Decide what Allah spoke thru Quran... it's up to you..

Iyyaka

Salam aleykoum,

Well, interpreting a text like the Quran first requires a methodology for analysing the words and verses with a discipline, which I have summarised as follows on my website (reveniraucoran.fr)

This site is dedicated to understanding the fundamental meaning of the Koran in its literary
composition.

Uncovering this fundamental meaning requires a critical and salutary historical distancing from the text,
with the ambition of returning to the Qur'anic moment of understanding of the first listeners. In a sense,
a fundamental exegesis of the Koran The applied method of ‘fundamental exegesis’ amounts to solving the
equation S=EFC2, i.e.

Meaning = Etymology + Form + 2 Contexts (Textual and Historical).

This is the first essential step for God-fearers who don't want to twist the original meaning of the text.

Then, as a second step, you can ask yourself how does the text speak to me today?

Otherwise you will project your own desire onto the text and in the end it will no longer be the Quran but a production of your imagination/deep hidden desire ; influenced by the veil of modernity.

Examples you mentioned

1 - the word atlu

verb
root tlw
second person masculine singular
imperative verb
Lemma تَلَىا

1 تَلَا تل تلا He followed; or went, or walked, behind, or after. (IAar, T.) You say, تَلَوْتُهُ, (S, M, Msb, K,) aor. تَلُوَ , (S, Msb, K,) inf. n. تُلُوٌّ (S, M, Msb, K) and تَلْوٌ, (Er-Rághib, MF,) I followed him or it; or went, or walked, behind, or after, him or it; (S, M, Msb, K namely, a man ; (S, Msb immediately, or without intervention; and sometimes it means bodily ; and sometimes, virtually, or in effect (Er-Rághib) and so تَلَيْتُهُ; (K and ↓ تَلَّيْتُهُ , (As, * T, * K,) inf. n. تَتْلِيَةٌ. (K.) The phrase, in the Kur xci. 2, وَالقَمَرِ إِِذَا تَلَاهَا means By the moon when its rising follows the rising thereof

So the translation "recite" in because Muhammad follows the revelation dictated by God via an angel and transmits to him orally. And Yes, afterwards, this allows the education of the people but as a consequence of the act of recitation.

the moon ‘follows’ the sun in . No notion of education here.

1 - the word shahru

noun
root shhr
masculine
nominative
Lemma شَهْر

شَهْرٌ The new moon, when it appears (IF, A, Mgh, O, Msb, K) so called because of its conspicuousness. (Mgh, Msb.) This is the original signification. (Mgh.)
And a certain well-known number of days so called because made manifest by the moon

Clear here also, shahru associated with the word ramaDâna (proper noun / genitive case) refers to a specific lunar month
No mystery or hidden sense here. Only Arabic language in its textual and historical context.

jkhan

Lailat al Qadr = Concerns of the Determination

971-5 Verily, We stemmed/originated (anzalna) it, employing the concerns/matters (Laila) of determination. And what has acquainted (adra) you with the concerns of determination? The concerns of determination are prosperity achieved through countless/overwhelming (alf) undertakings/actions (shahr). Stemming/originating the Controllers and The Life Force (Al Ruh) therein with permission of their Lord through each matter/affair. In a state of relaxation, it is ultimately the emergence of the New Beginning/dawn (al fajr).

What does it refer to? it could be the entire creation of Allah. But open to reflection.

441 Ha Meem, and/by the manifesting ordainment (al kitab).

442 Verily, We stemmed/originated (anzalna) it through concerns/matters (Laila) of steadiness (mubaraka), Indeed it is We-We have been avowing/affirming (*munzireen).

*Nazeer is not WARNER, Nazeer = Avower/Affirmer.. All Messengers were Avowers.

A beautiful chapter, chapter 97 is ... traditionally connected with Ramadhan and fasting and waiting for a day in that month. Just read and reflect. Remember my topic...

Note If anyone addressed Jkhan, I would respond, that Allah acted or caused/In Sha Allah.

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let me add couple of more info thru Quran to this thread..

Rab Al Alamin = Lord of the Identities

8127-29 That it is except consideration (zikr) for (all) the Identities (alamin). To anyone among you who brings about / acts (yahsa) uniformity (yasthaqeem). Yet it is not you who acts (sha), but rather The Savior who acts, Lord of the Identities (alamin).

above verses without any brackets or synonyms as an interpretation looks like under

8127-29 “It is solely a consideration on the Identities. To anyone among you who brings about uniformity, know that it is not you who acts, but The Savior who acts—Lord of the Identities.”

Language barriers will be relaxed when Allah is involved in guiding those who seek the path of uniformity and rely on Allah alone for their guidance. All identities of this world can approach guidance through Quran if they seek the path of uniformity/consistency.

Note; Meanwhile, Identities refers to the essence of who or what something is. It is the set of characteristics, beliefs, values, and experiences that define an individual, group, or entity. Identity answers the question “Who am I?” or “What are we?”

to all such Identities, Lord is Allah – Lord of the identities, Rab Al Alamin.

jkhan

Well, remember my Heading/Subject... "Decide what Allah spoke thru Quran... it's up to you.."

