'S J D ' with clarity - indeed not Prostration

Fusion

Permit me to express my respectful dissent. In echoing your frequent counsel to others, I must highlight that while your perception of truth is valid, it should not be construed as the sole accurate interpretation, excluding all alternative viewpoints. Truth transcends individual comprehension, serving as a unifying principle for a nation, a community, rather than being confined to personal interpretations.

I'd like to offer a different viewpoint on the role and significance of physical acts of worship, such as sujud, within Islam, grounded in Quranic teachings.

Firstly, it's crucial to acknowledge that while Allah indeed does not need our worship, He has prescribed specific forms of worship, including physical acts, for our spiritual growth and to establish a direct connection with Him. These acts are not merely rituals but deeply symbolic, serving as reminders of our submission to Allah's will and our humility.

The Quran also describes sujud as a universal act of submission practiced by all of Allah's creation. Surah Al-Isra (1744) tells us, "The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts by His praise, but you do not understand their exalting." This verse suggests that prostration (sujud) is a natural state of existence in the universe, signifying submission to Allah's will.

The act of choosing to perform physical worship like sujud is a manifestation of our free will in submission to Allah, not a practice influenced by Satan.

While the essence of 'Ibada' encompasses a broad spectrum of worshipful living beyond mere rituals, the Quranic guidance on physical acts of worship like sujud points to their integral role in expressing our submission and humility before Allah

The Quran was revealed in Arabic, a language known for its precision and clarity, especially in matters of faith and worship. The terms sujud and ruku have specific meanings in Arabic, referring to physical acts of prostration and bowing, respectively. This linguistic precision is important because the Quran is meant to be a clear guide for all aspects of a Muslim's life, including worship.

The Quran contains verses that explicitly mention the physical aspects of worship. For example, Surah Al-Baqarah (243) commands, "And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow ." The phrase "bow with those who bow" clearly indicates a communal and physical act of worship, understood by contemporaries of the Prophet and by scholars as referring to the physical act of ruku in prayer. Otherwise one could also take Zakah as some emotional form rather than a physical act and it is rightly placed in this verse.

The early believers, residing in the heartlands of Arabia during the Quran's revelation, would have naturally interpreted sujud (prostration) and ruku (bowing) in their direct, literal sense. These terms, deeply rooted in the Arabic lexicon, conveyed clear, actionable forms of worship. It's noteworthy that we lack historical documentation suggesting that the early Muslim community ever embraced a metaphorical interpretation of these acts of worship.

I acknowledge that within our vast and diverse ummah, there may be varying perspectives, including yours, that see these terms through a metaphorical lens. If there are scholarly interpretations or references that align with this viewpoint, I am keen to explore them, as they enrich our collective understanding of our faith.

However, it prompts a reflective question if such metaphorical interpretations existed among any segments of the early Muslim community, wouldn't there be some record or scholarly discourse reflecting this? Islam, as a religion, places immense value on the concept of ummah (community), advocating for a unified approach to understanding and practicing its teachings. The consistent practice of salah (prayer), incorporating sujud and ruku, across various Muslim communities through the ages, highlights a communal consensus on these practices as fundamental to our worship.

This consensus is not merely about ritual uniformity; it represents the unity and shared understanding that binds the Muslim ummah together. Such unity in practice and belief has been pivotal in preserving the integrity and identity of our faith across generations and geographies.

In sharing these thoughts, my aim is to underscore the significance of our collective heritage and understanding as Muslims. While Islam indeed encourages personal reflection on the Quran, it also guides us towards a communal harmony in our core practices and beliefs, fostering a sense of belonging and unity within our diverse global community.

So.. Sujud is human invention with the influence of Satan in order to divert people to rituals away from path of Allah.. Physical prostration or kneeling is such an anceint practice to respect their respective deities fear of harming them and similarly done to anceint Kings and Lords and Rich communities or even their Masters everywhere in fear and True God is not in need of any such physical movement from men and jinn but all He commanded is to follow His path thus serving Him alone for our own benefit ... Cuz note well.. He didn't create all this in vain... Allah has purpose of creation and we should have purpose of life..

jkhan

Well... I don't blame you at all for whatever you have written in your comprehension which you feel comfortable with .. Cuz I know you have not reached there where I have probably entered.. Not boasting myself but that's how I feel with guidance of Allah ... Because I was there in your stance a couple of years ago while still following Quran alone.. So.. Guidance should reach you then only you will ever be able to perceive what I have been trying to herald people... Don't forget that I am not throwing hadiths but I am heralding the message of Allah but in my understanding not any group's understanding or majority's understanding.. .. What went wrong or why the guidance still not reached out to you is cuz you didn't depend on Allah's guidance out and out and that's manifest by what you have worded with your replies.. ..

