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    centi50
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    Salam to All

    https//youtu.be/GWvuqy59KLU

    What are your comments on this clip

    God bless you all

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      Rubbish video. Minimal evidence and referencing.

      I've posted various info on this forum, here is all of it

      https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607054.msg359847#msg359847

      Notes on an ancient Arabic pantheon(s).

      Compiled by I. Marc Carlson

      Animistic
      Sacred stones & Places. Ancestral deities and totems.

      South Arabia

      Planetary Astral System of Gods.
      Moon (Supreme God) Shahar
      Sin
      Wara "the Wanderer"
      Kahil "the Old One"
      Wadd "Lover/Father", "Affection"
      al Maqala "the Health giver" Haubas "the Drier" (Moon at ebb tide) Amm "Paternal Uncle"
      Ab "Father" Sun (Consort of Moon/Queen of Heaven) Shams, Shamsu Shams (god of Clan Hamdan) Nikrah Anbai Venus (Son of Sun and Moon) Athtar
      al-Rahim "the Compassionate"
      `Athtar Sharqan (Morning star)
      (Dharrih/Dhirrih? Morning Star

      `Athtar DhuQabd (Evening Star)
      Khal
      Il;Ilah
      Yaw Rain & thundergod (Tammuz)
      Medr/Behr Earth god
      Mehrem (Earth mother?)
      Manat Fate
      Ta'lab God of clan Riyam (tree totem at Tur'at on Mt.
      Itwa)
      Hagr (Stone Cult)
      Dhu Samawi "Lord of Heaven" God of Clan Amir.
      Worshiped in Haram

      North Arabia
      Allah (al-Ilahah) "the God"
      "Daughters of Allah"
      Allat (Ilat) "the Goddess" Mother goddess, Goddess of
      Taif (east of Mecca)
      Shams Sun goddess
      ash-Shiraq "the Rising One" (Male?)
      Muharriq "the Burner" (Male?)
      Chabou, Ka'bu Virgin Sun Mother of
      Dhu-al-Shara/Dushares
      al-Uzza, Lady `Uzzay-an "the Most Mighty." Planet Venus
      ash-Sa'ida "The Blessed"
      Azizos "the Powerful" Morning star
      Monimos "the Benificent" Evening star
      Manah, Manat , Maniya "Fate"

      al-Asad "the Lion" Lion God
      Awf, Auf Great Bird
      al-Ba`lu "the Lord"
      Dhu-al-Shara/Dhu-'sh-Shara/Dushares {Block of
      black stone, 4x2} Dying god, son of the Earth
      mother. Sacred day, Dec 25.
      Dhu 'l-Halasa ??
      Dhu 'l-Kaffain "He who has two hands"
      Dhu 'r-rijl "He who has a foot"
      Gad "Luck"
      Hubal Chief god of Ka'bah (Allah?)
      Iblis Father of Djinn (Shaitan)
      Kuthra "the Most Rich"
      al-Malik "the King"
      Manaf "Height, High Place"
      Nasr Vulture god (Wide spread across Semitic lands)
      Qozah Ancient God of Storms (n.b. rainbow = "Bow of
      Qozah&quot
      Ruda "Good Will" Goddess of tribe Tamim. Epithet of
      some other Goddess?

      ath-Thuraiya; an-Najm "the Constellation" Pleides.
      Brings
      rains.
      Shai al-qaum "The Companion of the People" Sor Rock Suwa ???? Yaghuth "Helper" Lion God Yauq "the Preserver" ???

      Houris of Paradise
      Gehenna/Sheol
      Hafaza Protective spirits
      Djin
      <City of Brass>

      Mograbi Suphra MU?
      Bilijik MU. Greatest Miser in History. Eyepatch.
      Grandfather of Genie.
      Kaspar King of _________
      Melchior King of _________
      Balthazar King of _________

      al Khidr "the Green"
      Luqman al-Hakim Legendary Sage - Vulture Symbol. Ruled over
      troglodytes after Flood. Sometimes a Giant
      with Mixed traits.
      Shaddad Ibn Add Brother of Luqman. Built Iram of the Columns.
      Bilqis Queen of Sheba
      Soloman
      Ras al-Ghul Head of the Demon/Ogre

      Dhul-Qarayn "Two horned" (Alexander the Great) Advised by
      al`Khidr (as per Merlin) in the Romance of Dhul
      Qarayn and his circle of Yemenite knights
      (including a quest for the water of life)
      Amr Ibn Madi Karib Paragon of Yemenite Knights.