Traditional Ramadhan is approaching, just read and reflect, if does not make sense to you keep fasting.. It is you who is gonna be accountable for your actions.

2185 “Actions/undertakings (Shahr) of intense grievances/atrocities (Ramadhan), during which the Qur’an was stemmed/originated, is a guidance for the people and manifestations of the guidance and the guideline principles (Al-Furqan). So whoever among you was involved or took part (Shahida) in the action/Alshahr (i.e., vehement grievances), let him rehabilitate it (Yasumu’hu). And whoever is ill or on a journey, then an equal number of other days. Allah intends ease for you and does not intend difficulties for you, so that you may complete the number and magnify Allah for having guided you, and so that you may put forth (shukr)”

In simple language, ‘Shahr Ramadhan = Challenging Actions of Grievances

Siyam (Rehabilitation) may not be part of everyone’s life but it should be part of those who involved in actions of vehement grievances and then professed faith truly..Though people professed faith, they might have some vehement grievances about their past actions, and by just professing faith one cannot instantaneously become a different person from his past vehement grieving actions.. It needs to be frequently rehabilitated to pacify his soul. Allah might have forgiven their past actions since they were in ignorance but, a person is bound to go through rehabilitation for himself to become properly conscientious .. That’s Siyam / Rehabilitation from the past actions of vehement grievances.. and it was not a new thing …. Not everyone who professed faith would have been that cruel in their past life, to rehabilitate but there could have been many since they were ignorant…So rehab is for three days (ayyamun Ma’dudath), and to be exact during ‘White days’ … They were in serious vehement grievances of action in the past and Allah guided them with His mercy so Allah intends for them to magnify for the guidance and be grateful for it thus leaving them to be conscientious people…What is Rehabilitation / Siaym in the true sense? It is a Contemplation or Meditation by revisiting what you have done through a mental process and turning to the Lord in repentance of what you have done in ignorance and during the rehab period one has to avoid sex to concentrate fully….. Meditation is not like comprehending/reasoning… Meditation or contemplation is only targeted at past or ongoing actions to recover from it..

*The White Days are three full moon days.

The verse below is the process and outcome of rehabilitation (Al Siyam) in a gradual measure. After stating in verse 2185 what is Siyam who should be involved and when to be involved and why etc, the verse below, states what to consider when you rehabilitate/Siyam to make it a successful rehabilitation.

2187 Dismissed/dissolved for you anxieties (Laila) of the obscenity (rafathz) of the rehabilitation (al siyam) to your oblivions (nisa). They(aforesaid) are envelopments (libas) for you and you are envelopments (libas) to them. Discerned the Savior/Allah that you were altering (thahthan) yourselves, so He bore regret towards you and remitted (afwa) on you. So, now rub away (bashar) them and seek what has ordained the Savior/Allah for you. And be receptive/internalize (akl) and imbibe/assimilate (shrab) eventually/until manifesting to you the line of the silver (guiding thread) from the line of the obscurity of the dawn i.e. new beginning/clarity (fajr). Then accomplish the rehabilitations (al Siyam) to the concern (lail) and don’t rub them away while you are cleaving/adhering (akf) through the state of acknowledgments (masajid). These are restraints of Allah/The Savior, so don’t occupy them. Thus, Allah manifests His expositions to mankind so that they have a conscience.

If you still have any difficulty to understand the cream and the essence of the verse, this is how I simplify it.. "Notoriety of Ordeal (shahr ramadhan), the one that stemmed/originated Al Quran, is a guidance ...

Actually you have to grasp what ACTION/Shahr is.. it could be anything.. for example i replaced it with actual such action as NOTORIETY-Shahr.. Ramadhan is indeed kind of an ORDEAL that's intense ..

jkhan

here are some more for your thought...

tā lām wāw (ت ل و) always translated as RECITE but it is not NOT. tā lām wāw (ت ل و) = EDUCATE..

2945 Educate (atlu) with what is instilled (uhiya) in you through the Ordainment and uphold interactions, verily, interactions desist from the immodesties and the trivialities. While surely, the consideration (zikr) of Allah is more strenuous/tough. And Allah reveals what you work.

2272 “And when Our expositions (aya) are educated (tutla) to them as manifestations, you recognize trivialities through focus/attention of the ones who rejected. ..”

2948 And you were not educating (thatlu) through any ordainment before it and not documenting it with your right hand, in that case, surely suspected as the state of speculating/conjecturing (mubtiloon).

in verse 2948 'BiYameenKa' could be even 'Rightful possession'.. up to you though..

You might have read I stated that the Arabic word Yatlu is not RECITE. Now let's look at below..

qāf rā hamza (ق ر أ) = read / compose (this root is after Quran revelation and note that and did not exist during revelation)

qāf rā (ق ر) = distribute / resolve / settle / finalize / arrange / constitute / calm … In Al Quran this root is NOT READ, unfortunately.. Mostly in all verses they are either ‘finalize or settle’ while other above meanings also can be considered in certain verses but, NOT READ.

6919 So as for he who is to render his record in its influence/possession (BiYameeniHi), he will say, "Here you are, settle its record (iqra kitabeeh)!

