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The word for gambling

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    unknownuser
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    The word used as 'gambling' is of the root yaa-seen-ra am I right?

    If so, the core idea here is that of 'ease'.

    I understand how 'gambling' may be inferred, as the idea of obtaining money 'easily' would be the connection, but what of other acquisitions - for instance, if an executive director of a company works 4 hours a day and gets a 6 million per year salary, is that also 'ease'?

    What about inheritance? If one inherits a large fortune, which he or she themselves has not worked for, is this obtaining money with 'ease' too?

    And investing in stocks and shares...?

    Where is the boundary?

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      Peace,

      Glad you brought this up, I have seen the verses that have traditionally adressed gambling to be now translated by Aidid Safar as 'convenient times' or something, well whatever it was it had no mention of the act of gambling.

      Can somebody do a detailed explanation of the Arabic here? This is a big change from gambling to something else! Harms in gambling are clear and the verse makes sense when that is used so I can't understand this new translation.

      Nural

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        peace,

        This information can easily be studied using the following tools

        http//mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/think-786/Quran_study_tools.htm

        Alternatively, if someone wants spoon-fed, here is a cut & paste

        thread"]From Lane
        Ya-Siin-Ra = become gentle/tractable/manageable/easy/submissive/liberal, become little in quantity/paltry / no weight or worth, left side/direction, divide into parts/portions, make easy/smooth, adapt/accommodate, play with gaming arrows (al maysiri), a game for stakes/wagers involving risk

        You can analyse the references here

        http//burhan.freewebsitehosting.com/data/b.x.519.htm

        Interestingly, for those who always wanted to know what "arrows of chance / gaming arrows" were. Lane gives quite a detailed description of what was involved. I'll explain my take on it a group of 10 (or however many there are) buys an animal on credit (e.g. camel), they slaughter the animal and divide it into 10 portions (equaling the number of people in the group). They assign a number to each portion of meat, e.g. portion 1 is marked 1, portion 2 is marked 2, portion 3 is marked 3 etc up to 10. They take 10 arrow heads (no feathers) and mark each arrow head with a number, arrow head 1 marked 1 (this corresponds to meat portion 1), arrow head 2 marked 2 (this corresponds to meat portion 2) etc up to 7, arrows 8, 9 and 10 are left with no mark. They assign a person to shuffle the arrow heads and distribute them to the 10 players. If someone gets arrow 1 they take meat portion 1, if someone gets arrow 2 they take meat portion 2 and so on. Whoever gets the unmarked arrows (3 people in this example) have to pay the entire value of the slaughtered animal, that was initially bought on credit.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          The word used as 'gambling' is of the root yaa-seen-ra am I right?

          If so, the core idea here is that of 'ease'.

          I understand how 'gambling' may be inferred, as the idea of obtaining money 'easily' would be the connection, but what of other acquisitions - for instance, if an executive director of a company works 4 hours a day and gets a 6 million per year salary, is that also 'ease'?

          What about inheritance? If one inherits a large fortune, which he or she themselves has not worked for, is this obtaining money with 'ease' too?

          And investing in stocks and shares...?

          Where is the boundary?

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            What if someone inherits a fortune, is this 'easily' obtaining money? Is it the case that a momen is required to always work for money and work hard for it?

            Any other views on the use of the root word 'yasr' here? When does one decide what isn't 'ease'?

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