"The Quran contains verses that explicitly mention the physical aspects of worship. For example, Surah Al-Baqarah (243) commands, "And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow ." The phrase "bow with those who bow" clearly indicates a communal and physical act of worship"

The above is part of your statement by which you attempt to substantiate your claim..

Well.. Your inability and prejudice nature to what you already knew through society is still sticking with you. And you have not researched on your own and not welcomed guidance of Allah.. That's why you say so what you have said... Still no harm.. Cuz I'm patient with fellow believers..
Let me explain briefly 243..
"Establish Integrity / Connection (salah) and bringforth purification (Zakat) and abide by (Arka'au) with the abiding (people) "

Read from241-43 for better clarity..
Here verse clearly states to have connection / integrity of course with Allah.. What's this connection with Allah is..? It is leaving everything to Allah and fully occupy ourself our heart to Allah thus deep connection is cultivated .. Once you have that connection (salah) to Allah you start to purify yourself cuz your connection is with Allah not with falsehood.. Every time you gonna wrong this connection evade you from wronging ... Only those who have this connection / integrity aware how it helps to keep away evils.. So when evils are kept at bay your souls get purified..
And the verse further says abide by / with humilty (arka'au) cuz Allah has set laws which one need to abide by with it.. There are believers already abiding by them.. So be one of those ie abide by with the abiding ones..
It's not conventional salah and ZAKAT and Ruku.. What correlation to put all these in this order.. I mean ritual salah then obligatory charity / ZAKAT then Ruku.. Ruku is part of salah.. Nonsensical..

Take example of 343 similar verse to get a better comparison in which SJD comes first and then Ruku.. Is that salah order? That's not order of Salat..
343
"O Maryam! be obedient to your Lord and acknowledge (SJD) and abide by (Arka'au) with the abiding ones "

It's not salah and this order Allah can say in any order... " Abide by with the abiding ones and acknowledge " no issue at all..

So this is the truth which Allah has guided me with.. Yes.. It's not within your reach Perhaps so far.. So No grudges.. Seek guidance from Allah alone.. Let it come from Any mode but Allah alone..

I have no issues with people who do physical prostration but in vain for sure... And it can never be truth and guidance of Allah... Yes I don't want to convince anyone but guidance will reach who deserve for sure sooner than late...

Fusion

I appreciate your perspective and the conviction with which you hold your beliefs, guided by Allah. It's important for all of us to share our insights and understandings with humility and respect towards each other's journeys and stages of spiritual growth. Asserting that one has reached a level of enlightenment or guidance that others have not can come across as boastful or arrogant, even if that's not the intention. It's crucial to remember that the essence of spreading the message of God is rooted in humility and grace. The effectiveness of conveying God's message, especially outside of traditional settings, relies heavily on how we present ourselves and our beliefs. If those who spread the word of God were to do so with arrogance, it could hinder the very message they wish to propagate. Just as you mentioned, it's about seeking guidance from Allah alone, and part of that guidance is understanding the importance of humility. Let's aim to share our beliefs in a way that reflects the elegance and compassion that the message of Allah embodies, rather than through ego. This approach not only honors our faith but also opens hearts and minds to the beauty of its teachings.

Well... I don't blame you at all for whatever you have written in your comprehension which you feel comfortable with .. Cuz I know you have not reached there where I have probably entered.. Not boasting myself but that's how I feel with guidance of Allah ...

So this is the truth which Allah has guided me with.. Yes.. It's not within your reach Perhaps so far.. So No grudges.. Seek guidance from Allah alone.. Let it come from Any mode but Allah alone..