1771 Day We will call forth every ethnicity (unas) with their foundation/leader. Then whoever to be rendered its record with its influence/possession- Those will settle/finalize (yaQra) their records, and not they will be wronged/mistreated of partiality.

7204 When the Quran is finalized (quria), heed (to) it and quell so that you receive mercy.

Here it is neither when Al Quran is RECITED nor READ but when FINALIZED/SETTLED. And this sīn mīm ʿayn (س م ع) root in this verse is not LISTEN but it means HEED. To HEED you do not necessarily listen to something. You can use any faculty to HEED including sound/listening while someone speaks.

Al Quran could mean ‘The Teaching/The Finalizer’.

1094 So if you are in doubt/confusion, about that which We have stemmed/originated to you, then ask those who are resolving/finalizing (yaQraun) the Scripture before you.

No point of asking from those who simply READ/RECITE.. It is indeed worth asking those who are RESOLVING/FINALIZING before him..

961 Resolve/Finalize (iqra) in your Lord's attribute, the one who Created.

963 Resolve/Finalize, while your Lord is the Noble.

He doesn't need to tell us to read the book. What is a book if not meant for reading? The purpose of the book is portrayed by Allah thru the word Iqra which is to Resolve.

jkhan

6919 So as for he who is to render his record in its influence/possession (BiYameeniHi), he will say, "Here you are, settle its record (iqra kitabeeh)!

People, I missed one word in the above verse.. corrected as under with bold

6919 So as for he who is to render his record in its influence/possession (BiYameeniHi), he will say, "Here you are, settle me its record (iqra kitabYeehi)

jkhan

Deen = COMMITMENT in every verse of Al Quran.

The language point of view is that commitment is the state of being dedicated to a cause, goal, or activity. It involves a strong sense of responsibility and the willingness to invest time, effort, and resources to achieve or maintain something. Commitment often requires consistency, discipline, and persistence, especially when faced with challenges or distractions.

1102 While you will see mankind/people admitting through Commitment (deen) of Allah/The Savior in a cluster.

14 Controller/Possessor of Day of the Commitment (Al Deen)

1096 For you is your commitment, and for me is my commitment (deen).

985 And not they were commanded except to rely on (ya’budu) Allah/The Savior in acting/energizing (mukhliseen) of the Commitment (al deen) to Him of natural propensity /proclivity (hunfa) and to uphold the interaction (sala) and render the purity (zaka), and that is a commitment (deen) of the integrity.

53 “ … Today, I have perfected to you Commitment (deen) of yours and accomplished upon you my blessings and approved for you the Assent/Mandate (Al Islam) as commitment (deen). …”

Al Islam = The Assent and it is not a religion but Al Islam is an assent/mandate where law/governance is applied while Al Quran is complete guidance. Al Islam is not everything but it is just a segment that one has to follow. One should commit to Assent/Mandate (Al Islam) and cannot seek other options i.e. mandates/assents.

385 Whoever desires/seeks outside the Assent/mandate (al Islam) as commitment (deen) then never will be accepted from him.

The Mandate is not everything that Allah has approved, the complete Quran is guidance and wisdom for the seeker. Mandate/assent (al Islam) is just for judgment purposes fundamentally connected with the law to abide by. The complete Quran is not a Law but wisdom to reflect.

jkhan

Let’s see what Ilm ayn lām mīm (ع ل م) in Quran’s tone. ayn lām mīm (ع ل م) = Reveal / realize / make aware / revelation/knowledge i.e awareness from unawareness.

Absolutely! Realization, knowledge, and revelation are deeply interconnected concepts, forming a dynamic relationship that underpins how humans understand truth. And it is ONE WORD in Arabic ayn lām mīm (ع ل م)

Reveal often leads to realization i.e. knowledge

Realization sparks curiosity
You become aware of a question, gap in understanding, or mystery
Revelation bridges the gap
A discovery, insight, or disclosure reveals answers
Knowledge is internalized
The revealed truth becomes knowledge, stored as fact or understanding.

2151 Similarly, We dispatched (arsal) amidst you a Dispatcher/Updater (Rasool) through you, educating to you Our expositions (aya) and purifying/clarifying you and revealing (Yuallim) you the ordainment (kitab) and the judgment (hikma) and REVEALING to you that you were not REALIZING (tha’lamun).

In the above verse, REVEAL and REALIZE are connected by one word or root ayn lām mīm (ع ل م )

Dispatcher/Updater Yaqub said this statement…1286 “…and I reveal through Allah that you do not realize.”

The above statement is NOT ‘I know from Allah that you don’t know’ as traditionally translated. Yaqub as a Dispatcher receives updates and he reveals what his sons don’t realize/are aware.

This is what Allah said in response to the concerns of Controllers/Malaika … 2030 Allah said, “Indeed, I reveal (a’lam) which you do not realize (tha’lam).”

Malaika knows, that Allah knows everything, and there is no need for confirmation from Allah to say ‘Indeed, I know which you do not know’ .. But the real statement was ‘Allah said, “Indeed, I reveal which you do not realize.”