      Aws tribe
      Khazraj tribe

      In addition, 7 circuits seem to be a common feature in Jewish practices
      https//www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hakkafot

      In addition to my previous posts https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607054.msg427188#msg427188

      From
      https//www.almuslih.org/Library/Peterson,%20S%20-%20The%20Cult%20of%20Dushara.pdf
      https//macsphere.mcmaster.ca/bitstream/11375/10302/1/fulltext.pdf

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      This is also done in the city of Petra (this is the capital of Arabia, which is called
      Edom in the scriptures), in the temple of the idol there. They sing hymns to the
      virgin in Arabia, calling her in Arabic "Chaabu," which means Core or "virgin,"
      and the one born from her "Dusares," which means "only begotten of the Lord."
      The rite is also performed in the city of Elusa on that night as in Petra and

      In this passage Epiphanius elucidates the rituals of the Nabataeans with the intent of
      showing that the Nabataeans understood the concept of a virgin birth, like the
      Christians.273 In his explanation, he names the main deity of the Nabataeans as Dushara,
      but is incorrect in his explanation of Dushara's origins. According to Epiphanius,
      Dushara is worshipped as the son of a virgin, which raises questions as to the
      role of Ruda, if female, or Allat in relation to the deity? In fact, it appears that
      Epiphanius confused the Arabic word ka 'ba, which means "stone, cube, betyl," with
      words such as ka'iba or ku 'ba, which mean "young females" or "female breasts."
      Because of this confusion, Epiphanius concluded that Dushara was born from a virgin,
      misinterpreting Dushara's actual worship in the form of a stone. Aside from the
      etymylogical confusion, Epiphanius does indicate a festival of the Nabataeans that
      occurred on the sixth of January, around the winter solstice.

      In addition to my previous post https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607054.msg359847#msg359847

      Some may find this work useful. There was some interesting bits, e.g.

      Quote
      The Arabs who inhabited the Peninsula used to offer their hair as a sacrifice to Manāt. Interestingly, having made a pilgrimage to Al-Kaba in Mecca, the goddess' followers believed that the hajj ritual could be deemed complete only after they also visited the goddess' sanctuary in Kudayd. Manāt's name, just like that of Al-Lāt and Al-'Uzzā, was invoked during the oath taking ceremonies. The three goddesses were also worshipped in the Kuraysh's Mecca. According to many scholars, in the pre-Muslim era the famous Al-Kaba served as the all-Arab cult centre of Al-Lāt, Al-'Uzzā and Manāt, all of whom were later recognized as daughters of the supreme god Hubal and then Allāh, whom the Arabs were to equate with Hubal.

      Coincidentally there are 3 pillars inside the cuboid called Kaabah. I don't know if this is related.

      http//www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/history/arabic.txt
      North Arabia
      Allah (al-Ilahah) "the God"
      "Daughters of Allah"
      Allat (Ilat) "the Goddess" Mother goddess, Goddess of
      Taif (east of Mecca)
      Shams Sun goddess
      ash-Shiraq "the Rising One" (Male?)
      Muharriq "the Burner" (Male?)
      Chabou, Ka'bu Virgin Sun Mother of
      Dhu-al-Shara/Dushares
      al-Uzza, Lady `Uzzay-an "the Most Mighty." Planet Venus
      ash-Sa'ida "The Blessed"
      Azizos "the Powerful" Morning star
      Monimos "the Benificent" Evening star
      Manah, Manat , Maniya "Fate"

      .
      .
      Dhu-al-Shara/Dhu-'sh-Shara/Dushares {Block of
      black stone, 4x2} Dying god, son of the Earth
      mother. Sacred day, Dec 25.
      .
      .

      Hubal Chief god of Ka'bah (Allah?)

      Root entry in Lane's Lexicon for Kaf-Ayn-Ba
      Quote "a house or temple belonging to the tribe of Rabee'ah, who used to compass it, or perform circuits round it (as is done round the Kabbeh of Mekkeh)".

      https//books.google.co.uk/books?id=nNQ_3aRdHPYC&pg=PA320&lpg=PA320&dq=dhu+al+shara&source=bl&ots=TvwkWvVzuV&sig=7O_z2LV93zlRfIx5eydC9o5FLNw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e9CKVKjtGYPmUuG8gvgH&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=dhu%20al%20shara&f=false

      quote;
      Such stones, especially black stones, were used as the main cult objects for the worship of other Arabian gods. According to Epiphanius the Nabatean God Dhu-shara (Dhu al Shara) was represented by something called "khaabou" which represented the deity. The Byzantine lexicographer Suidas reports that this was a black stone, roughly square, four feet high by two feet wide. Antoninus Placentinus relates that in Sinai the local Arabs had an idol which changed from snow white to pitch black..... Ibn al Kalbi relates that a number of Arab deities were represented by stones

      http//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/science/language.htm
      quote
      In the fourth century AD, Epiphanius, the bishop of Salamis, Cyprus wrote a letter describing cults such as the Nabataean cult and their celebration of the festival of the birth of Dhu Al-Shaara around the winter solstice. It is interesting that the birth celebrations culminated with bringing forth from beneath the earth the image of the male infant idol, which was carried seven times around the inner sanctuary of the pagan temple.

      .
      .
      The celebration of the idol's birth around the winter solstice is also an indication of a relationship to the sun. The present cube structure of Dhu Al-Shaara in Saudi Arabia also has evidence of its pagan purpose. For example, the cube is aligned such that the Southeast corner is in the direction of the winter sunrise. Interestingly, in that corner lies the so-called Black Stone, which is the most revered object by sectarians who love to kiss and fondle it.

