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Small Chapters of the Quran.... I am not happy...

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    jkhan
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    I am not happy at all with many of the translations of small chapters and they don't give any sort of tangible meaning to me even though I tried to figure it out. The problem lay in translations and not in the verses.. So, I decided to disclose them one by one as I understood ... it will definitely take time, so be patient with me and you are welcome to negate them with much logic..

    Chapter 111

    1111 Perished hands of nourisher of extreme thirst (desire), and perished he
    1112 Not benefited him his wealth and what he earned
    1113 He will be destroyed in the prison of Hell possessing an extreme thirst
    1114 And his wife/partner bearer of the belongings
    1115 In a rope of fiber on her neck.

    Yes... that's my understanding ... and creating an imaginary person in the name of Abu Lahab is ridiculously unacceptable for me and it is not what the verse indeed states.. I know that is what we have been taught as dependent people on translations.. But the truth is something else.

    1061 For bringing together (with affection) historic people
    1062 Their caravan/journey of bringing together in the Winter and the Summer
    1063 In order to serve Lord of the Charter / Monotheistic System of this
    1064 Which fed/supported them against extreme Inclination and assured them
    against concerns.

    This chapter is absolutely connected with Journey of Haj / Debate where they found their guidance through prophets heralding and debating on the System of Allah…

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      jkhan
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      I am not happy at all with many of the translations of small chapters and they don't give any sort of tangible meaning to me even though I tried to figure it out. The problem lay in translations and not in the verses.. So, I decided to disclose them one by one as I understood ... it will definitely take time, so be patient with me and you are welcome to negate them with much logic..

      Chapter 111

      1111 Perished hands of nourisher of extreme thirst (desire), and perished he
      1112 Not benefited him his wealth and what he earned
      1113 He will be destroyed in the prison of Hell possessing an extreme thirst
      1114 And his wife/partner bearer of the belongings
      1115 In a rope of fiber on her neck.

      Yes... that's my understanding ... and creating an imaginary person in the name of Abu Lahab is ridiculously unacceptable for me and it is not what the verse indeed states.. I know that is what we have been taught as dependent people on translations.. But the truth is something else.

      1061 For bringing together (with affection) historic people
      1062 Their caravan/journey of bringing together in the Winter and the Summer
      1063 In order to serve Lord of the Charter / Monotheistic System of this
      1064 Which fed/supported them against extreme Inclination and assured them
      against concerns.

      This chapter is absolutely connected with Journey of Haj / Debate where they found their guidance through prophets heralding and debating on the System of Allah…

      1041 Woe to every provoker of criticism
      1042 Who gathered wealth and planned it
      1043 Thinking his wealth would last forever (lifetime) for him
      1044 Surely, he will be withdrawn into the debris
      1045 And what made you know what the Debris is?
      1046 Heated Wrath/Fury of Allah/The God
      1047 Which penetrates to the Feelings
      1048 Verily It will be wrapped over them
      1049 Into continued prolongment

      That makes perfect sense to me...

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        Fusion
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        Your interpretation of the Quran offers a unique perspective rather than sticking strictly to historical contexts, unless am wrong in the understanding.

        Interestingly, there have been few scholars in the past who also sought to understand the Quran in a more metaphorical and universal way. One such scholar was GA Pervez who faced significant opposition for his unconventional views, as many traditionalists felt he was altering the original meanings of the verses. Despite this, his work aimed to highlight the timeless truths within the Quranic text, much like your interpretations do. I did share with you one of his works as "What is Islam" in another thread.

        You can refer to his work here below

        https//www.parwez.tv/Abid_Audio_Refrences/Mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/Exposition%20of%20Quran.htm

        Although I refer to G.A. Parwez's understanding from time to time, his translations of certain Quranic chapters that depict apocalyptic scenes are so unique that I have not found any other interpretations quite like his so far.

        Therefore I am quite interested to know your own understanding/translations of chapter 84 and chapter 99 please.

        Thank you

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          jkhan
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          1081 Verily, We have bestowed you the Abundancy (Quran)
          1082 For you to connect/turn toward your Lord and to master/be proficient
          1053 That your evil disposition, it is the abolition/amputation

          @Fusion
          once guidance reaches me only I can translate and it is not a mixing of words and saying whatever comes to mind, but Allah should guide me with each chapter and its precise meaning.. until then be patient if you can..

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            1131 Say! I seek recourse in Lord from the Calamity
            1132 Against spark what it formed/fabricated
            1133 And against spark of cover when it entered
            1134 And against spark of spittle into the knots
            1135 And against spark of resentment when it resented

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              jkhan
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              1131 Say! I seek recourse in Lord from the Calamity
              1132 Against spark what it formed/fabricated
              1133 And against spark of cover when it entered
              1134 And against spark of spittle into the knots
              1135 And against spark of resentment when it resented

              1141 Say! I seek recourse in Lord from/of the Commotion,
              1142 of Possession of the Commotion
              1143 of vehement agitation of the Commotion
              1144 Against the confusedness that’s concealed
              1145 Which confuses into the advancement of the Commotion
              1146 Amongst the Jinn and the Men

              Here the first (1141) and last verses(1146) are key and the middle verses detail it..

