'S J D ' with clarity - indeed not Prostration
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Quran 6842
"The Day the Calamity will be disclosed and they will be invited to the Honor/acknowledgement(SJD) but the disbelievers will not be able,"
The reason they can't acknowledge is they have realized it's too late and it is their destiny to get humiliated ... They acknowledge it or not all same...
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The above verse is indeed not talking about SHIN and exposing it but it is an idiom "When the Calamity is disclosed / fallen "...similarly the below verse is not refering to CHIN AND FALLING... it's an idiom too..
17107
"Say 'Believe in it(Quran), or believe not; those who were given the knowledge before it when it is recited to them, take it on to their chins in honor / acknowledgement (SJD).
Pls read 17108 for more clarity..
And let bring the next verse too for clarity...
17109"And they take it on to their chins weeping, and it (Qur'an)increases them in humility."
Here they don't fall physically on their chins when the Quran is recited.. But when Quran is recited as people who already have the knowledge of God's revelations in previous scriptures, they Embrace or rather with all difficulties accept in calmness the Quran revelation too.. That's the literal meaning of this idiom "take it on to their chins"...
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Salam,
Remember the Quran is in Arabic, not English.
It needs to be understood in its original meaning as the Arabs in the time of revelation. It only needs to make sense in Arabic to the Arabs, not in English to others.
Translating as "honor" or "acknowledge" are not proper, since there already is an Arabic word for "honor" and "acknowledge", and they're not from SJD. No word for them is derived from SJD.
Therefore, honor - acknowledge are improper.
Basic meaning of Ssujud from SJD means to be low or bent over. This is a physical act. To make it figurative, you need to provide linguistical Arabic support, not English.
Again, it only needs to be make sense in Arabic.
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Salam,
Remember the Quran is in Arabic, not English.
It needs to be understood in its original meaning as the Arabs in the time of revelation. It only needs to make sense in Arabic to the Arabs, not in English to others.
Translating as "honor" or "acknowledge" are not proper, since there already is an Arabic word for "honor" and "acknowledge", and they're not from SJD. No word for them is derived from SJD.
Therefore, honor - acknowledge are improper.
Basic meaning of Ssujud from SJD means to be low or bent over. This is a physical act. To make it figurative, you need to provide linguistical Arabic support, not English.
Again, it only needs to be make sense in Arabic.
Salam...
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3112 is refering to people of the book and their continued denial of the revelations of Allah but in next verse in 3113 Allah is talking about a different group among people of the book as under.
3113
"They were not the same; among the People of the Scripture a group mindful / steady / upright (Qa'ima), reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and they are acknowledging / Honoring."
And this group of the people of the book are not like the people of the book stated in 3111-112 but these are upright /mindful of the verses of Allah and they recite them and they ACKNOWLEDGE / HONOR and not DENY.. no prostration... I am afraid.. But it will take an uphill effort to get it unless I am sure people will be happy with prostration..
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Salam...
I am not here to convince or to compel anyone to take my understanding but presenting my understanding and that too within arabic language but with context and logicBut that goes against what you're saying. The physical is still being mentioned.
What you posted gives you the linguistical context and in what way SJD is used. And notice its in English translation and not the Arabic meaning. It's translating how the author understands it but the word is still SJD not honor or acknowledge.
The act of prostration implies that.
For you to claim it isn't physical, you have to show why based on linguistical evidence.
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But that goes against what you're saying. The physical is still being mentioned.
What you posted gives you the linguistical context and in what way SJD is used. And notice its in English translation and not the Arabic meaning. It's translating how the author understands it but the word is still SJD not honor or acknowledge.
The act of prostration implies that.
For you to claim it isn't physical, you have to show why based on linguistical evidence.
Quran is clear for me... For you your path.. No objection...
NO ACT OF PROSTRATION....as you say.. It's only your speculation to the word SJD like many million in this earth. .. No debate... I am not here to debate... I am uploading my take.. My practice... Make it or break it... No harm... Allah knows who is guided aright... Leave it Allah... You keep seeking guidance so do I.. Cuz we both believe in same God.... God willing He will mercy with guidance of truth...
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You are lying and intentionally changing the words of the Quran. Every verse you posted implies a physical prostration.
If you don't know Arabic, I highly suggest you take lessons before misrepresenting the Quran and misguiding people.
The Quran isn't an English coloring book you can play around with. It's an Arabic book that has been studied for over a thousand years.
Quran is clear for me... For you your path.. No objection...