I have no issues with people who do physical prostration but in vain for sure... And it can never be truth and guidance of Allah... Yes I don't want to convince anyone but guidance will reach who deserve for sure sooner than late...

jkhan

When I was reading the verses of Musa talking to Allah directly I was expecting Musa to be in physical prostration posture.. But no..
Musa was freely talking to His Lord.. And seems standing and communicating towards where sound echoes.. That's why Allah asked what's in your right hand Musa ? And it indicates most probably Musa was standing with a staff in the right hand and was listening and communicating to Allah. .
No way near any sujud word... And it is an ideal time to be in physical prostration cuz Allah was communicating and hearing His sound directly so what could be better time than that for a human to be in physical posture of prostration.. But No.. Allah doesn't need of it..

jkhan

https//lampofislam.wordpress.com/2021/03/21/why-sujud-is-not-physical-prostration/

Someone shared this article with me and astonishingly he or she is indeed not different to what I always thought... I am glad I came to know that there are people who reflect within Quran and giving all the respect it deserves..
BTW.. I don't compel anyone here to accept but reflect and leave the guidance to Allah.. I know most of those who follow Quran alone do accept that SUJUD means physical... I don't blame them.. Honestly a friend of mine whom I consider as my best buddy keep reiterating to me as "just keep your damn head on the floor and worship your Lord and don't be arrogant "...Well..i am sorry my friend..i am not gonna do it.. Never.. Cuz I know what Allah has written in His book.. Guidance of Allah is the guidance..

Thank you..

jkhan

Salam...
Still I am insisting with Quran verses in order that QURAN verses may give you perfect meaning... I already explained these two verses but would like to bring both together to reflect...

BELIEVERS "when the Quran is recited to them they SJD"

DISBELIEVERS "when the Quran is recited to them they don't SJD"

So, what makes you think and decide that SJD = physical prostration....? Does that really make sense for you... Remember folks these are actual statements from Allah... BELIEVER SJD and DISBELIEVER doeant SJD.. when? Yes when Quran is recited to them... Reflect people and raise your objections pr support what you do buy with Quran... Let Quran prevail.. And not our views..

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Salam..

Keep reminding you... Hope Allah guide all true believers..

Reflect brothers and sisters..
Did Allah really mean to say when Quran is recited to them, they DID NOT PHYSICALLY PROSTRATE?
Imagine... When you converse or have a chat with a disbelieving frind of yours, do you want them to physically prostrate when you read out verses of Quran to them or you mind wants them to believe in God and thus acknowledge God's revelation?
Reality is so different...
Allah is not begging from them physical prostration to Him.. Allah wants them to follow right path so that they be saved from humiliation of hereafter... That's why Allah says when the Quran is recited they not Sujud acknowledge knowing the impact of their rejection..

Believer SUJUD while disbeliever NOT SUJUD has a whopping proof to grasp the meaning of SUJUD... try to sort it out..

jkhan

It is very much within your comprehension that 'Path of Allah' is not equal to any path even the intention is to serve the same Lord with the 'Path/s' that they have invented.
If human can fabricate path/s to reach the Lord and Allah doesn't mind of them being invented then there is no need of 'Path of Allah' while INTENTION of people is to serve Him alone. Any path other than path of Allah is but of SATAN'S and with the path of Satan no one can possibly ever serve Allah Alone..

The actual reason I clarified a fundamental aspect as stated above is to shed some light whether 'physical SUJUD' is path of Allah or not..

Without any element of doubt, the word SUJUD has lot to do with Allah's path when applied in context. So this word cannot be taken for granted..

Who propelled the word SUJUD to be a posture which is PHYSICAL PROSTRATION and when and why? Are we continuing to do a thing from a community who invented this physical posture with a stern conviction of certainity that it is command of Allah. In that case would it be path of Allah? Well! Path of Allah means everything according to what Allah revealed and meant and not any other assumptions.. Our own speculations and our rituals cannot become literally part and parcel of 'Path of Allah ' simply given the fact it was practiced by our ancestors and we inherited it.

Path of Allah is to be sought from Allah alone and not to be learned from our ancestors..

Does any of the verses in Quran clarifies to us that SUJUD means physical prostration in a particular manner which is practiced specifically by conventional Muslims? If Quran doesn't clarifies that very posture in detail, then it is not Path of Allah save invention..