Now let’s concentrate on the same verse (2151) about the meaning of Rasool = Dispatcher / Updater. It has a more in-depth meaning than Messenger/Send. Risala = Dispatch (noun). This Dispatcher is an UPDATER. I may have used as Messenger in the past, but it is clear not Messenger but Dispatcher.

rā sīn lām (ر س ل) = Dispatch / update / refresh

1263 “ …. O our father, it has been objected on us the weight, so dispatch (arsal) along with us our brother to get weighed. ..”

Extra note remember in Al Quran Al Kaiyl wal Meezan is not ‘Measure and Weight’ but the phrase is ‘The Weight and the Measure’. Thus Meezan = Measure/scale, Al Kayil = Weight.

144 “And We did not dispatch any dispatcher/updater (rasool) save in the eloquence (bilisan) of his residents/citizens (qawm) to manifest for them. ..”

Side note; Here in the above verse 'BiLisan' is not language.. Indeed Quran is in Arabic. agreed.. But the verse states 'in the eloquence'.. That's why Rasool could communicate to children of Isreal or Yahudi and Nasara while they had different languages but they were eloquent in arabic as well.. so residents/qawm were eloquent in Arabic so addressed the Rasool to them as well.
for example, if you live in the States, your mother tongue may not be English but you are eloquent enough to know the laws of that nation in English coz you are residents/citizens of the US..

jkhan

Hello..

Let's see what is NIKAH in certain verses other than marriage verses..

3350 “O you the Luminary / Al Nabi, verily We permitted to you your inherent traits, (aswaj) of them which you brought forth as prerogatives (ujura) as well what your destiny controlled, through what Allah restored to you, while the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who forsaken your company while a professed life-partner who concurred her character towards the Luminary/Nabi that intended the Luminary, to comingle – i.e. socialize (nikah) her as chosen for you in comparison to the faithful ones. Certainly, We revealed what We indicated/marked (fard) upon them through their inherent traits (aswaj) and what they possessed of their destiny (ma malakat aymanahun), to weigh against the possibility of any discomfort for you. ..”

3351 You facilitate what you cause through them and take responsibility for what you do. If you rebel against or withdraw from something, there is no blame on you. This is amicability—it comforts their feelings, so they do not grieve but are pleased with what you have given them, each of them. And Allah reveals through what is in your thoughts.

3352 Don’t allow to you the oblivion/absent-mindedness, on top of that (min ba’d) don’t alter in them through traits (aswaj) even if impressed you with their equitability (hasan) except what had controlled your destiny ( ma malakat yaminuka), and Allah had in each act/cause vigil.

NIKAH = SOCIALIZE in the below verses and not Marriage. Even in verse 3350 it is socialize. Nikah has the meaning of Marriage as well like 423

42 “And render the orphans their belongings/possessions (amwalaHum) and do not change the inferiority with good. And do not consume/devour their possessions/belongings into your belongings. Indeed, that is a great crime.”

The above verse is all about Orphans and the application of rights for them.. And the custodian’s responsibility while they have orphans..

43 “And if you feared that you are not able to rationalize/vindicate concerning the orphans, then (nikah) comingle i.e. socialize those that you opted from the girls, two at a time or three at a time or four at a time. But if you feared that you are not able to rationalize/vindicate, then one or what controlled your destiny. That is more apt that you do not suffer/endure.”

44 “And render the girls their honor (sadaqatuhunna) and if they prospered to you about a cause of feeling from it, absorb/internalize (kul) it of ease in satisfaction ……”

Then immediately the above verse states, once socialized to give them their honor (sadaq) and that is confidence for them…Through socialization, they may fall in love with someone and try to absorb what they say and satisfy with ease.

additional verse for your thoughts...

The below verse is one of the characteristics of Mumin/faithful ones..

235-6 And the ones are they, to their resistance (furuj), sustainers; except upon their life partners or else what controlled their destiny (ma malakat aymanhum), then they are out of blameworthy

If you compare this with any traditional or any available translation, you will notice a contrast difference.

jkhan

Allah did not turn any human being into Apes and Swine .. Al Tagut = Negative entities.

560 "Say, Shall I inform you of more perplexing than the recompense from Allah? It is those whom Allah has cursed, upon whom His anger has fallen, and whom He made abjections (al-Qirada) and decadences (al-Khanazeer), and enslaved to the negative entities (al Tagut). They are in a state of perplexity and are the farthest astray from the balance of the tenet."

In the above verse, there are no apes and swine, as every translation depicts. It's all misconceptions. Al Tagut is not transgression or false deities but precisely Negative entities that leads from light to darkness to put them in absolute perplexity from which there is no escape.These negativities are indeed a curse.. No UTurn from them if Allah subjected or enslaved to these negativities

let me add a beautiful verse to this thread..

2780 Indeed, you will not make the diabolical/insane (AlMawtha) to heed, nor will you make the reckless (Alsummu) to heed the call when they have turned their backs retreating.

Normally AlMawtha is translated as dead person but in such verses it means diabolical/insane person. Meanwhile Alsummu is not physically deaf person but it means reckless/heedless person in this verse and that's why they TURN their Backs.
That's the conundrum with most on the Earth..

jkhan

Jalibuhunna = Their Get-togethers and not draw their veil or garments as traditionally translated.

