The false narrative : Changing GOD s religion "true Islam"
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Peace Fusion.
Then why call a different system "Islam to GOD"?
I commend all those who strive with Qoran.We have not got the basics right , we have no right to call another religion "Islam" when we know Traditional Islam is not a religion from GOD and contradicts GOD s religion and ways.
Qoran keeps repeating that the "straight path"(our conduct here as humans) and calls it "Wisdom",like the wisdom of Luqman, Abraham is to follow GOD Alone and His system/dean.
Yes concentrating on the simple message of Qoran . Upholding the "straight path" -like justice,helping others,living as a unit family,being "GOD conscious" and upholding high morals(love,honesty,good thoughts,trust,...) all the qualities required /instructed by GOD( Al-Haqq) that keeps us from being destructive and fighting each other.
These are the basics that we need to highlight and preach/ true Islam/submission to GOD s system.. . "Straighten up each individual so that the whole community is straight and in harmony" .This clear(no ambiguity whatsoever in it) message is the basic that will set up the agenda of GOD s Deen.
For example the Traditional "Muslim" countries have millions of facilities for teaching hadiths and reciting (yes,parroting,sorry to say so) Qoran, but not one institution/facility to ponder/investigate Qoran . It is almost as they are afraid for their people to come across its treasure of knowledge.
So,why should we not clarify/preach true "Islam" and highlight the big misconception that Traditional Islam is not the true Islam
GOD s religion has these as its basic pillars ( these are the most important pillars in it)
Submission and total loyalty to GOD Alone.
Justice.
Honesty.
Trust.
Help and care.
Well being of the brothers and sisters.
Family/community health (environment,self and social)
Good works and good morals.These must be fundamentals before any of what Traditional Muslims call worship rituals. This will turn the Deen into a "straight path".
"Kuntum Khaira Ummatin..."Applied for a few years when the prophet was alive,then Shayateen took over!!!!We have proof of that in Qoran;" Innaka Mayitun Wa Innahum Mayitoon, Thumma Innakum Yawma Alqiyamati Takhtasimoon" i.e you will die(Prophet" and they will die(Those who took over after you-Traditional Islam-) then on the day of judgement you will "Takhtasinmoom"( Argue/disagree/be opposites). Yes the prophet will clearly be against his umma.
Besides a true Muslim can exist in any religion or without any man s religion.
GOD bless you.
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GL, I respect your effort in understanding the Quran, but your argument assumes that everyone outside your interpretation is misguided. That is a narrow way to see things.
You say traditional Islam is not from God, but Islam has always been practiced within societies, and human interpretation is unavoidable. The Quran emphasizes justice, honesty, and morality, but it also provides laws on inheritance, legal matters, and social conduct. If everything was self-evident, why does the Quran itself call for reflection and wisdom?
You pointed out that Muslim countries have institutions focused on hadith and recitation rather than deep understanding of the Quran. While this may be true in some cases, it does not mean everyone is blindly following without reflection. There have been scholars, thinkers, and reformers throughout history who have engaged deeply with the Quran. Dismissing an entire civilization’s intellectual effort as mere parroting is an oversimplification.
Your claim that after the Prophet “Shayateen took over” contradicts the Quran’s promise that God will protect His message. If true Islam was lost, are you saying God failed to safeguard it? Billions of people across centuries have strived to submit to God...dismissing them all as misguided ignores reality.
And if, as you say, a true Muslim can exist in any religion or without any religion, then why insist on labeling others as followers of a hijacked system? You cannot have it both ways.
Submission to God includes humility, not just the certainty that you alone have it figured out.
Peace.
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Peace Fusion.
I will try and answer this part here,quote"GL, I respect your effort in understanding the Quran, but your argument assumes that everyone outside your interpretation is misguided. That is a narrow way to see things."
First let us agree on GOD s argument here in Qoran about what Islam is and its origin since mankind walked the earth. I am saying to you what is said here by Abraham and those who followed Islam after him
As Abraham raised the foundations of the Beyt, together with Ismail (they prayed) "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient.
وَإِذ يَرفَعُ إِبرٰهـۧمُ القَواعِدَ مِنَ البَيتِ وَإِسمٰعيلُ رَبَّنا تَقَبَّل مِنّا إِنَّكَ أَنتَ السَّميعُ العَليمُ
"Our Lord, make us Muslimeen to You, and from our descendants let there be a community of Muslims to You. Teach us the rites of our religion, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer, Most Merciful.