One can furnish his thoughts stating that what is the big deal if one prostrates physically to Allah even if the meaning of Sujud does not tally physically prostrating? Well.. If the meaning of a word is not grasped in its true sense, there is a huge possibility of confusing entire meaning of Quran's concept.. Taking the verses where Sujud does appear as physical prostration leads to astray from the real meaning which Allah has revealed and that's why seeking to approach to exact same message of Allah is pivotal in order that we don't deviate from the essence of original message of the Book..

I know, it is quite painstakingly hefty to leave certain practices which we embraced for ages considering those were real commands of Allah. But in light of true guidance one should have that natural instinct as a believer to leave behind falsehood. Allah's way of testing us is so strange and intrigue at times by leaving us in darkness for over considerable number of years then gradually bringing closer to His light but most of us are not willing to accept Allah's guidance and prefer the darkness they were / are in. Remember, we are not born with guidance but we are to seek guidance and leave falsehood when Allah opens your path towards it.. Arrogance won't help us at all. We as human has a knack of adamance on most of our transformation period.. And that turns out to arrogance thus sticking to what we are used with and feels satisfied in that comfort zone and ever ready to desperately negate all truths gradually emiting. May Allah save us from that attitude.. As Allah clearly says, they rejected once it was clear to them. That's pretty dangerous..

So.. I humbly request, read and explore and compare with all possible logic that you can apply and find out what exactly SUJUD means in Quran for your own sake. Allah willing, you may get to know the truth of verses of Allah...

good_logic

Brother jkhan.
Take a break, relax and let me share some light hearted story about my sister and some brother and sister beauties.

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You should have seen the look on her face as I drove pasta.

I call my helpful sister, Assister.

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So I took off her shirt.
Then she said, “Take off my skirt.”
I took off her skirt.
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Psycho-sis.

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Bro coli.

What do you call a sister of what I am writing here?
Nun-sense!

You know good logic sometimes loses the plot and goes off topic.
Apologies. Ignore.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

671 "..... Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the guidance; ....."

2856 " Indeed, you(singular) do not guide whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He is most knowing of the guided ones."

6153 "And, this is MY PATH, which is STRAIGHT, so follow IT; and do not follow PATHS for you will be separated from His PATH. This has He instructed you that you may become concious."

3927 "And whoever Allah guides. for him there cannot be a MISLEADER.....'

Salam... I presented above verses after meticulously given thoughts into them.. Read at least few times these four verses and reflect a lot as fellow believers.. One thing is assured, no one can come between you and your guidance if you are guided by Allah save Satan if you choose instead of Path of Allah .. Now we all love to achieve our ultimate goal which is pleasant to hear.. But are we really allowing our self to be guided by Allah. Or are we adament?

Now, why I am reiterating these... I was having a conversation with my lovely fellow believer brother Kaltun last night.. He was keep asking me How do you know that I am on right path, so don't spread misguidance.. That's his advice gently and amicably..

Well.. An honest believer who seek nothing but guidance of Allah alone knows his own self and how he has developed his character from stage to stage.. True believer knows that.. True believer's intention never to herald a message to others in order to send others astray or to show his knowledge and boast.. Waste.. .. It's a very crucial matter.. As a person and a believer and as a student of this glorious Quran I know my limits and knowledge in it and most of all my intention when I herald a message within understanding.. It's our duty.. yes.. We can live without heralding any message of Allah to anyone and just live and die..Cuz QURAN is already there in Arabic and translations too... So why bother.. No harm most probably... but Allah wants believers to herald message of Allah Cuz we learn them and we spend loads of time in them and we seek guidance from it.. Look below..
16125 "Invite to the PATH of your Lord with WISDOM and good instruction, and ARGUE with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His PATH, and He is most knowing of who is guided ones."

Well.. While one does with good intention he may encounter various objections in ignorant ways mostly as well from others who differ and those who intent to seek knowledge truly...