NO ACT OF PROSTRATION....as you say.. It's only your speculation to the word SJD like many million in this earth. .. No debate... I am not here to debate... I am uploading my take.. My practice... Make it or break it... No harm... Allah knows who is guided aright... Leave it Allah... You keep seeking guidance so do I.. Cuz we both believe in same God.... God willing He will mercy with guidance of truth...
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You are lying and intentionally changing the words of the Quran. Every verse you posted implies a physical prostration.
If you don't know Arabic, I highly suggest you take lessons before misrepresenting the Quran and misguiding people.
The Quran isn't an English coloring book you can play around with. It's an Arabic book that has been studied for over a thousand years.
Your mentality is loud and clear... As long as I do not comply with you "I am a liar "...fine... If I am a liar I will definitely have the impression of it with my Lord cuz liar can only follow the path of Satan... So those who follow the path of Satan is astray far... If you are truthful, keeo doing what you are doing... Did I ask you to stop...
Arabic???? Well well... That's another arrogance amongst Arabs... Arrogance are well paid in this world itself... If arabic is a criteria for guidance then all Arabs should well and truly be guided aright... But God says "Guidance of Allah is THE guidance "... So Arabic won't guide... This Quran is not just a book to just understand but it's a book to seek guidance after reading it...
Anyway .no more comments to you.. Cuz I am a liar in your wide opened eyes on top of that your arrogance of Arabic knowledge .. So what's the point of talking to a liar and non Arab . Right.. Keep away... Pls.
I am uploading my understanding and practice to let people know my view... Perhaps people like me would share their similar thoughts.. -
Since I promised that I will in sha Allah bring all SJD verses, allow me to bring Adam and Iblees verses though you already know what it...
711-12
"And We have indeed created you, and given you shape, then We said to the Malika, "Acknowledge to Adam"; so they acknowledged, except Iblees. He was not of those who acknowledged."
Allah said, "What prevented you from ACKNOWLEDGING (SJD) when I commanded you?" said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
Indeed arrogance was the only reason which prevented in ACKNOWLEDGING the creation of Allah to the level of Malika.. Allah didn't create a CAT and asked Malika to acknowledge but Human who was given high respect by Allah... Let us keep the meaning as PROSTRATION and put it this way, When God asked knowingly from Iblees "what prevented you from
PROSTRATING PHYSICALLY to Adam, Iblees could have said instead of what Iblees said in this way... "Why should I PROSTRATE to Adam who is a human made of clay while you are My Lord worthy of All praise and PROSTRATION"
Well that's not the case here.. Story is different... What they were commanded was to merely ACKNOWLEDGE / SJD... but refused by Iblees cuz Adam was lowly in his opinion ... He seemed creation of fire is higher than clay.. But God had other ideas..
Reflect... I am not here to compel...
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"when Yousuf said to his father, "O my father, indeed I have seen eleven stars and the sun and the moon. I saw them to me Honoring/acknowledging ."12100
"And he raised his parents upon the throne, and they paid/showed honor /acknowledgement (SJD) to him. And he said, "O my father, this is the explanation of my vision of before. ....."
The above two verses are very familiar to everyone but not in this translations.. Do you remember Yaqub, the father of Yousuf said that not to disclose his dream to his brothers.. You know why.. Yes.. The reason is HONOR in dream and the brothers already was fed up of HONOR cuz they considered their father showed all the respect to Yousuf alone...
Here what Yousuf saw was not PROSTRATION physically by Stars and the Sun and the Moon but what he saw is indeed they (SJD) / HONOR /acknowledge Him...
That's what in the end resulted... Yousuf was separated for ages and once He became literally and possibly a King they were united so his parents and brothers HONORED him thus acknowledged him after long lapse.. -
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"Indeed, those who are in the presence of your Lord do not disdain from serving (Ibada) Him, and they glorify Him, and to Him they ACKNOWLEDGE / HONOR (SJD)."
Now let's convert it to traditional translation the end of the verse and reflect..
"And to Him they PROSTRATE "
Now question is if the Malaika and whoever near to Allah are PROSTRATING Him alone then why Allah commanded them to PROSTRATE to Adam.. Total contradiction...
