A different perspective of Al Q'uran
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Peace BH.
Do you think a human can be faultless?
By definition the human has doubt, ego, guess work due to lack of knowledge and contradictions.Pioneers should be self critical and hungry for learning and improving their souls, but they still have the same faults , however they challenge others with ideas that need reflections and push the limit of knowledge for themselves and others.
So who is saying here that the bloke is perfect and everything he says is sound?
We are simply saying he gets some of it right.
Now, here is what constructive criticism of anything should entail
1-counter, with good etiquette, any faults by a version with strength and better knowledge.
2- leave for others to take the best.
3- move on to improve our own life and knowledge.GOD is very much aware of all of us.
Your point is taken though. flaws exist in all humans works.
GOD s trial is both for individuals and with each other.
GOD bless you.
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Yes, Satan is definitely something to watch out for. It is also a good idea to re-think our beliefs and make sure whether they are aligned with the Q'uran.
Good logic mentioned about 'pioneers of this subject'. Could you please mention a few of them and their works, if you remember? Thank you.
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Peace Shabir.
Starting with the prophet, Ali and some companions who were loyal to GOD Alone- Of course before that one can mention many prophets starting at Noah and down the line to Muhammed -and many believers with them.
Recent pioneers of Qoran are too many , I can mention few like Mohammad Asad, Rashad Khalifa, and few others that follow in their footsteps and adopt Quran alone and GOD Alone attitude/way.
However compared to all other folks in religions and without religion ,these are very few- minority of minorities-https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc
A simple search on the net will highlight countless pioneers. Only GOD knows the true from the false. We can listen to all words and choose what is best and agrees with GOD s scripture.
So the message is to always check with GOD s message.
And the best way is to study GOD s message ourselves relying on GOD Alone for the best explanations/interpretations and our own faculties which we are responsible for at GOFD s.GOD bless you.
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Dear Bajram,
Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation. You have not heard about it because it is NOT in the mainstream news and Google. Cancer is a trillion-dollar industry with Chemo and radiation. The cancer industry (ie the BIG pharma) don’t want to jeopardize that industry with a cheap and easy solution to heal cancer. They don't care about the suffering of people in the hospitals you have mentioned, as long as they can make money off of you. Therefore, they spend a lot of money (yes, billions of dollars) bribing the mainstream media and online media (ie Google) to suppress and censor any information about natural healing. This is the same for all other major diseases as well. Just because we have not heard about it, doesn’t mean alternate modalities don't exist. There are so many holistic and naturopath doctors who have cured different types of cancers, even end-state cases. If you watch 'The Truth About Cancer’ (TTAC) documentary series created by Ty and Charlene Bollinger, you will hear from many of the holistic and naturopath doctors and their patients how they healed cancer COMPLETELY. It is also not limited to those healing modalities as well. Many people have even healed their cancer by meditation. If you don’t want to believe me, then watch the ‘Source’ documentary by Dr Joe Dispenza here https//sourcethefilm.org/. YOU WOULD NEVER HERE THESE ON THE MAINSTREAM.
Does the mention of 'Cancer healing' that you found in the book make you question the contents of the book? Did you find any other flaws? I am curious.
Peace.
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Dear Bajram,
Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation. You have not heard about it because it is NOT in the mainstream news and Google.
Salaam, that's false and misleading. There isn't much I haven't looked into on the subject. Millions of people are diagnosed every year. They’re not all ignorant, and depending on the type—for example, if it's metastatic, especially to the brain where drugs can’t penetrate the blood-brain barrier—the options are lasers, whole brain radiation, etc. In such cases, the prognosis is often dire, with only weeks to months to live. You might as well make a will and say your goodbyes.
Likewise, if you're going to post on a subject, do the research—especially on the Qur’an, as the consequences of spreading false information are even more serious. Most people don’t realize this and casually post whatever ideas come to mind. When corrected, they walk away and repeat their mistakes out of pride, like an ostrich fiercely protecting its egg simply because it's theirs.
The latest advancements involve CAR T cells, which are grown and reintroduced into the body. These cells not only attack but can also inspire more cells to join the battle, as if they’re saying, 'Let’s go, team! These are the enemy!'