So whoever take this challenge be prepared to do so with immaculate purpose...
My advice is when a person who claims he follows ALLAH'S PATH alone and have difference in opinion to the other , just question him or her not to turn him to your own understanding but to get some light whether he is the guided one or he is confused.. Perhaps you will realize he is either guided and speaking the truth or misguided if you apply your QURANs knowledge and guidance of Allah.. Use such people as check point for your own understanding.. Thus a True believer can enhance his or her understanding and have a good grip of Allah's guidance..
If you are not aware that you are following Allah's guidance alone then you seriously need to reflect and approach Allah with all begging it requires. Instead taking a moderate stance won't rectify it.. Path of Satan is ever welcoming you with all attractions.. ..
Always question a person who is different to you pertaining to a same subject cuz Allah's path is One and it has no ambiguity.. For instance.. SIJUD for me within Quran is NOT PHYSICAL and am I not different to you? If you think I am disbeliever. Leave me in my strayed path, but if you think otherwise, then Question me to the depth.. hail

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612311.10

Note.. If you read Quran 37 you will realize it has a strong message.. But how you understand 37 ID key.. I have given my translation based on my understanding... If interested you at read it.. So Quran verses are two type.. One is obvious and the other needs research and comparison within Quran to grasp it..

Mazhar

Many have disease of seeing things in form which they are not in reality. It is issue of psychology. In semantics also some people have this problem with words.

Upshot

خَٟشِعَةً أَبْصَٟرُهُـمْ تَرْهَقُهُـمْ ذِلَّةٚۖ

With their visions dazed/downcast and humiliation overwhelmed them —

ان لوگوں کی بصارتیں نگوں، عاجزی اور انکساری کے احساس سے لبریز ہوں گی۔ذلت ان کے چہروں پر چھائی ہو گی۔

وَقَدْ كَانُوا۟ يُدْعَوْنَ إِلَـى ٱلسُّجُودِ وَهُـمْ سَٟلِمُونَ .٤٣

And indeed they used to be called towards prostrations while they were in sound free state.

اور انہیں حیات دنیا میں بھی سجدے کے لئے بلایا جاتا تھا جب وہ صحیح سالم آزاد تھے(مگر نہیں کرتے تھے)۔

jkhan

Many have disease of seeing things in form which they are not in reality. It is issue of psychology. In semantics also some people have this problem with words.

Upshot

خَٟشِعَةً أَبْصَٟرُهُـمْ تَرْهَقُهُـمْ ذِلَّةٚۖ

With their visions dazed/downcast and humiliation overwhelmed them —

ان لوگوں کی بصارتیں نگوں، عاجزی اور انکساری کے احساس سے لبریز ہوں گی۔ذلت ان کے چہروں پر چھائی ہو گی۔

وَقَدْ كَانُوا۟ يُدْعَوْنَ إِلَـى ٱلسُّجُودِ وَهُـمْ سَٟلِمُونَ .٤٣

And indeed they used to be called towards prostrations while they were in sound free state.

اور انہیں حیات دنیا میں بھی سجدے کے لئے بلایا جاتا تھا جب وہ صحیح سالم آزاد تھے(مگر نہیں کرتے تھے)۔

I have no idea who you addressed, but still just for your info, this verse I have discussed in reply #7

"The Day the Calamity will be disclosed and they will be invited to the Honor/acknowledgement(SJD) but the disbelievers will not be able,"

No one invite anyone to come and physically prostrate... All believers invite others to ACKNOWLEDGE / COMPLY to the revelation of Allah but they keep DENYIMG while they can reflect on their own... But here the calamity ie their fate is already deduced and whoever invite them as gesture it is fruitless simply cuz they are seeing the consequences of their denial infront of their eyes and not in their sound thoughts save thinking of what they denied in the past...

They never submitted / Aslam neither they acknowledged / Sujud Allah as He deserved ...
It's very clear they DENIED not to physically prostrate but to acknowledge Allah's revelations and act upon it.. They were sound not stupids but duped with their own choice...

Mazhar

وَقَدْ كَانُوا۟ يُدْعَوْنَ إِلَـى ٱلسُّجُودِ وَهُـمْ سَٟلِمُونَ .٤٣

It is about their past history.
وَهُـمْ سَٟلِمُونَ It is circumstantial clause.

Acknowledge is stative; while ٱلسُّجُودِ is dynamic.

يَوْمَ يُكْشَفُ عَن سَاقٛ وَيُدْعَوْنَ إِلَـى ٱلسُّجُودِ

The Day the shin is rendered distanced from shin And they will be called to the prostrations —

وہ دن آئے گا جب پنڈلی کوپنڈلی سے فاصلے پر کر دیا جائے گا(لوہے کی سلاخیں درمیان میں لگانے سے)اور انہیں سجدے کے لئے بلایا جائے گا۔

فَلَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ .٤٢

Thereat-for reason they will not be able to make it possible for their selves to prostrate.