رَبَّنا وَاجعَلنا مُسلِمَينِ لَكَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِنا أُمَّةً مُسلِمَةً لَكَ وَأَرِنا مَناسِكَنا وَتُب عَلَينا إِنَّكَ أَنتَ التَّوّابُ الرَّحيمُ
"Our Lord, and raise among them a messenger to recite to them Your revelations, teach them the scripture and wisdom, and purify them. You are the Almighty, Most Wise."
رَبَّنا وَابعَث فيهِم رَسولًا مِنهُم يَتلوا عَلَيهِم ءايٰتِكَ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الكِتٰبَ وَالحِكمَةَ وَيُزَكّيهِم إِنَّكَ أَنتَ العَزيزُ الحَكيمُ
Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.
وَمَن يَرغَبُ عَن مِلَّةِ إِبرٰهـۧمَ إِلّا مَن سَفِهَ نَفسَهُ وَلَقَدِ اصطَفَينٰهُ فِى الدُّنيا وَإِنَّهُ فِى الـٔاخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصّٰلِحينَWhen his Lord said to him, Aslim/ "Submit," he said, "I submit to the Lord of the universe."
إِذ قالَ لَهُ رَبُّهُ أَسلِم قالَ أَسلَمتُ لِرَبِّ العٰلَمينَ
Moreover, Abraham exhorted his children to do the same, and so did Jacob "O my children, God has pointed out the religion for you; do not die except as Muslims."
وَوَصّىٰ بِها إِبرٰهـۧمُ بَنيهِ وَيَعقوبُ يٰبَنِىَّ إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصطَفىٰ لَكُمُ الدّينَ فَلا تَموتُنَّ إِلّا وَأَنتُم مُسلِمونَ
Had you witnessed Jacob on his death bed; he said to his children, "What will you Ubudun after I die?" They said, "We will Ubud/follow/serve... your GOD; the GOD of your fathers Abraham, Ismail, and Isaac; the one GOD. To Him we are Muslims."
أَم كُنتُم شُهَداءَ إِذ حَضَرَ يَعقوبَ المَوتُ إِذ قالَ لِبَنيهِ ما تَعبُدونَ مِن بَعدى قالوا نَعبُدُ إِلٰهَكَ وَإِلٰهَ ءابائِكَ إِبرٰهـۧمَ وَإِسمٰعيلَ وَإِسحٰقَ إِلٰهًا وٰحِدًا وَنَحنُ لَهُ مُسلِمونَ
Such is a community from the past. They are responsible for what they earned, and you are responsible for what you earned. You are not answerable for anything they have done.
تِلكَ أُمَّةٌ قَد خَلَت لَها ما كَسَبَت وَلَكُم ما كَسَبتُم وَلا تُسـَٔلونَ عَمّا كانوا يَعمَلونَIs this Traditional Islam? What is it then?
GOD s religion is Islam/ GOD s system never changesSuch is God's system, and whose system is better than God's? "Him alone we Ubud/follow /serve."
صِبغَةَ اللَّهِ وَمَن أَحسَنُ مِنَ اللَّهِ صِبغَةً وَنَحنُ لَهُ عٰبِدونَ
Say, "Do you argue with us about God, when He is our Lord and your Lord? We are responsible for our deeds, and you are responsible for your deeds. To Him alone we are devoted."
قُل أَتُحاجّونَنا فِى اللَّهِ وَهُوَ رَبُّنا وَرَبُّكُم وَلَنا أَعمٰلُنا وَلَكُم أَعمٰلُكُم وَنَحنُ لَهُ مُخلِصونَAs for you and me and each individual I am not anyone s wakeel nor do I know their true conviction and I am not judging anyone I call everyone to this truce
The only religion approved by God is Islam/ "Submission." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of God's revelations, God is most strict in reckoning.
إِنَّ الدّينَ عِندَ اللَّهِ الإِسلٰمُ وَمَا اختَلَفَ الَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ إِلّا مِن بَعدِ ما جاءَهُمُ العِلمُ بَغيًا بَينَهُم وَمَن يَكفُر بِـٔايٰتِ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ سَريعُ الحِسابِIf they argue with you, then say, "I have simply Aslamtu/ submitted myself to God; I and those who follow me." You shall proclaim to those who received the scripture, as well as those who did not, "Would you Aslim/submit?" If they want Islam/to submit, then they have been guided, but if they turn away, your sole mission is to deliver this message. God is Seer of all people.