3359 O you the Luminary/Al Nabi, say to your spouses and your daughters, and womenfolk of the faithful ones to converge upon them through their get-togethers/gatherings (jalibuhunna). That is appropriate that they be recognized so as not to be pestered.

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ZeenathuHunna = Their Dignities

Pay attention and read and immerse in the two below verses to get it right..

2430 “Assert to the faithful ones (masculine), that they restrain (yaghdud) through their insights (absar) and sustain their resistance (furuj). That is purer for them …”

2431 Meanwhile, assert to the faithful ones (feminine) that they restrain (yaghdud) through their insights (absar) and sustain their resistance (furuj) and let not display their dignities except what is backed by from it. And let them transcend (Yadhrib) with their transformations (khumr) carrying into their bosoms (juyub) and let not they display their dignities except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their absent-mindedness, or what controlled their destiny, or the pursuing outside the wings of the virtues (Uli al Irbah) from the desperations (rajul), or the tender aged ones who are not caring to the exposures(awrath) of the oblivion. And let not transcend with their desperations to reveal what they are hiding from their dignities…”

jkhan

231 Certainly, succeeded, the faithful.

232 And they are the ones who in their connections (salat) apprehensive (khashiun)

233 And they are the ones, concerning the malice (laghw) averting.

234 And they are the ones for their purity fulfillers.

235-6 “And they are the ones to their resistance—sustainers, except upon their (inherent) traits or else what controlled their destiny (ma malakat aymanhum), then they are beyond blameworthy.

237 Then whoever sought besides that, those are they, the trespassers.

238 And they are the ones for their confidence (amanat) and their covenants tending.

239 And they are the ones upon their interactions (salawat) sustainers.

2310 Those are they, the inheritors.

Note I apologize, previously I shared one of these verses that was not updated.

jkhan

2223 Your womenfolk are gain/profit for you, so manage/treat your gain as you acted/caused it and thrive for yourselves. And be conscientious of Allah/The Savior and realize that you are encountering Him ..."

When you read traditional translations, you will see what their hearts intend through Quran support. Shame on them, everything they have turned into sex and lust.. just read as it deserves.

"Your womenfolk are gain/profit for you"
This suggests that women are a source of blessing, strength, and value to their families or communities. The term "gain" implies that women contribute significantly to the well-being, stability, and prosperity of society.
"So treat your gain as you acted/caused it"
This part emphasizes responsibility and reciprocity. "treat your gain" means to honor, respect, and care for women in a way that reflects how you have acted or caused their roles to develop. It suggests that the way women are treated should align with the value they bring. If women are a source of gain, then they deserve to be treated with dignity, fairness, and support.
"And thrive for yourselves"
"Thrive for yourselves" suggests that this effort benefits everyone, as a community or family that uplifts its womenfolk reaps the rewards of their contributions.

This is how they fooled us

2223 Our wives are as fields for you. You may enter your fields from any place you want. Reserve something good for your souls (for the life hereafter). Have fear of God and know that you are going to meet Him. (Muhammad) give the glad news to the believers.

Is that Al Quran? Is that the Message from Allah? Shame on them.

2222 They ask you about the state of Menarche/coming of age (Al Maheedh), Say, it is a state of vulnerability/tenderness (aza). So, leave the woman in a state of vulnerability/tenderness and do not occupy them until they get clarified. Then when they got clarified, render them through what was commanded by Allah.

When asked about the significance of menarche or coming of age, the response is that it represents a state of vulnerability and tenderness. This phase is a delicate and transformative time in a young woman’s life, both physically and emotionally.
During this phase of vulnerability and tenderness, the woman (or young girl) should be given space and time to process this transition. "Do not occupy them" suggests avoiding imposing additional burdens, pressures, or demands on her until she has had time to adjust and understand her new state.

Unfortunately, Traditional people translated it as MENSTRUATION of their wives, and seems they are in a hurry as soon as menstruation is done. How shame. Are these lessons from the Quran? Is this a wise book? Is that even a question to a Messenger by those faithful ones? Don’t they even know what menstruation is? Reflect people…

jkhan

2223 Your womenfolk are gain/profit for you, so manage/treat your gain as you acted/caused it and thrive for yourselves. And be conscientious of Allah/The Savior and realize that you are encountering Him ..."

When you read traditional translations, you will see what their hearts intend through Quran support. Shame on them, everything they have turned into sex and lust.. just read as it deserves.

"Your womenfolk are gain/profit for you"
This suggests that women are a source of blessing, strength, and value to their families or communities. The term "gain" implies that women contribute significantly to the well-being, stability, and prosperity of society.
"So treat your gain as you acted/caused it"
This part emphasizes responsibility and reciprocity. "treat your gain" means to honor, respect, and care for women in a way that reflects how you have acted or caused their roles to develop. It suggests that the way women are treated should align with the value they bring. If women are a source of gain, then they deserve to be treated with dignity, fairness, and support.
"And thrive for yourselves"
"Thrive for yourselves" suggests that this effort benefits everyone, as a community or family that uplifts its womenfolk reaps the rewards of their contributions.