In reality no contradiction... What they SJD is acknowledge /Honor God in the manner He deserve with their intent like we acknowledge God in life.. But what was commanded in the case of Adam was to acknowlwdge /Honor him not in the manner as God but acknowlwdge with due honor.. But if the word Is PHYSICAL PROSTRATION then only ONE WAY.. got me? Remember and compare now God said DO NOT (SJD) honor /acknowlwdge to the Sun or the Moon...if one can prostrate to Allah and Adam then why NOT prostrate to the Sun.. The reason is word SJD is just acknowledge / honor but with what intent you do depends but if PROSTRATION physically it depicts one object ie WORSHIPING.. no way.. It won't make sense. If you can PROSTRATE to everyone and everything regardless who they are then PROSTRATION to God would make a piece of joke. -
I researched a lot on how SUN WORSHIPING is performed and in what posture etc in various cultures be ut Ancient Egyptian or Indo or Mayan or Babylonians etc and strangely non of them give any priority to a physical posture which is identical to Muslim Prayer posture commonly called Sujud /Prosstration...
So, what I realized is God states do not SJD can never mean a physical posture but the HONOR / ACKNOWLEDGEMENT to the Sun... Mainly sacrifices are ritually performed in Sun worshipping along with certain ritual postures looking at the Sun... -
I researched a lot on how SUN WORSHIPING is performed and in what posture etc in various cultures be ut Ancient Egyptian or Indo or Mayan or Babylonians etc and strangely non of them give any priority to a physical posture which is identical to Muslim Prayer posture commonly called Sujud /Prosstration...
So, what I realized is God states do not SJD can never mean a physical posture but the HONOR / ACKNOWLEDGEMENT to the Sun... Mainly sacrifices are ritually performed in Sun worshipping along with certain ritual postures looking at the Sun...2724
"I found her and her people acknowledging / Honoring (SJD) to the sun instead of Allah , and Satan has made their deeds pleasing to them and averted them from the Path, so they will not be guided"Just to clarify... To acknowledge something one should do something to make it a viable, true acknowledgement like Honor or respect or dignify or incline or submit or else they should have been commanded to acknowledge something or else they should self realize certain things or else it should come to them as heritage from ancestors so they literally ACKNOWLEDGE anything..
So the sun worshipping is an anceint ritualistic faith ACKNOWLEDGING the Sun as god... And their rituals could vary place to places in many ways... God here not mentioned that they PROSTRATE physically to The Sun but clearly said SJD /Acknowledge / honor the Sun and of course as god.. Needles for God to say what they do in their rituals.. For example even Ibrahim also was confused at certain point assuming that the Sun was his god but wisely he didn't ACKNOWLEDGE (SJD) to it..
Nabi Sulaiman's bird didn't find them PROSTRATING to the Sun but instead it found they had Acknowledged the Sun as god leaving Allah...once their Lord is the Sun whatever the nonsensical rituals they do is irrelevant ... -
1315
"And to Allah Acknowledge / Honor whoever is in the heavens and the earth, intentionally or by compulsion,........"
This is a very interesting statement... Needless to say that most on Earth as human DO NOT PROSTRATE to Allah... But what exactly Allah confirms here while reality is other way around.. No... Alah is right in His above statement... Reason is everyone HONOR / ACKNOWLEDGE (SJD) to Allah but by compulsion...How? What is Honoring Allah here? For example if someone admire the beauty of mountains whole heartedly then indeed he or she is HONORING thus acknowledging Allah and His creations... But in vain is their HONORING cuz they disbelive in Allah.. The reason Allah used two specific words at the end of the statement INTENTIONALLY and UNINTENTIONALLY..... People do honor God's creations regardless of their faith thus indeed acknowlwdge God... No prostration.. Never...
Now compare God's above statement with the below statement..
383
"So is it other than the Direction (Deen) of Allah they desire, while to Him have surrendered (Aslama) those in the heavens and earth, intentionally or by compulsion, ..... "It's no SJD verse but same statement using another word ASLAM / surrender or submit.. What indeed surrender or submit ? Needless to explain to you all.. But does everyone in the heavens and earth surrender/submit to Allah intentionally or unintentionally? Believers surrender/submit intentionally but those who deny Allah surrender /submit unintentionally... Everything is God's creations.. So anyone who love and yeild to any of God's creations is indeed surrendering to Allah but unintentionally... If someone dreaming of living a beautiful life in Earth then indeed he submit to Allah but he doesn't believe in God.. ACTIONS may reflect their surrender /submission to Allah but not with INTENT.. Life itself a submission.. Caring parents or looking after children all submission to Allah.. Or give charity to poor etc.. But they don't believe Allah.. They didn't surrender /submit to Allah with INTENT save their actions.. so in vain.. Read the verse carefully 383 ... They don't like the Deen/Direction of Allah but they all Somehow submit /surrender (Aslama) to Allah..