فَإِن حاجّوكَ فَقُل أَسلَمتُ وَجهِىَ لِلَّهِ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِ وَقُل لِلَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ وَالأُمِّيّـۧنَ ءَأَسلَمتُم فَإِن أَسلَموا فَقَدِ اهتَدَوا وَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَإِنَّما عَلَيكَ البَلٰغُ وَاللَّهُ بَصيرٌ بِالعِبادِOr shall we reject GOD s Islam and accept men s version?
Of course each to their choice
Each of you chooses the direction to follow; you shall race towards righteousness. Wherever you may be, God will summon you all. God is Omnipotent.
وَلِكُلٍّ وِجهَةٌ هُوَ مُوَلّيها فَاستَبِقُوا الخَيرٰتِ أَينَ ما تَكونوا يَأتِ بِكُمُ اللَّهُ جَميعًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلىٰ كُلِّ شَىءٍ قَديرٌMy argument is irrelevant brother.
GOD s argument is the one that matters.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Fusion.
Islam that started in the sixth century was a simple idea of one GOD the same Islam of all the generations that passed before Muhammed .
Muhammad was merely a messenger of God and not the messenger of Himself or his sunnahMuhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt God in the least. God rewards those who are appreciative.
وَما مُحَمَّدٌ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَفَإِي۟ن ماتَ أَو قُتِلَ انقَلَبتُم عَلىٰ أَعقٰبِكُم وَمَن يَنقَلِب عَلىٰ عَقِبَيهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ اللَّهَ شَيـًٔا وَسَيَجزِى اللَّهُ الشّٰكِرينَMuhammed would not dare pass on another message from him or others. Traditional Islam was not passed on by him.
The Qoran was perceived as containing a "simple message" in Arabic without complications"and the only message of Muhammed
God has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them.
اللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحسَنَ الحَديثِ كِتٰبًا مُتَشٰبِهًا مَثانِىَ تَقشَعِرُّ مِنهُ جُلودُ الَّذينَ يَخشَونَ رَبَّهُم ثُمَّ تَلينُ جُلودُهُم وَقُلوبُهُم إِلىٰ ذِكرِ اللَّهِ ذٰلِكَ هُدَى اللَّهِ يَهدى بِهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَمَن يُضلِلِ اللَّهُ فَما لَهُ مِن هادٍ.We have cited for the people every kind of example in this Qoran, that they may take heed.
وَلَقَد ضَرَبنا لِلنّاسِ فى هٰذَا القُرءانِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ لَعَلَّهُم يَتَذَكَّرونَ
An Arabic Qoran, without any ambiguity, that they may be righteous.
قُرءانًا عَرَبِيًّا غَيرَ ذى عِوَجٍ لَعَلَّهُم يَتَّقونَThere is no other hadith/message to accept or reject for GOD s deen/ Islam. GOD Alone as authority and source>
This is a revelation of the scripture, from God, the Almighty, the Wise.
تَنزيلُ الكِتٰبِ مِنَ اللَّهِ العَزيزِ الحَكيمِ
We sent down to you this scripture, truthfully; you shall Ubud/follow/serve... God, devoting your religion to Him alone.
إِنّا أَنزَلنا إِلَيكَ الكِتٰبَ بِالحَقِّ فَاعبُدِ اللَّهَ مُخلِصًا لَهُ الدّينَ
Absolutely, the religion shall be devoted to God alone. Those who set up idols beside Him say, "We idolize them only to bring us closer to God; for they are in a better position!" God will judge them regarding their disputes. God does not guide such liars, disbelievers.
أَلا لِلَّهِ الدّينُ الخالِصُ وَالَّذينَ اتَّخَذوا مِن دونِهِ أَولِياءَ ما نَعبُدُهُم إِلّا لِيُقَرِّبونا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلفىٰ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحكُمُ بَينَهُم فى ما هُم فيهِ يَختَلِفونَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لا يَهدى مَن هُوَ كٰذِبٌ كَفّارٌHere is what each individual should do if they follow true Islam
Say, "I have been commanded to Ubud/follow/serve... God, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone.
قُل إِنّى أُمِرتُ أَن أَعبُدَ اللَّهَ مُخلِصًا لَهُ الدّينَ
"And I was commanded to be the utmost Muslim."