مگر گردن میں طوق اور ٹانگوں کے مابین سلاخیں ہونے کی وجہ وہ سجدہ کرنے کے قابل نہیں ہوں گے۔

Fusion

I have been thinking about this thread talk on what "sujood" means in the Quran. It is an interesting to see different views. Jkhan says "sujood" means following what Allah tells us in the Quran, not the action of bowing down. Mazhar believes it's about the physical act of bowing down, like when we pray.

Both of you have good points. But let's remember, whether it's bowing down or following Allah's words, both ways show our love and respect for Allah. It's like two sides of the same coin. Bowing down is a way to show humility and respect physically. Following Allah's guidance in our daily lives shows respect and love in our hearts and actions.

The main thing is, both ways are about listening to Allah and trying our best to do as He asks. That's what brings us together and what's most important.

Let's appreciate our different views.

Mazhar

I have been thinking about this thread talk on what "sujood" means in the Quran. It is an interesting to see different views. Jkhan says "sujood" means following what Allah tells us in the Quran, not the action of bowing down. Mazhar believes it's about the physical act of bowing down, like when we pray.

Both of you have good points. But let's remember, whether it's bowing down or following Allah's words, both ways show our love and respect for Allah. It's like two sides of the same coin. Bowing down is a way to show humility and respect physically. Following Allah's guidance in our daily lives shows respect and love in our hearts and actions.

The main thing is, both ways are about listening to Allah and trying our best to do as He asks. That's what brings us together and what's most important.

Let's appreciate our different views.

Arabic language has explicit concepts. Its words are explicit.

The basic perception infolded and signification conveyed by this Root, in the words of Ibne Faris , and others is as under

(سجد) السين والجيم والدال أصلٌ واحدٌ مطّرد يدلّ على تطامُن وذلّ. يقال سجد، إذا تطَامَنَ. وكلُّ ما ذلَّ فقد سجد. قال أبو عمرو أسْجَدَ الرَّجُل، إذا طأطأَ رأسَهُ

سجد (الصّحّاح في اللغة)
سَجَدَ خضع

أَسْجَدَ الرَجُلُ طَأْطَأَ رَأْسَهُ وانْحَنى

ومنه سُجودُ الصلاة، وهو وضع الجَبْهة على الأَرْضِ

Semantic components

Basic initial meanings Feel of reverence and its expression through physical gesture-body language-lowering of head in state chin moving towards chest and gaze going down. It is a relational word-a relationship between the Reverent and the Revered. Reverent and the Revered could be any object or person.
Advanced meanings in the changed relational field when the Revered is the Only One-The Absolute-The Only Independent-The Self Subsisting-The Creator-The Supreme Exalted-Sovereign Sustainer Lord of the Universes, and the Reverent are all objects and living-all that exists in the created realm. Here the meanings, while retaining the basic perception, advance into its extreme limits-Prostration.
Sublime and sincere Prostration of human beings-Bowing and curving to lay the forehead on the Earth denoting absolute surrender and sublime adoration.
Laying of Forehead on ground relays non-verbal signal of surrender of granted Freedom and Will of decision and self governing to the Sustainer Lord.
The Laying of Forehead on ground yields bridging the distance to get nearer to the Sustainer Lord.

Acknowledgement falls under category of feeling. Prostration is its expression.

jkhan

I have been thinking about this thread talk on what "sujood" means in the Quran. It is an interesting to see different views. Jkhan says "sujood" means following what Allah tells us in the Quran, not the action of bowing down. Mazhar believes it's about the physical act of bowing down, like when we pray.

Both of you have good points. But let's remember, whether it's bowing down or following Allah's words, both ways show our love and respect for Allah. It's like two sides of the same coin. Bowing down is a way to show humility and respect physically. Following Allah's guidance in our daily lives shows respect and love in our hearts and actions.

The main thing is, both ways are about listening to Allah and trying our best to do as He asks. That's what brings us together and what's most important.

Let's appreciate our different views.