This link discusses how immune-suppressing molecules from tumor cells can disrupt CAR T cells, essentially acting like 'killer brakes.'
https//www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/research/car-t-cellsDoes the mention of 'Cancer healing' that you found in the book make you question the contents of the book? Did you find any other flaws? I am curious.
The book you're referring to, like the article, has numerous errors—too many to discuss, most of which have already been addressed in this forum. The issue is this if you're going to write an article, why not first run it by a forum like Free Minds and defend it by answering questions? Anyone can write an article, as some do on this site, but when questioned, they run away like cowards and keep spamming the same garbage without responding. They're infatuated with their obsession, seeking attention. It's all about self-idolization.
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Dear Bajram,
If you think you can't heal cancer, it is true (for you) - it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. However, there are so many different modalities exist whether you want to accept them or not. I am only giving hope to people who think outside the box.
You are also accusing me of an Article. I am confused as I never wrote one in this forum.
This is a forum where people openly talk/discuss different topics. As Good Logic mentioned no one is faultless and I don't claim myself either. We have to learn to take responsibility for our actions/beliefs and not blame others for posting or writing a book. If you don't agree with something, counter it with facts/evidence, and move on, without accusing people. However, I am still interested in hearing from you a few other flaws in the book that we are discussing about.
Peace.
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Dear Bajram,
If you think you can't heal cancer, it is true (for you) - it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. However, there are so many different modalities exist whether you want to accept them or not. I am only giving hope to people who think outside the box.
You are also accusing me of an Article. I am confused as I never wrote one in this forum.
This is a forum where people openly talk/discuss different topics. As Good Logic mentioned no one is faultless and I don't claim myself either. We have to learn to take responsibility for our actions/beliefs and not blame others for posting or writing a book. If you don't agree with something, counter it with facts/evidence, and move on, without accusing people. However, I am still interested in hearing from you a few other flaws in the book that we are discussing about.
Peace.
This shows you're unfamiliar with the subject, or the Qur’an, which matters little when catastrophe strikes, whether from disease, accidents, a falling object like a tree during a storm, or if a missile hits someone in the head.
Globally, approximately 2.3 million women are diagnosed with breast cancer each year. That’s just one type, and around 400,000 children and adolescents are diagnosed annually worldwide.
See 2156, 3145, 3134, 3942, 4526, etc.
It’s unclear which book you're referring to. My original reply was about the article on the Academia page you posted.
It contains numerous errors, such as comments on cancer, fasting—or not fasting—during Ramadan, or wiping oneself with clean soil before marriage, among other nonsense. It’s pointless to discuss these with you since you're not the author, and I don’t want to waste time on irrelevant links.
Salaam
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Dear Bajram,
This shows you're unfamiliar with the subject, or the Qur’an, which matters little when catastrophe strikes, whether from disease, accidents, a falling object like a tree during a storm, or if a missile hits someone in the head.
Globally, approximately 2.3 million women are diagnosed with breast cancer each year. That’s just one type, and around 400,000 children and adolescents are diagnosed annually worldwide.
I can understand your reluctance to accept the fact that Cancer could be healed. I won’t blame you for that, as that is what the MAJORITY believes. Your statistics support that too. I suggest you to watch the UT video link Good Logic attached above, about what the Q’uran tells about the ‘MAJORITY’ (Here it is https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc). However, the MINORITY who believe that Cancer can be healed, it is true for them. Believe me, I am not trying to convince you on this.
See 2156, 3145, 3134, 3942, 4526, etc.
The Q’uranic verses you have posted talk about that everything happens in the world according to the Laws of Allah, and that Allah is completely aware of it.
It’s unclear which book you're referring to. My original reply was about the article on the Academia page you posted.
I did not post an Academia page. Let’s try to keep this topic clear from any assumptions and accusations, please. I posted a pdf version of a book asking for comments. I understand the book is a bit philosophical and require stronger thinking power, and open mindedness. Here is the link again https//thequrantheuntoldtruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/The_Quran_The_Untold_Truths.pdf But, it is presented with numerous Quranic evidence.