This is how they fooled us

2223 Our wives are as fields for you. You may enter your fields from any place you want. Reserve something good for your souls (for the life hereafter). Have fear of God and know that you are going to meet Him. (Muhammad) give the glad news to the believers.

Is that Al Quran? Is that the Message from Allah? Shame on them.

2222 They ask you about the state of Menarche/coming of age (Al Maheedh), Say, it is a state of vulnerability/tenderness (aza). So, leave the woman in a state of vulnerability/tenderness and do not occupy them until they get clarified. Then when they got clarified, render them through what was commanded by Allah.

When asked about the significance of menarche or coming of age, the response is that it represents a state of vulnerability and tenderness. This phase is a delicate and transformative time in a young woman’s life, both physically and emotionally.
During this phase of vulnerability and tenderness, the woman (or young girl) should be given space and time to process this transition. "Do not occupy them" suggests avoiding imposing additional burdens, pressures, or demands on her until she has had time to adjust and understand her new state.

Unfortunately, Traditional people translated it as MENSTRUATION of their wives, and seems they are in a hurry as soon as menstruation is done. How shame. Are these lessons from the Quran? Is this a wise book? Is that even a question to a Messenger by those faithful ones? Don’t they even know what menstruation is? Reflect people…

below are your Messenger RASHAD KHALIFA's translations

Menstruation

They ask you about menstruation say, "It is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by GOD. GOD loves the repenters, and He loves those who are clean."

Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers.

Don't you feel shame to take these junks of translations and claim Rashad Kalifa as your messenger? Awaken people. There is no second chance.. reflect... Is that all your Messenger knew?

good_logic

Welcome back jkhan.

From my study of Qoran , no one is immune from some bad translations of certain verses of Qoran.
Do you think me ,you, Rashad or any other human is capable of translating every verse of Qoran without error?
That simply means human= errs = lack of complete knowledge=..

For example I find your translation with certain issues, like,quote

2222 They ask you about the state of Menarche/coming of age (Al Maheedh), Say, it is a state of vulnerability/tenderness (aza). So, leave the woman in a state of vulnerability/tenderness and do not occupy them until they get clarified. Then when they got clarified, render them through what was commanded by Allah.
1- Where do you get Al Maheedh means coming of age?
2-Vulnerability and tenderness are two different things and can apply to older and young people.
3-What does "do not occupy them" mean in that verse- How and what we "do not occupy"?
4-How can they get clarified and by whom? What do you mean?
5-Render them what? What was commanded by Allah in the context of the verse/s?

You see brother, many translations leave a lot of issues . This apply to all of us.
That is why GOD has asked every individual to ponder His words and each one will be held accountable for his/her own interpretations that lead to their actions.
GOD will sort out the differences, and many differences will remain until then.
GOD bless you brother,
Peace.

jkhan

Welcome back jkhan.

From my study of Qoran , no one is immune from some bad translations of certain verses of Qoran.
Do you think me ,you, Rashad or any other human is capable of translating every verse of Qoran without error?
That simply means human= errs = lack of complete knowledge=..

For example I find your translation with certain issues, like,quote

2222 They ask you about the state of Menarche/coming of age (Al Maheedh), Say, it is a state of vulnerability/tenderness (aza). So, leave the woman in a state of vulnerability/tenderness and do not occupy them until they get clarified. Then when they got clarified, render them through what was commanded by Allah.
1- Where do you get Al Maheedh means coming of age?
2-Vulnerability and tenderness are two different things and can apply to older and young people.
3-What does "do not occupy them" mean in that verse- How and what we "do not occupy"?
4-How can they get clarified and by whom? What do you mean?
5-Render them what? What was commanded by Allah in the context of the verse/s?

You see brother, many translations leave a lot of issues . This apply to all of us.
That is why GOD has asked every individual to ponder His words and each one will be held accountable for his/her own interpretations that lead to their actions.
GOD will sort out the differences, and many differences will remain until then.
GOD bless you brother,
Peace.

Hi, I Hope you are doing good..
Yes, no one can translate the same carbon copy of Al Quran to another language but when Allah guides one can translate the exact meaning of what Allah meant by Al Quran and not something else instead. Got it? Otherwise, what one translated is sheer waste of effort and on top of that manifest misguidance from Allah Himself. What Allah meant has not reached to readers through one’s translations. If Allah has not guided with the Quran, no one can translate Al Quran to mean what Allah spoke, and will become an utter failure with time..
Having said that, just because you have concerns, there doesn't need to be concerns or issues with them. It could be either your inability to perceive it or your biasedness or preoccupied mind..
I definitely thought you were better at English but I think I was wrong..