It's obvious, you have not comprehended what I have written nor what SUJUD is in Quran and it is obvious SUJUD is physical for you but you are trying to be in between just in your confusion.. .. I have no issues whatever you do with Quran... Your actions are recorded and you are accountable .. But let me be clear to what you have written.. There is no two meaning to one word in one sentence in one place at a time.. And Allah has meant a meaning and look for it and it is our duty if we seek guidance... Guidance is not gonna reach us without our interest and our honesty towards it..
There is no BOTH here as you are trying to be in no man's land.. Remember.. I have no issues in your path and it is your life.. But I am explaining what Quran says.. Cuz you are not saying what Quran states cuz you say both (physically prostrating and Compliance) are good and both are right.. Impossible.. Allahs path is ONE.. We can't force a meaning to Allah's verses just thinking it is good since people are practicing and if we do so it will collapse whole concept of Quran .. ..
And I have brought almost all verses of SJD and explained what it means... So in case if you point any verses and claim it is physical I would probably address your concern but you have stated nothing from Quran but you are breaking the bread into two and share it... That's not me in my research of Quran... Look for truth and be firm on it and keep researching until certainity reaches to heart...
Again I reiterate.. I have nothing to do on what you do with the word of SJD in your life that's personal to you but word SJD is not personal but if there is a debate I will engage until I get clarity from the one who is in opposition.. Cuz truth is one..

SJD is acknowledge / comply in entire Quran and it is simple word for any acknowledgement but with context it can become a hefty word..

... Pls next time bring your evidence and comprehensive research to substantiate your own point on the word SJD and not your allegiance to everything OR to appreciate ... It won't help at all.. Don't try to be a father in the church.. Your appreciation won't become the meaning of the word. Bring verses and speak what it means... That's debate.. That's worthy.. Note.. There is difference in opinion in life and in many subjects but Allah's Quran is not subjected to opinions but it's straight path and cannot blend differences... Seek that guidance from Allah.. Now.. One who is arrogant would say.. So are you right and we are wrong? That's the puzzle you need to solve if you are seeking guidance.. Check whether you are on right track.. doesn't Allah know who on right track is..
Don't feel bad on what I have written buy take the postie aspects..

@ Mazhar...
Unfortunately it's not Shin... It's all about "Calamity is disclosed "

Fusion

Thank you, Jkhan, for your detailed insights and explanation regarding "sujood" in the Quran. I appreciate the depth of your understanding and the importance you place on grounding our discussions in Quranic evidence and thorough scholarship. My intention in exploring the concept of "sujood" was to highlight the various dimensions of submission to Allah, both in physical form and spiritual obedience.
Your emphasis on a singular interpretation based on comprehensive study reminds us of our collective pursuit of knowledge and guidance.

jkhan

8420-21 "So what is with them they do NOT BELIEVE,
And when the Qur'an is read to them, they do not SUJUD?"

What does this verse state?

I do repeat a verse which I already brought in this topic.. Just reflect deeply and apply logic and beg for guidance ... Let the falsehood be exposed.. Isn't it what you want as a believer.. Let your falsehood come out and let the truth prevail in your life.. Don't be a hamper to your own guidance... Don't let Satan grip you... Allow your soul to reach well deserved Allah's guidance and don't chase it while it knocks your heart..

jkhan

4829

"Muhammad is A Messenger of Allah, and those with him are intense over the disbelievers, amicable among themselves. You observe them humbly acknowledging/honoring (SJD), seeking grace / preference from Allah and pleasure. Their characteristics (Seema) are on their countenances / expressions (wajha) from the effects (Azthar) of HONORING /ACKNOWLEDGING (SJD) . ......"

The above verse is quite famous amongst conventional Muslims as well to come to a resolute conclusion that Sujud is physical.. But indeed No.. SJD is not PROSTRATION... Allah elaborates the life style of Mohamed (messenger of Allah) and his believing companions.. They were very intense but they have quality of being amicable as well. And they had quality of humility thus HONORING God.. Why? Yes they seek Grace / Preference of Allah and thus His pleasure.. Indeed a believer can gain by humbling and HONORING the God, the grace and pleasure of Allah.. That's how they were.. Cuz of this they were different. Their appearance/behaviour all ... How..? They had characteristics visible in their complete expressions as a result of constant effects of truly ACKNOWLEDGING / HONORING Allah... Easy to recognise them as true believers by looking at them cuz their every action resonates it... Simply in a nutshell TRUTHFUL people.. Yeah.. Like you can easily recognise hypocrites when you are with them mingling in life... Actions speak louder...