وَأُمِرتُ لِأَن أَكونَ أَوَّلَ المُسلِمينَ
Say, "I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of a great day."
قُل إِنّى أَخافُ إِن عَصَيتُ رَبّى عَذابَ يَومٍ عَظيمٍ
Say, "God is the only One I Ubud/follow/serve..., devoting my religion absolutely to Him alone.
قُلِ اللَّهَ أَعبُدُ مُخلِصًا لَهُ دينى
"Therefore, Ubud whatever you wish besides Him." Say, "The real losers are those who lose their souls, and their families, on the Day of Resurrection." Most certainly, this is the real loss.
فَاعبُدوا ما شِئتُم مِن دونِهِ قُل إِنَّ الخٰسِرينَ الَّذينَ خَسِروا أَنفُسَهُم وَأَهليهِم يَومَ القِيٰمَةِ أَلا ذٰلِكَ هُوَ الخُسرانُ المُبينُ
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As for those who discard the worship of all idols, and devote themselves totally to God alone, they have deserved happiness. Give good news to My servants.
وَالَّذينَ اجتَنَبُوا الطّٰغوتَ أَن يَعبُدوها وَأَنابوا إِلَى اللَّهِ لَهُمُ البُشرىٰ فَبَشِّر عِبادِ
They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.
الَّذينَ يَستَمِعونَ القَولَ فَيَتَّبِعونَ أَحسَنَهُ أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ هَدىٰهُمُ اللَّهُ وَأُولٰئِكَ هُم أُولُوا الأَلبٰبِLet us reflect on GOD s words/message brother
If God renders one's heart content with true Islam/ Submission, he will be following a light from his Lord. Therefore, woe to those whose hearts are hardened against God's message; they have gone far astray.
أَفَمَن شَرَحَ اللَّهُ صَدرَهُ لِلإِسلٰمِ فَهُوَ عَلىٰ نورٍ مِن رَبِّهِ فَوَيلٌ لِلقٰسِيَةِ قُلوبُهُم مِن ذِكرِ اللَّهِ أُولٰئِكَ فى ضَلٰلٍ مُبينٍWe should heed GOD s advice
Is God not sufficient for His servant? They frighten you with the idols they set up beside Him. Whomever God sends astray, nothing can guide him.
أَلَيسَ اللَّهُ بِكافٍ عَبدَهُ وَيُخَوِّفونَكَ بِالَّذينَ مِن دونِهِ وَمَن يُضلِلِ اللَّهُ فَما لَهُ مِن هادٍ
And whomever God guides, nothing can send him astray. Is God not Almighty, Avenger?
وَمَن يَهدِ اللَّهُ فَما لَهُ مِن مُضِلٍّ أَلَيسَ اللَّهُ بِعَزيزٍ ذِىGOD bless you and guide us both.
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Peace Hawk.
Sometimes "Kitab" means a written/record . i.e everything is recorded at GOD s.These verses give us this context for example
Those who received the scripture rejoice in what was revealed to you; some others may reject parts of it. Say, "I am simply enjoined to Ubud God, and never associate any idols with Him. I invite to Him, and to Him is my ultimate destiny."
وَالَّذينَ ءاتَينٰهُمُ الكِتٰبَ يَفرَحونَ بِما أُنزِلَ إِلَيكَ وَمِنَ الأَحزابِ مَن يُنكِرُ بَعضَهُ قُل إِنَّما أُمِرتُ أَن أَعبُدَ اللَّهَ وَلا أُشرِكَ بِهِ إِلَيهِ أَدعوا وَإِلَيهِ مَـٔابِWe revealed these laws in Arabic, and if you ever acquiesce to their wishes, after this knowledge has come to you, you will have no ally, nor a protector, against God.
وَكَذٰلِكَ أَنزَلنٰهُ حُكمًا عَرَبِيًّا وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعتَ أَهواءَهُم بَعدَما جاءَكَ مِنَ العِلمِ ما لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن وَلِىٍّ وَلا واقٍWe have sent messengers before you, and we made them husbands with wives and children. No messenger can produce an Ayaat without God's authorization, and in accordance with a specific, predetermined time/period(already recorded at GOD).
وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا رُسُلًا مِن قَبلِكَ وَجَعَلنا لَهُم أَزوٰجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَما كانَ لِرَسولٍ أَن يَأتِىَ بِـٔايَةٍ إِلّا بِإِذنِ اللَّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتابٌGod erases whatever He wills, and fixes. With Him is the original Master Record(about everything that happens).i.e GOD s plan is already recorded.)