      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oPJEZ12NQ8
      Some of the sahaba refused to go between safa and marwah due to their pagan origins, e.g.
      https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaf_and_Na%27ila

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Summarised pertinent info

        Allat (Ilat) "the Goddess" Mother goddess, Goddess of
        Taif (east of Mecca)

        Chabou, Ka'bu Virgin Sun Mother of
        Dhu-al-Shara/Dushares

        Dhu-al-Shara/Dhu-'sh-Shara/Dushares {Block of
        black stone, 4x2} Dying god, son of the Earth
        mother. Sacred day, Dec 25.

        Hubal Chief god of Ka'bah (Allah?)

        This is also done in the city of Petra (this is the capital of Arabia, which is called
        Edom in the scriptures), in the temple of the idol there. They sing hymns to the
        virgin in Arabia, calling her in Arabic "Chaabu," which means Core or "virgin,"
        and the one born from her "Dusares," which means "only begotten of the Lord."

        main deity of the Nabataeans as Dushara,
        but is incorrect in his explanation of Dushara's origins. According to Epiphanius,
        Dushara is worshipped as the son of a virgin, which raises questions as to the
        role of Ruda, if female, or Allat in relation to the deity? In fact, it appears that
        Epiphanius confused the Arabic word ka 'ba, which means "stone, cube, betyl," with
        words such as ka'iba or ku 'ba, which mean "young females" or "female breasts."
        Because of this confusion, Epiphanius concluded that Dushara was born from a virgin,
        misinterpreting Dushara's actual worship in the form of a stone. Aside from the
        etymylogical confusion, Epiphanius does indicate a festival of the Nabataeans that
        occurred on the sixth of January, around the winter solstice.

        The Arabs who inhabited the Peninsula used to offer their hair as a sacrifice to Manāt.

        Al-Kaba served as the all-Arab cult centre of Al-Lāt, Al-'Uzzā and Manāt, all of whom were
        later recognized as daughters of the supreme god Hubal then Allāh, whom the Arabs were to equate with Hubal.

        Coincidentally there are 3 pillars inside the cuboid called Kaabah.

        Root entry in Lane's Lexicon for Kaf-Ayn-Ba
        Quote "a house or temple belonging to the tribe of Rabee'ah, who used to compass it,
        or perform circuits round it (as is done round the Kabbeh of Mekkeh)".

        Such stones, especially black stones, were used as the main cult objects for the worship of other Arabian gods.
        According to Epiphanius the Nabatean God Dhu-shara (Dhu al Shara) was represented by something called "khaabou"
        which represented the deity. The Byzantine lexicographer Suidas reports that this was a black stone,
        roughly square, four feet high by two feet wide. Antoninus Placentinus relates that in Sinai the local Arabs
        had an idol which changed from snow white to pitch black (similar story hajar al aswad / the black stone of Kaabah)

        Nabataean cult and their celebration of the festival of the birth of Dhu Al-Shaara around the winter solstice.
        It is interesting that the birth celebrations culminated with bringing forth from beneath the earth
        the image of the male infant idol, which was carried seven times around the inner sanctuary of the pagan temple.

        isaf and naila
        The two stones were removed from the Kaaba and placed on the Al-Safa and Al-Marwah hills so that the people would be warned. Over time, they were then venerated as idols.
        They were primarily worshipped by the Quraysh.

        conclusion?
        Chabou, Ka'bu Virgin Sun Mother of Dhu-al-Shara/Dushares (black stone)
        Lane's Lexicon for Kaf-Ayn-Ba (house/temple belonging to the tribe of Rabee'ah, who used to compass it)

        Dhu-shara (Dhu al Shara) was represented by something called "khaabou"
        which represented the deity. The Byzantine lexicographer Suidas reports that this was a black stone,
        roughly square, four feet high by two feet wide.

        festival of the birth of Dhu Al-Shaara around the winter solstice.
        It is interesting that the birth celebrations culminated with bringing forth from beneath the earth
        the image of the male infant idol, which was carried seven times around the inner sanctuary of the pagan temple.

        the cube is aligned such that the Southeast corner is in the direction of the winter sunrise. Interestingly, in that corner lies the so-called Black Stone, which is the most revered object by sectarians who love to kiss and fondle it.
        The enclosure of the black stone is also in the shape of female body part giving birth.

        https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice
        quote
        Because the winter solstice is the reversal of the Sun's apparent ebbing in the sky,
        in ancient times it was seen as the symbolic death and rebirth of the Sun or of a Sun god

        Verify orientation
        https//www.researchgate.net/figure/The-orientation-of-the-Kaaba-as-described-in-medieval-astronomical-texts-and-confirmed-by_fig1_351521418
        https//www.suncalc.org/#/21.4827,40.0291,7/2024.12.23/2216/1/3

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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