It is from the root. Menstruation can happen for the very first time or monthly and there is no point in asking about Menstruation as if they want to have sex during menstruation when no women would allow it naturally and men are already well aware to avoid those few days and it is disgusting for them naturally. Everyone knows such a basic level. Unfortunately, you seem alien to it.
Vulnerable and tender has same meaning if you take the meaning I meant. You better verify it with a dictionary. Yes I keep synonyms since what I translate is not a carbon copy of Quran but my effort is to pass the message what people did not get from Al Quran (Arabic) with available translations.
Again your weakness in English is exposed by asking ‘What does occupy meaning’. Lol.. a little girl has become a big woman as they say, and let her realize, let her get self clarity of her transition by not compelling anything to teach her natural process. Cus this phase is vulnerable i.e tender. You know what tender means? I am not talking about soft and gentle but tender i.e. vulnerability.
Why don’t you get what Allah says.. Leave them alone.. let them go through this phase.. No one needs to be involved and occupied in their business for some time.. it will be clarified to them naturally.
But once they clarified themselves, big business commences. They are not children anymore and that’s why Allah immediately called Nissa/Woman.. The command is to approach them with what is revealed to everyone.. Just because they became big girls, don’t dump everything on them all of a sudden, it is the gradual step to let them know from the grassroots level about what they have to do in life from their onwards. But once they clarified their new phase of life only not before that.

I don’t need to explain all this. The verse is clear, but you have something else in your mind so the verse is not giving you reflection according to what Allah spoke, unfortunately. That’s how traditional people faltered. Arabic is clear, but they did not approach Allah to guide them, instead, they used the lens that they preferred. so they ended up with some other useless meaning of the verse propelled by Satan. So, Arabic knowledge did not help them at all.
This is too much, next time I won’t entertain such long answers for meaningless questions that you should have reflected on your own. what's wrong with you big brother.. confused

meanwhile Allah has never forbidden having sex during menstruation.. let them not approach during menstruation is misconception. menstruation is from vagina and why not reach from anything else? Has Allah forbidden anus sex.. it is all about their physical business and Allah doesn't care what they do when they both agree. Everyone with knowledge and experience should know what not to do that is affecting bodily health..

Thank you my dear fellow faithful brother..
remember my topic.. no compulsion.. Reach to that Sirat al musthaqeem i.e. Path of uniformity.. Only Allah can take you there, but if you allow only wholeheartedly.

Note everyone ; Allah only provides spiritual cleans and not talking about physical purification and that is within the knowledge built-in with a person. Allah's Quran is all about WHAT TO DO and not HOW TO DO leaving our freewill open..

good_logic

Peace jkhan.

So it makes sense to you. Sorry brother it does not make sense to me .
You are using English words that you have chosen, You are calling it "guidance".That is fine by me, you are entitled to seek your own guidance.

I am saying 2222 and 2223 are connected and are the same subject and context. Your translation does not connect the two or make sense to me.
However, it does not matter really . I have asked my questions and I will not seek any more clarification.
This is what happens across the ages, people always follow what makes sense to them or what they are forced/fed/convinced by.
I will stick to what make sense to me.
Thank you for your answers.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

Peace jkhan.

So it makes sense to you. Sorry brother it does not make sense to me .
You are using English words that you have chosen, You are calling it "guidance".That is fine by me, you are entitled to seek your own guidance.

I am saying 2222 and 2223 are connected and are the same subject and context. Your translation does not connect the two or make sense to me.
However, it does not matter really . I have asked my questions and I will not seek any more clarification.
This is what happens across the ages, people always follow what makes sense to them or what they are forced/fed/convinced by.
I will stick to what make sense to me.
Thank you for your answers.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Hi..
Yeah, take what makes sense to you. But ensure "what makes sense" means. Yes of course you can reject my translation and no compulsion and I am not here to convince anyone but to herald Allah's messages in a different language. Of course, you can reject Quran as well, Yep, no compulsion. Something might have made sense to you right? stick with it. But, there is always something called misguidance. And, ensure that what made sense is not part of misguidance.

Finally, Allah spoke ONE core meaning by every verse and approach it and if you and me have approached then Allah has guided us with those verses if not at loss. So ensure the phrase 'what makes sense' with utmost effort and not by emotional stuff.. let me remind you with a verse, perhaps you can figure out what 'what makes sense' is.

246 If they do not engage with the explication (al ardh), how will their thoughts reason with it, or their understanding heed it? So indeed, it is not the insight (basar) that is confounded (thama); rather, it is the thoughts (Qalb) arising from consciousness(sudur) that are confounded.”

Note everyone there are many religions and sects in the world and they claim 'that makes sense' for them and that's why they are devoted to it. But what makes sense is not the answer, but what Allah spoke should make sense to us.

jkhan

Hi all.. hope, you all doing good as with what Allah caused.

Since I was involved with Brother Amin regarding Sala definition, I thought of sharing these two verses, and hope I did not share them before.

56 O you the ones who professed, when you undertook (KumTum; perfect verb) to the interaction (salah), then compress (fa’ghsiloo) your focus (wajh) and your influence (aydekum) to the soundness (Marafiq) and describe through your despairs (ru’usukum) and your difficulties (rajl) to the double knots (strength). But, if you were distracted (junb) then cleanse. But, if you were of dejection (mardha) or upon a recovery (safar) or anyone of you reached at from the depression/downwards or touched the oblivion/absent-mindedness, so not you will find embellishment/elaboration(maa), so endeavor (thayamam) proper ascension/progression, then set forth (masah) your focus (wajh) and your influence (aydekum) with it. Allah does not intend to make hardships for you, but He intends to cleanse you and accomplish His blessings upon you that you may shukr/put forth (exertion of actions).

