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Even knowledge is a belief

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  • Emre_1974trE Offline
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    Emre_1974tr
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    In short, knowledge = strong belief based on evidence

    As I have shown, there are no people without faith. There is only a difference between people who believe in the truth and people who believe in falsehood.

    That is why we are obliged to believe in the truth and to avoid superstition.

    And this is the separation of good and evil. It is one of the indicators of whether you are good or bad.

    As explained in the verses, the people of hell are not only deviating in the religious field, but also in distinguishing between what is good and what is bad. Even the things they think they are doing good are actually evil.

    We are obliged to turn towards true goodness by means of the revelations (spirit, i.e. revelation) that we are born with and by means of the intellect given to us by Allah.

    Who turn towards truth, beauty and goodness always win.

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      good_logic
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      Brother Emre.

      What is the difference between a machine translation and a normal translation?
      Do you use the machine to translate verses of Qoran in English or do you do that normally - with study and research/guidance...-?
      Since all translations are human controlled, which ones can be trusted for accuracy?
      In that case there may be issues with a machine translation like there are with normal human translations.

      I am just wondering when you say to us you are using a machine for translation, are you putting a disclaimer- warning us- the translations could be right or wrong?.i.e what is the probability of your own certainty about the machine you use?
      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

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        Brother Emre.

        What is the difference between a machine translation and a normal translation?
        Do you use the machine to translate verses of Qoran in English or do you do that normally - with study and research/guidance...-?
        Since all translations are human controlled, which ones can be trusted for accuracy?
        In that case there may be issues with a machine translation like there are with normal human translations.

        I am just wondering when you say to us you are using a machine for translation, are you putting a disclaimer- warning us- the translations could be right or wrong?.i.e what is the probability of your own certainty about the machine you use?
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

        Dear GoodLogic,

        Now, I also translate verses by machine, but from Turkish to English. If it continues to develop at this rate, artificial intelligence will translate better than humans next year, and then I will translate the verses from Arabic to English. By the way, the English translations of the Qur'an made by humans are a disaster, unfortunately.

        I am reporting that it is a machine translation because there may be errors and you can observe the development of artificial intelligence in this field...

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          good_logic
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          Thank you Emre.
          I am not sure machines will fare any better than humans.
          However the human sincere seeker of guidance from the creator will have an advantage.
          Best of luck to you.
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

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            They'll be much better than us, I have no doubt, brother.

            It's all a question of whether they'll be in the hands of evil forces.

            Unfortunately, the forces of evil dominate in every field today.

            Peace

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              amin
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              man created machines are anyday machines, how much ARTIFICIAL intelligence you impart.

              Since ages machines and tools are being used, now its no different, people used machines and tools both to kill and save people and this will continue.

              The thing is now, how much powerfull is the natural system is, our older books including Quran says its more powerfull than we think of, it can destroy and reset everything before we can even think about. So nothing to worry, i firmly believe there is a mechanism to fix automatially embedded in the system and that will safeguard us.

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                Bajram_Hoxhaj
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                AI struggles with deep reasoning and complex problem-solving. Programs can fall short in math and logic due to their lack of instinctual understanding, unlike animals. For instance, a dog sniffs each path instinctively, while humans deduce alternatives like "if not A or B, then C." Without precise training, AI may struggle beyond its data and can become delusional when new parameters are added.

                Stanford ChatGPT Getting Dumber
                https//futurism.com/the-byte/stanford-chatgpt-getting-dumber

                GPT-4 Might Just Be a Bloated, Pointless Mess
                https//www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/03/openai-gpt-4-parameters-power-debate/673290/

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                  Chess computers in the seventies looked very primitive. But today they have reached such a level that even the creators of those chess programmes cannot understand the games they play and their strategies. They find techniques and strategies that are not in their programmes and develop new chess strategies.

                  The latest chess programmes even play millions of matches by themselves and learn chess completely on their own. The only knowledge they have is the rules of chess. Everything else - playing styles, strategies, systems, systems, ways of opening and mate - they create from scratch.

                  And this new generation of game engines is crushing the world champions in both chess and Go. They have even started to mate humanity in real-time strategy games like Cossacks.

                  This will happen rapidly in every field from mathematics to philosophy. artificial intelligence will be trillions of times better than us. They will do the solution, calculation and reasoning that we will do in millions of years in a few seconds.

                  We are currently in the first stage of artificial intelligence. With the new artificial intelligence called Strawberry, which is expected to be released this month, we will move to the second stage. Artificial intelligence, which is currently at the level of primary school children, will have the intelligence of high school or university people in this second step. In total, 5 stages will be realised and if this speed goes at this speed, we will reach the 5th stage within 2 years. But it seems that even the 2nd and 3rd stages that we will reach only next year will enable us to move to the ‘super intelligence’ stage.