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                jkhan
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                1121 Say! He is the Deity of anyone
                1122 The Deity of the one betakes
                1123 Never He rears, and never is He reared
                1124 And never would anyone be comparable to Him.

                My explanation based on Quran verses would be ; Allah claims. He is indeed the Deity of anyone and that matters in fact to those who betake in Him... And further clarifies He is not a kind of a deity who rears anyone nor He himself is reared and like almost all deities people invented have betaken with ascribed the attribution of rearing, thus He could never be comparable with any false deities most on earth has taken even if they claim deity to be one or many .. Attribution shouldn't go wrong... Some would say Deity is one but they ascribe partners to Him...

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                  1071 Have you seen the one who belies from/of the Direction?
                  1072 So, for that is the one who drives away the orphan.
                  1073 And does not encourage the feeding of the poor.
                  1074 So woe to the one who connects.
                  1075 who are heedless of their connection.
                  1076 The ones who show
                  1077 And withhold help

                  I would like to add this chapter as well

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                    991 When the Earth is convulsed with its convulsion
                    992 And the Earth is evicted its burdens
                    993 And said the man, “What’s it for?”
                    994 A day, exposing its reality
                    995 Because that your Lord inspired to it
                    996 A day dispatching the man into separation to realize their actions/deeds
                    997 Thus, whoever performs good of weight of seed will realize it
                    998 And, whoever performs evil of weight of seed will realize it

                    Earth is carrying loads of burdens on its surface, and on that day it will be sheer Earth void of anything on its surface and flattened/spread out thus it will expose its true nature void of burdens..

                    841 When the Sky is split
                    842 And permitted to its Lord and fulfilled/justified
                    843 And the Earth spread out / extended
                    844 And dislodged what was on it and emptied
                    845 And permitted to its Lord and fulfilled/justified
                    846 O the man! Verily you are toiling towards your Lord a toil so that you will receive it
                    847 So as for whom his register given in his right hand
                    848 So Immediately, it will be reckoned with a gentle reckoning
                    849 And he will return to his people exhilaratingly
                    8410 So as for whom his register given behind his back
                    8411 So immediately, he will invoke for doom (permanent destruction)
                    8412 And he will suffer in madness
                    8413 Indeed, he used to be exhilarating amongst his people
                    8414 Indeed, he assumed that he would never choke
                    8415 Yes! Indeed his Lord used to be a watcher on him
                    8416 But Nay! I will divide with the fright
                    8417 And the blindfold/darkness and what it enveloped
                    8418 And the perplexion when it is loaded
                    8419 That you will traverse layer on layer
                    8420 So what for them, they do not believe?
                    8421 And when the Quran is read to them, they do not acknowledge
                    8422 Nay! Those who disbelieved are belying
                    8423 And Allah/The Deity knowing what they perceive
                    8424 So, give them notice with an afflictive humiliation
                    8425 Except those who believed and did the righteousness, for them recompense never prohibited.

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                      Your interpretation of the Quran offers a unique perspective rather than sticking strictly to historical contexts, unless am wrong in the understanding.

                      Interestingly, there have been few scholars in the past who also sought to understand the Quran in a more metaphorical and universal way. One such scholar was GA Pervez who faced significant opposition for his unconventional views, as many traditionalists felt he was altering the original meanings of the verses. Despite this, his work aimed to highlight the timeless truths within the Quranic text, much like your interpretations do. I did share with you one of his works as "What is Islam" in another thread.

                      You can refer to his work here below

                      https//www.parwez.tv/Abid_Audio_Refrences/Mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/Exposition%20of%20Quran.htm

                      Although I refer to G.A. Parwez's understanding from time to time, his translations of certain Quranic chapters that depict apocalyptic scenes are so unique that I have not found any other interpretations quite like his so far.

                      Therefore I am quite interested to know your own understanding/translations of chapter 84 and chapter 99 please.

                      Thank you

                      The adamant elite of Jews, Christians, and Polytheists were desiring stoppage of further Divine communication and were simultaneously propagating negative fabricated conjectures in the hope they will succeed detracting people away from it

                      إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ يُلْحِدُونَ فِـىٓ ءَايَٟتِنَا لَا يَخْفَوْنَ عَلَيْنَآۗ

                      Realize it; those (scholars, clergy) who keep associating fabricated assertions with the contents of Our Aa'ya'at verbal passages of Divine Discourse, they are not hidden from Our Majesty.