It contains numerous errors, such as comments on cancer, fasting—or not fasting—during Ramadan, or wiping oneself with clean soil before marriage, among other nonsense.
I read Chapter 24 again, which talks about ‘Saum’. The Author uses all the Q’uranic verses which talk about ’saum’ to explain the true meaning of ‘saum’ during ‘Ramadhan'. It is pretty straightforward. You may be disappointed that you did not read the same explanation that you already know about ‘saum’ as fasting? That’s what the MAJORITY believe. But, you know what Allah talks about the MAJORITY in the Q’uran? (Watch the UT link above). Can you just point out your disagreement with facts from the Quran on this - Chapter 24?
It’s pointless to discuss these with you since you're not the author, and I don’t want to waste time on irrelevant links.
Now, please don't "run away" like you have mentioned in your previous post. You voluntarily join this discussion. Why would you think it is irrelevant now?
Peace
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My dearest Shabir, perhaps learn to use quote tool and preview.
Dear Bajram,
I can understand your reluctance to accept the fact that Cancer could be healed. I won’t blame you for that, as that is what the MAJORITY believes. Your statistics support that too. I suggest you to watch the UT video link Good Logic attached above, about what the Q’uran tells about the ‘MAJORITY’ (Here it is https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc). However, the MINORITY who believe that Cancer can be healed, it is true for them. Believe me, I am not trying to convince you on this.
Can you read? It's not about cancer, or about the minority being flat-earthers or people who believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows, etc. Who is "the majority" in all the verses? What are all the verses pertaining to — disbelievers, right?
See 2156, 3145, 3134, 3942, 4526, etc.
The Q’uranic verses you have posted talk about that everything happens in the world according to the Laws of Allah, and that Allah is completely aware of it.
Read them again, carefully. How does your self-fulfilling prophecy work, especially in the case of children? You claim that one can "will" or heal their way out of an incurable disease, which takes the lives of millions—believers and disbelievers of all ages—and beat their appointed death date?
Here is the link again https//thequrantheuntoldtruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/The_Quran_The_Untold_Truths.pdf But, it is presented with numerous Quranic evidence.
Half that book is a mindless especially wiping your butt with pure clean soil (or sand perhaps) before marriage. laugh
I read Chapter 24 again, which talks about ‘Saum’. The Author uses all the Q’uranic verses which talk about ’saum’ to explain the true meaning of ‘saum’ during ‘Ramadhan'. It is pretty straightforward. You may be disappointed that you did not read the same explanation that you already know about ‘saum’ as fasting? That’s what the MAJORITY believe. But, you know what Allah talks about the MAJORITY in the Q’uran? (Watch the UT link above). Can you just point out your disagreement with facts from the Quran on this - Chapter 24?
Now, please don't "run away" like you have mentioned in your previous post. You voluntarily join this discussion. Why would you think it is irrelevant now?
Again, "the majority" refers to the disbelievers. Do you want to discuss every topic in this thread? Search the forum, post in the thread, or start a new one.
Study صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) and صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin), which have subtle differences in usage and connotation. Once again, the link to that book is nonsensical, and you mentioned it's not your work.
Answer questions about the self-fulfilling prophecy, how it applies to children, the millions who are diagnosed and die every year, and who exactly "the majority" refers to — disbelievers, right?
We need your answers and acknowledgment?
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Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation.
Peace.Yes, you’re right. The cure for all diseases, including cancer and aging, exists in nature. And today, under the name of modern medicine, false or incomplete medicine is being presented. Just like how real religion or real psychology isn’t taught in schools, real medicine also isn’t being taught, unfortunately. Moreover, these days, the dominant pagan powers are trying to reduce the world’s population. Don’t hesitate to share your knowledge and thoughts. Please don’t pay attention to the misguided devils who try to scare and hinder you on these forums.
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Dear Bajram,
My dearest Shabir, perhaps learn to use quote tool and preview
Thank you for this suggestion. Have you heard the idiom, "You can't teach new tricks to old dogs". ;D
Can you read? It's not about cancer, or about the minority being flat-earthers or people who believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows, etc. Who is "the majority" in all the verses? What are all the verses pertaining to — disbelievers, right?