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                    If quantum computers play chess against each other, there is no intelligence involved. In this scenario, a quantum computer would simply calculate all the possible outcomes and play the optimal move at each step. This is a process of computation, not intelligence. The computer is executing algorithms, not thinking or strategizing like a human does.

                    Once chess is fully solved (10^120 games) each position would have a "best move" determined. There would be no room for creativity, adaptation, or decision-making—just following the calculated path. In this case, chess becomes like tic-tac-toe, where the outcome is predictable if both sides play optimally.

                    Computers do not "understand" chess or think like humans do. They don't exhibit intelligence in the way humans do; they just process inputs (board positions) and produce outputs (best moves) based on predefined algorithms. This is brute-force calculation, not intelligence.

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                      If quantum computers pla

                      First, quantum computers cannot yet play chess.

                      Second, the new generation of chess programmes learn the games themselves from scratch and play with intelligence and creativity.

                      Thirdly, unintelligent, uninformed, evil and treacherous people like you just makes me sick to my stomach. You spew perverted answers without even reading what the other person has written, evil bayram hoxhaj

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                        By the way, I said the following about deviation;

                        The fact that people all over the world use expressions like "deviant" or "deviation" to describe those who turn toward wrong or evil shows that, in essence, humans are created and programmed for truth and goodness. These expressions are used in sacred texts to describe servants who are on the wrong path, and as I said, they are also present in the language and knowledge of people worldwide.

                        These words, seen in the collective consciousness of humanity, indirectly reveal the acceptance that we were created upon perfect thought and behavior initially. If we think about it, the act of deviating or turning is not always bad. Sometimes a person can turn from their wrong ways and move towards what is right and good. However, we only use these expressions in a negative sense for those who deviate from the truth or for the wrong actions themselves.

                        Even subconsciously, we know that since humans were initially/on the path of truth from birth, those who turn toward evil and wrong are "deviating, that is, moving away from the truth/revelation/ruh." And such people are briefly referred to as "deviants," and the related behavior is called "deviation," whether it concerns faith, behavior, or any other matter.

                        Our holy book also explains the truth that we are created upon truth and goodness and shaped by fundamental revelation

                        7172 When your Lord brought forth offspring from the loins of the children of Adam, He made them testify against themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we testify!" Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were unaware of this."

                        7173 Or you might say, "It was our forefathers who associated partners with Allah, and we are merely their descendants. Will You then destroy us for what those who followed falsehood did?"

                        You must devote yourself to the religion as a monotheist (hanif). For Allah has created people with such a disposition. There is no altering Allah's creation. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know (Surah Ar-Rum 30).
                        In addition to the promise we made while in the womb, fundamental divine knowledge (revelation, or ruh) is embedded in our genes, and thus, just as we "know" that doing good to others is the right thing, we also "know" that Allah exists and is one.

                        Those who deny the truth or believe in superstitions are knowingly making these mistakes.

                        And that is why we are responsible (we have no excuse in the Hereafter), because this knowledge (fundamental revelation) is within us, and because it confirms the verses of the Quran (since the truth of the Quran is based on evidence). In this world of trial in which we live, we are obliged to believe in the true religion and knowledge and to avoid superstitions.

                        Even if it seems like we don't remember on the surface, when we delve deeper, we recall everything and are aware of all the knowledge and truth that has been embedded in us.

                        For these reasons, even though humans may not be fully aware of it on the surface, generally, the same expressions are used worldwide to describe those who engage in a certain degree of evil or wrong thoughts/actions and the behavior itself. The same definitions are even used in the fields of psychology and psychiatry.

                        We say that a person initially (from birth) had correct knowledge, was created on the right path, but later turned their back on the verses within and turned toward wrong, meaning they "deviated" onto the wrong path. We are actually subconsciously aware of this.

                        This is how those who distance themselves from truth and goodness are described in the verses

                        Surah Ibrahim 18 The deeds of those who reject their Lord are like ashes scattered by the wind on a stormy day. They gain nothing from what they earned. This is the essence of irretrievable deviation.

                        Surah An-Nisa 116 Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives anything less than that for whom He wills. Whoever associates partners with Allah has certainly gone far astray.

                        As I mentioned, people all over the world also affirm this information given by the verses; they label those with "extremely unhealthy thoughts and behaviors" in the same way (people of different beliefs may have completely different understandings of good/evil, right/wrong in many areas, but the term used for the act and the person performing it is the same). Thus, they actually acknowledge both the existence of universal and absolute truths/goodness and that people were created on the right path from the beginning.

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