                      أَفَمَن يُلْقَىٰ فِـى ٱلنَّارِ خَيْـرٌ أَم مَّن يَأْتِـىٓ ءَامِنٙا يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَٟمَةِۚ

                      Is then the one who is made to confront the Hell-Prison better or the one who comes as calm and tranquil secured person on the Day of Rising?

                      ٱعْمَلُوا۟ مَا شِئْتُـمْۖ

                      O you people who associate fabricated assertions with the verbal passages of Qur’ān, do whatever you wish and decide to do —

                      إِنَّهُۥ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيـرٌ .٤٠

                      Certainly He the Exalted ever keeps watching what acts you people perform.

                      The Form-IV Imperfect indicative, third person plural masculine verb (مصدر-إلْحَادٌ) stems from Root ل ح د that denotes one who deviates, or swerves, from the truth, and introduces into it that which does not belong to it. The object to which they introduce and associate fabricated false conjectural assertions is described by prepositional and possessive phrase فِـىٓ ءَايَٟتِنَا, in which the preposition signifies connectivity (للإلصاقِ) and its object is the verbal passages of the Book of Allah the Exalted, Qur’ān. It is clarified that whatever such pseudo-scholars and intelligentsia with tilted hearts would fabricate, it will never associate or have any correspondence with the Intellectual Property of Allah the Exalted, Grand Qur’ān

                      لَّايَأْتِيهِ ٱلْبَٟطِلُ مِنۢ بَيْـنِ يَدَيْهِ وَلَا مِنْ خَلْفِهِۦۖ

                      The unique feature of the Book (Grand Qur’ān) is that neither whimsical, conjectural falsity fabricated in times before it will associate with its text and nor that fabricated after its revelation, as suggested by "ٱلْغَوْا۟ فِيهِ" (refer 4126) will ever associate in meanings with it —

                      تَنزِيلٚ مِّنْ حَكِيـمٍٛٛ حَـمِيدٛ .٤٢

                      This is because this Book is gradually communicated and delivered by the Infinitely Just Supreme Administrator of the created realms, visible and invisible, the Praiseworthy --.

                      The most dismal and saddening fact for me is that none of the exegeses, whether termed as mothers of exegeses, traditional, or modernist, to which I had access during twenty five years of studying Qur’ān as autodidactic student, I have found pure of such insertions of concocted, conjectural, capricious, whimsical and blatantly false content that has no remote relevance and association with the text of Grand Qur’ān. It was and is continuing practice ever since the serial release of Qur’ān, and that it is a well thought strategy.

                      يَدَآ أَبِـى لَـهَبٛ Bold is the Subject of verb. These are two possessive phrases. The subject of a verb is always a known and specified entity.

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                        1121 Say! He is the Deity of anyone
                        1122 The Deity of the one betakes
                        1123 Never He rears, and never is He reared
                        1124 And never would anyone be comparable to Him.

                        My explanation based on Quran verses would be ; Allah claims. He is indeed the Deity of anyone and that matters in fact to those who betake in Him... And further clarifies He is not a kind of a deity who rears anyone nor He himself is reared and like almost all deities people invented have betaken with ascribed the attribution of rearing, thus He could never be comparable with any false deities most on earth has taken even if they claim deity to be one or many .. Attribution shouldn't go wrong... Some would say Deity is one but they ascribe partners to Him...

                        This is in reply to one's concern... What does "He is Deity of Anyone" mean... Well, it means Allah is Unique / Distinctive and that's what the word 'Ahad' means and not instead ONE.. never Ahad is not ONE.. I don't know why they make this basic error... Since He is Allah of anyone indeed He is unique...I hope I clarified in case you did not get it right..

                        May Allah guide us.. Thank you... Peace..

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                          This is in reply to one's concern... What does "He is Deity of Anyone" mean... Well, it means Allah is Unique / Distinctive and that's what the word 'Ahad' means and not instead ONE.. never Ahad is not ONE.. I don't know why they make this basic error... Since He is Allah of anyone indeed He is unique...I hope I clarified in case you did not get it right..

                          May Allah guide us.. Thank you... Peace..

                          He It is a pronoun.

                          What is هُوَ referring? Is it about referent?

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                            jkhan
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                            1091 O, you the deniers!
                            1092 Not I am believing what you are believing
                            1093 And not you are believers of what I believe
                            1094 And not I am a believer of what you believed
                            1095 And not you are believers of what I believe
                            1096 For you, your direction and, for me a direction

                            Everyone has belief/ibadath..

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                              Some of the verses were linked to personal life of Mohammed, but i think were not correctly explained as per traditional narratives, Quran has verses that are either religious ones or they are more of motivating the people to support the leader or prophet which are poltical, not many verses were personal, except when needed a law or transition from older beliefs.

                              About the surah on AbuLahab, The character involved may be referring to some old biblical character, theres an article i read, linking with Abu’l-Ahab and his wife Jezebel. Or it could refer to some character like Lucifer.

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