Read them again, carefully. How does your self-fulfilling prophecy work, especially in the case of children? You claim that one can "will" or heal their way out of an incurable disease, which takes the lives of millions—believers and disbelievers of all ages—and beat their appointed death date?
I regret to say that your concept of 'Believers' is completely wrong. You seem to be assuming you are a 'believer'. I hate to break the bubble. Please for the love of God, read that book with an open mind. The author talks about who the real 'believers' are.
As I mentioned earlier, cancer is not an incurable disease, as we are made to believe. Unfortunately, the majority of Cancer patients believe that too. If you believe you or your child will die from Cancer, you will, making it a self-filling prophecy. However, there are many ways it can be successfully healed with natural medicine and diet, and without Chemo and radiation.
Half that book is a mindless especially wiping your butt with pure clean soil (or sand perhaps) before marriage. laugh
So, as per your understanding, if you can't find water, you wipe your face and hands with soil after defecating, not your butt and the hands. How does that make sense to you? so you go around with poo-poo butt??? (Excuse my language)
Again, "the majority" refers to the disbelievers. Do you want to discuss every topic in this thread? Search the forum, post in the thread, or start a new one.
Yes, the Majority refers to disbelievers. So, if you are in the majority, perhaps you might have to rethink and re-educate yourself. The book I am talking about could be a good start.
Study صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) and صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin), which have subtle differences in usage and connotation. Once again, the link to that book is nonsensical, and you mentioned it's not your work.
So, what is your definition of these terms that align with the Quran? You have yet to make yourself clear.
You have not provided any evidence or facts from the Quran to disprove any of the topics discussed in that book. It sounds nonsensical to me.
Answer questions about the self-fulfilling prophecy, how it applies to children, the millions who are diagnosed and die every year, and who exactly "the majority" refers to — disbelievers, right?
We need your answers and acknowledgment?
Self-fulfilling prophecies apply to children the same way they apply to adults. It's all about the natural laws of Allah. These laws apply to everyone without prejudice whether you are an adult or a child or rich or poor. The author has spoken about it in details in his book. I suggest you to read it.
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Dear Emre,
Thank you for your message. You are absolutely correct and you nailed it.
In this era of information, I think, ignorance is a choice. But unfortunately, the majority of people are just oblivious to the truth and just sleep-walking.
Once again, thank you for the encouragement.
Peace
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I regret to say that your concept of 'Believers' is completely wrong. You seem to be assuming you are a 'believer'. I hate to break the bubble. Please for the love of God, read that book with an open mind. The author talks about who the real 'believers' are.
Again, you missed the whole point. The verses about majority and minority pertain to faith. It doesn’t mean that 'the minority' of people who believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows are correct.
Do you understand this?
As I mentioned earlier, cancer is not an incurable disease, as we are made to believe. Unfortunately, the majority of Cancer patients believe that too. If you believe you or your child will die from Cancer, you will, making it a self-filling prophecy. However, there are many ways it can be successfully healed with natural medicine and diet, and without Chemo and radiation.
Again, you know little to nothing about the subject, yet you think you're smart while millions of people are struggling with cancer and have not tried all sorts of treatments? Why not go to the nearest cancer hospital, be a hero, hold up a sign, and help cure them and their kids?
Yes, the Majority refers to disbelievers. So, if you are in the majority, perhaps you might have to rethink and re-educate yourself. The book I am talking about could be a good start.
So, what is your definition of these terms that align with the Quran? You have yet to make yourself clear.
You have not provided any evidence or facts from the Quran to disprove any of the topics discussed in that book. It sounds nonsensical to me.
Again, that book is a waste of time—there's nothing new that hasn't already been discussed on this forum. "The majority" has nothing to do with who’s right about issues like cancer, whether chocolate milk comes from brown cows, or other topics where "the minority" is ignorant.
Again, choose any topic, search the forum, and if you can't find it, open a new thread.
Regarding 1926 abstention of (صَوْمًا); here, صَوْم refers to abstaining from speech. صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) refers to general abstinence, such as refraining or engaging in specific activities. One can make a vow of "abstention" from anything; smoking or using foul language, etc.
صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin) is more specific, involving abstaining from food, drink, and sex during the daylight hours of Ramadan 2187 … and eat ye of and drinks ye of until shown for you the thread the white from the thread the black from the dawn furthermore fulfill ye of Aş-Şiyāma (the abstinence) towards the night …
Self-fulfilling prophecies apply to children the same way they apply to adults. It's all about the natural laws of Allah. These laws apply to everyone without prejudice whether you are an adult or a child or rich or poor. The author has spoken about it in details in his book. I suggest you to read it.
I've perused half of it and found it dumb, so I didn't want to waste more time. Like the verses on "the majority," you/he clearly do not understand.
2156 Al-Ladhīna 'Idhā 'Aşābathum Muşībatun Qālū 'Innā Lillāhi Wa 'Innā 'Ilayhi Rāji`ūna - the ones when of hits them calamity said they indeed we لله and indeed we to Him returning
3145 Wa Mā Kāna Linafsin 'An Tamūta 'Illā Bi'idhni Allāhi Kitābāan Mu'uajjalāan - and not be for soul that it died except by permission الله writ of determined of
Salaam
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Dear Bajram,
2 observations I make
A) With regards to worldly matters like diseases you have zero knowledge. You're still in the la-la-land. Only immature children discuss things like 'chocolate milk comes from brown cows'. It is not an intelligent example or conversation.
B) This thread is about a book called "The Quran The untold Truths". Though you say you don't agree with it, you have not proven with Quranic evidence that the author is wrong on any topic. I see you are not serious but want to create confusion.
I wish you all the best.
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Dear Bajram,
2 observations I make
A) With regards to worldly matters like diseases you have zero knowledge. You're still in the la-la-land. Only immature children discuss things like 'chocolate milk comes from brown cows'. It is not an intelligent example or conversation.
B) This thread is about a book called "The Quran The untold Truths". Though you say you don't agree with it, you have not proven with Quranic evidence that the author is wrong on any topic. I see you are not serious but want to create confusion.
I wish you all the best.
Dearest Shabir,
I’ve read everything on the matter, and similarly, I assure you that, like the 'minority' of Americans — approximately 7% (24 million people) — who believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows, or the roughly 3% of the global population (240 million people) who believe in a flat Earth, you are equally clueless on the matter of cancer and the verses of the Qur’an.
That book is a nonsensical rant on almost every other topic. Once again, you can search the forum to see that most of this has already been discussed. If you want to defend and enlighten us on any specific topic, feel free to open or reopen a separate thread.
All the best!
Salaam
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Dear Bajram,
Purely for entertainment purposes, my children want to know, what types of cows produce Strawberry milk and Vanilla milk? Please support your answer with statistics.
Thank you.
https//www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/american-chocolate-milk-brown-cows-study-us-dairy-innvoation-adults-a7793016.html
Tell your kids that no cow produces flavored milk! A 2017 survey by the Innovation Center for U.S. Dairy revealed that 7% of American adults mistakenly believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows.
Perhaps teach your kids about inheritance—it's simple and requires basic logic and math, concepts that the vast majority (99.999%), including Sunni, Shia, and even AI models like ChatGPT and Google's Gemini, struggle with when it comes to understanding basic distributions (e.g., among a mother and two daughters) or the meaning of terms like kalala.
Salaam
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Qoran simple message on inheritance is to leave a will Your wish is the command in that case.
Some things on inheritance
Blessed are the poor
For they pay no inheritance tax.An Imam told a friend ,while attending his father s funeral, that his dad would not go to heaven because he made his fortune through greed. Then he added that if the friend gives all his inheritance to him to give to the poor, he will work something out and arrange a special day of prayer to save his dad!
"Where there's a will, there's a way". Until inheritance is about to be shared .
In life you gain some and loose some. If you gain inheritance ,you loose a parent.
..And in the end, the meek shall inherit the earth.
Me, I know nothing about inheritance. My advice to folks is to choose how and to whom they should give /share with during their life and when they depart.
Hope this is not off topic,since- in this thread- we are discussing Qoran - a different perspective-..
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