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4829
"Muhammad is A Messenger of Allah, and those with him are intense over the disbelievers, amicable among themselves. You observe them humbly acknowledging/honoring (SJD), seeking grace / preference from Allah and pleasure. Their characteristics (Seema) are on their countenances / expressions (wajha) from the effects (Azthar) of HONORING /ACKNOWLEDGING (SJD) . ......"
The above verse is quite famous amongst conventional Muslims as well to come to a resolute conclusion that Sujud is physical.. But indeed No.. SJD is not PROSTRATION... Allah elaborates the life style of Mohamed (messenger of Allah) and his believing companions.. They were very intense but they have quality of being amicable as well. And they had quality of humility thus HONORING God.. Why? Yes they seek Grace / Preference of Allah and thus His pleasure.. Indeed a believer can gain by humbling and HONORING the God, the grace and pleasure of Allah.. That's how they were.. Cuz of this they were different. Their appearance/behaviour all ... How..? They had characteristics visible in their complete expressions as a result of constant effects of truly ACKNOWLEDGING / HONORING Allah... Easy to recognise them as true believers by looking at them cuz their every action resonates it... Simply in a nutshell TRUTHFUL people.. Yeah.. Like you can easily recognise hypocrites when you are with them mingling in life... Actions speak louder...
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399
" Is one who is subservient, in periods of the night, acknowledging / honoring, and mindful (Qaima) of safeguarding the Hereafter and he is hoping for the mercy of his Lord. Say, "Are those who know equal to those who do not know?" people who are reflecting only will remember."This is a very straight forward verse but traditional translations easily manipulated either knowingly or with misguidance prostrating and standing..
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3872
"So when I have proportioned him (Adam) and breathed into him of My soul (Ruh) then it is incumbent (Faqa'uu) to him acknowledging /honoring."Traditionally here it is translated Stating "Fall down to him prostrating " as a command... No... We know God commanded Malika to SJD / acknowledge to Adam..thats obvious.. but in this verse God explains Himself how he created and then breathed from His Ruh and once Adam became a living being God confirms he deserved to be ACKNOWLEDGED / HONORED... word used is Faqauu/incumbent .. So in next verse 3873 Allah doesn't talk about usual COMMAND to Malika to SJD.. But Allah says they acknowledged..
How differently God describes His verses... Then Iblees became DENIER /kafir... Cuz Iblees didn't acknowledge God's creation for which it is incumbent in the first place... Secondly indeed God commanded too to acknowledge and refused as well.. -
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"So extended / drew in (Fa'ulkiya) the magicians in acknowledgement"The above almost everyone translated the Fa'ulqya to FALLEN... NO..word itself has nothing to do with FALLEN... but the meaning indeed EXTENDED... Literally on that day it was a competition between Musa and Magicians and once they performed their best magic and it was disintegrated by Musa's real Sign.. So these magicians REALIZED it that is TRUTH.. this realisation is ACKNOWLEDGEMENT here. But once they acknowledged within themselves they began to talk verbally... What they said.. Read next verses... Indeed they said They believe in Allah... Even King pharou immediately replied "Did you believe " and the King pharou didn't say "Did you PROSTRATE" cuz their acknowledgement (SJD) was a personal realisation / acceptance ..
Word ulkya has meaning of receive, throw, extend, draw place etc.. But not Fall..Note.. Now one question.. Okay Fa'ulkya is not FALLEN, but in another verse Kharra is used and Kharra meaning of FALLEN.. yes Kharra has meaning of physical falling too.. But it is a phrase clearly.. Read my kharra reply my list of verses above... Kharr is simply mean "to concur with " or " to harmonise with" as well phrase fall in..
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1958
"Those are they, Allah bestowed favor from among the prophets of the descendants of Adam and of those We carried with Nuh, and of the descendants of Ibraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses/revelations of Ar'Rahman were recited to them, they concurred with / harmonized with (Kharru) acknowledgement (SJD) and weeping."Take the example of above verse with word Kharru and SJD.. Here every previous Nabbi indeed when the revelations were recited they were not arrogant they harmonized with acknowledgement and made them weep... They didn't fall physically in prostration whenever verses were recited to them every time .. Nonsensical.. Cuz revelation /verses are full of truth, knowledge and wisdom and reminders and hearing them, they could not resist and they concurred with their minds and thus acknowledged and it made them weep.. It happens with any true believer when we read ourselves or recited to us. It happens with me too.. Heart cringes in servile manner..