Salam..
One questions me that above verse is so obvious they have physical mark on their forehead and I am adament and changing the clear meaning.. Nope..trry to grasp it within Quran and not outside..

If the mark is physical, would only those who prostrate to Allah get this mark? Would not those who prostrate to other deities on a daily basis get this MARK on forehead? Whats wrong with your logic?
But true believers to Allah alone would get what the verse states and none other..

Fusion

In understanding the full verse provides clearer insight into the intentions and outcomes expected when following God’s message.

4829...."Thus are they described in the Torah. And their parable in the Gospel is that of a tilth that puts forth its shoot, then strengthens it so that it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem. This is a sight pleasing to the sowers and one by which the unbelievers will be enraged. As for those who believe and do righteous deeds, Allah has promised them forgiveness and a great reward".

Indeed, the verse 4829 emphasizes the characteristics and personalities of the Prophet's companions. The inner peace and real happiness that they obtain as a result of this are apparent from their faces
Likes of which is also seen here 8324 "You will recognize in their faces the radiance of pleasure"

So its definitely not talking about a "prayer bump" or zebibah, a patch of hardened skin that can develop on the forehead from the frequent contact with the ground during Islamic prayers.

From even conventional Islamic sources, I was not able to find any authentic hadith that explicitly mention the Prophet Muhammad having a prayer bump (zebibah) on his forehead.

That being said, it's important to clarify that these points do not invalidate the Islamic prayers that Muslims perform daily, whether three or five times. This conversation should not lead us to question the validity of the physical prayers practiced by many Muslims. I firmly believe that as I stand in physical form of prayer before my creator, the rituals only truly make sense when I consistently apply God's message to my daily life.

jkhan

In understanding the full verse provides clearer insight into the intentions and outcomes expected when following God’s message.

4829...."Thus are they described in the Torah. And their parable in the Gospel is that of a tilth that puts forth its shoot, then strengthens it so that it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem. This is a sight pleasing to the sowers and one by which the unbelievers will be enraged. As for those who believe and do righteous deeds, Allah has promised them forgiveness and a great reward".

Indeed, the verse 4829 emphasizes the characteristics and personalities of the Prophet's companions. The inner peace and real happiness that they obtain as a result of this are apparent from their faces
Likes of which is also seen here 8324 "You will recognize in their faces the radiance of pleasure"

So its definitely not talking about a "prayer bump" or zebibah, a patch of hardened skin that can develop on the forehead from the frequent contact with the ground during Islamic prayers.

From even conventional Islamic sources, I was not able to find any authentic hadith that explicitly mention the Prophet Muhammad having a prayer bump (zebibah) on his forehead.

That being said, it's important to clarify that these points do not invalidate the Islamic prayers that Muslims perform daily, whether three or five times. This conversation should not lead us to question the validity of the physical prayers practiced by many Muslims. I firmly believe that as I stand in physical form of prayer before my creator, the rituals only truly make sense when I consistently apply God's message to my daily life.

Yes... Of course QURAN never invalidates any ritualistic prayers people have invented and needless too...
Quran is Allahs message and unique and the path to follow and didn't descend to correct each and every human religion but to herald the Path Allah in order for those who believe in Allah to follow so impulsively they will realize what is path of Satan..
It's like, Quran never invalidates following Hadith but QURAN has the path then decide whether Hadith is path or not ... Quran speaks the truth and believers are to realize them and choose and follow thus they naturally invalidate all falsehood cuz they follow path of Allah from His communication.. When following PATH OF ALLAH falsehood is invalidated naturally.. I know my explanation won't give any weight to people who ritually pray but definitely who understood the true meaning of SUJUD would.. I don't blame.. I was one of those who did physically sujud for ages... May Allah guides to His true path.. That's all I wish for my fellow believers.. I may sound little awkward while you people have different opinions and that too much loved and embraced options and practices... It's okay.. When Allah opens His mercy falsehood can be easily detached..

Thank you wonderful people. Keep researching..