Note here Interaction (salah) is while the Dispatcher/Rasool is educating with the verses of Quran believers listening/questioning thus clarifying their doubts. But how to encounter the Interaction when you already undertook to participate in Sala/Interaction is clearly explained in verse 56 and unfortunately, not traditional Wudu. This verse is beyond clarity that when someone UNDERTOOK salah, then follow the steps so then one can come out with clarity during the Salah/Interaction session.

443 “O you the ones who professed, occupy not the Interaction (al sala) while you are angry (sukara) eventually/until you realize what you assert while not distracted (junb) save scrutinizing (abiri) of tenets until you compress (gusl). But, if you were of dejection (mardha) or upon a recovery (safar) or anyone of you reached at from the depression/downwards or touched the oblivion/absent-mindedness, so not you will find embellishment/elaboration(maa), so endeavor (thayamam) proper ascension/progression, then set forth (masah) your attention/focus (wajh) and your pursuance/influence (aydekum). …”

When you read these two verses with close scrutiny, one thing one will realize is the PURPOSE of SALA when the Rasool educates with Quran verses what one has to apply... Similarly, there is no Rasool now, and we can take from these verses when we self-study the Quran, etc to apply the above criteria..

Allah is in no need to explain how to physically clean oneself. Allah has given us that basic inbuilt knowledge. Use your brain if someone wants to clean physically, that would work in their own way. Allah always targets SPIRITUAL cleanse as guidance.

jkhan

Do you think Allah wants from us a ritual prayer? Well, decide with these verses..

Very crucial verses if you happen to grasp them..

hā jīm rā (ه ج ر) = migrate/evolve (spiritual/none physical evolution from one state to another). It has the meaning of physical migration as well but, the context of the verse is spiritual migration/evolution.

4100 “Meanwhile, whoever evolves (hjr) into the tenet of Allah would find through the exposition (ard), plenty of pride (muraghaman) and vastness. While, whoever evolves from his awakening (bayt) of evolution (muhajira) to Allah and His Dispatcher/Rasool, subsequently, arrests/checks him the death, then certainly incumbent his reward upon Allah…”

here Ard is the exposition of Quran. i.e orienting with it.

4101 When you exemplified through the exposition, so not upon you blame that you fall short from the butt through the interaction (salawat) that you hesitated that he may tempt you, the one who rejects. Indeed, the rejecting ones used to be manifest hostilities for you.

*Here, If you exemplify through exposition, the blame for any misunderstanding lies not with you but with what others take from the interaction.

4102 When you (singular) were among them (aforesaid muhajir/evolvers who attend interaction/salawat) and happened to uphold for them the Interaction (salawat), so let it be (fal’thaqum) a circulation/dissemination (thaif) among them alongside/accompanied you and let them seize their mutes/silence (aslihathahum). So, when they have acknowledged (sajad), let them be from behind you. And let there be another dissemination, missing to interact; so, let them interact accompanying you, and let them seize(yahuzu) their awarenesses (hizrahum) and their mutes (aslihathhum). The ones who rejected preferred that you be indifferent through your silence/mutes and your enjoyment(matha), so they deviate (fayamilu) upon you only deviation. But no blame to you if you were to be with the vulnerability of nervousness or you were downcast that you relieve your mutes but, seize your awareness…”

*(wal yahuzu Hizrahum waAslihatahum) mean… Let them find their voice and speak up, breaking free from what holds them back from mutes.

Finally ratification of the Interaction that you participated ..

4103 When you have concluded the interaction (salawat) then consider Allah embracing, and undertaking, while at your discretion (wa’ala junubkum), but when you contented, (atmantum) then ratify (fa’aqeem) the interaction (salawat). Verily the interaction was placed upon the faithful ones as an appointed ordainment.

As a faithful one of that era, it was his duty to attend all Interaction sessions without fail as much as possible, but when the Interaction is concluded it was his own duty to Consider Allah through embracing whatever educated in the interaction session and undertake it and at his own discretion and once contented just ratify/verify what he learned. and that's finalization.. For us we have to study the Quran and do the same process but self through Allah's guidance.

simply, after an interaction ends, take time to reflect on it—embrace its lessons and take responsibility for it, but do so in a way that feels right to you. Once you feel content with the interaction, you can affirm its value and move forward.

good_logic

Brother jkhan.

I see where you are coming from . I have been there. It is called a journey towards your own awareness.

Qoran strips you bare and you are trying to clothe yourself. There will be what fits and there will be many that will not fit .
Do you think we do not get tried with guidance?
There will come a time when you reach somewhere and do a 180 or even a 360 turn or stay on the same track or ...even wanting to give up will not be out of what is ahead in this journey.

I take your advice that I may be misguided, that can be possible but what is more dangerous is to think guidance is not part of GOD s trial. The ego can easily turn it into misguidance and GOD will let the ego play its part .
I am being honest ,reading your translation, I am none the wiser and most of it is not making sense to me at all. You are using too many general and vague words that are left to guess work and confusion and do not resemble the translated Arabic words of the original.
Like you say, and I agree with you, it may not be beneficial to both of us to debate.

But I am not going to prolong my involvement in your threads or be in your way. I respect your choices
I wish you the best in your journey.
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.