يَمحُوا اللَّهُ ما يَشاءُ وَيُثبِتُ وَعِندَهُ أُمُّ الكِتٰبِGOD bless you.
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Peace All,
Interesting thread, I was wondering, what do members think of the verse about "Umm al-Kitab".
God bless you all.
peace
Salam Hawk,
Based on the verses which contain this word and the surrounding verses -add to it what GL explained. I believe It is a common factor - sort of a meeting point where God's Absolute knowledge and the human realm of guidance connect.
Think of it as universal database of divine knowledge ==> the governing system of reality, where both revelation and destiny originate. The Quran which is revealed in Arabic originates from a divine record that holds all revelations given to humanity across time, think of it as an installment from that grand source, adapted for human understanding (else divine wisdom operates on a scale beyond human perception).
Since am from Technology background we have something called single source of truth and i consider meaning of Um Al Kitab as The Divine Database, the Origin of all information (a cosmic register of all data, all laws, all events).
So for example when the Quran says Allah can erase or confirm what He wills, means the rise and fall of Nations based on whether they follow divine principles, but all of it follows the laws contained in the “Divine Database” of Allah’s knowledge.
IN OTHER WORDS, nothing is random or chaotic; everything is according to sunnat Allah which is ultimately documented in the Mother of the Book.
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Peace Fusion, good logic.
Salam Hawk,
Think of it as universal database of divine knowledge ==> the governing system of reality, where both revelation and destiny originate. The Quran which is revealed in Arabic originates from a divine record that holds all revelations given to humanity across time, think of it as an installment from that grand source, adapted for human understanding (else divine wisdom operates on a scale beyond human perception).
Are you saying all truths are from the creator no matter the source? Am I to understand
from your point of view messengers from around the world throughout time were revealing what
was from the mother book?Peace Hawk.
Sometimes "Kitab" means a written/record . i.e everything is recorded at GOD s.These verses give us this context for example
Those who received the scripture rejoice in what was revealed to you; some others may reject parts of it. Say, "I am simply enjoined to Ubud God, and never associate any idols with Him. I invite to Him, and to Him is my ultimate destiny."
وَالَّذينَ ءاتَينٰهُمُ الكِتٰبَ يَفرَحونَ بِما أُنزِلَ إِلَيكَ وَمِنَ الأَحزابِ مَن يُنكِرُ بَعضَهُ قُل إِنَّما أُمِرتُ أَن أَعبُدَ اللَّهَ وَلا أُشرِكَ بِهِ إِلَيهِ أَدعوا وَإِلَيهِ مَـٔابِWe revealed these laws in Arabic, and if you ever acquiesce to their wishes, after this knowledge has come to you, you will have no ally, nor a protector, against God.
وَكَذٰلِكَ أَنزَلنٰهُ حُكمًا عَرَبِيًّا وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعتَ أَهواءَهُم بَعدَما جاءَكَ مِنَ العِلمِ ما لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن وَلِىٍّ وَلا واقٍWe have sent messengers before you, and we made them husbands with wives and children. No messenger can produce an Ayaat without God's authorization, and in accordance with a specific, predetermined time/period(already recorded at GOD).
وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا رُسُلًا مِن قَبلِكَ وَجَعَلنا لَهُم أَزوٰجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَما كانَ لِرَسولٍ أَن يَأتِىَ بِـٔايَةٍ إِلّا بِإِذنِ اللَّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتابٌGod erases whatever He wills, and fixes. With Him is the original Master Record(about everything that happens).i.e GOD s plan is already recorded.)
يَمحُوا اللَّهُ ما يَشاءُ وَيُثبِتُ وَعِندَهُ أُمُّ الكِتٰبِGOD bless you.
Peace.In your point of view is Arabic the only languages in the mother book?
God bless
peace
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Peace Hawk.
You ask this,quote
" Are you saying all truths are from the creator no matter the source? Am I to understand"
All truths can only be a certainty if the source is from the Truth. i.e a scripture /words from GOD.
As for this, quote
"In your point of view is Arabic the only languages in the mother book?""The mother book" is not a book in Arabic language or any other language.
It is simply the original master record /plan . All matters are recorded and come from the original master plan of all creations including messenger, to us with scriptures at the time chosen in our life as humans.
GOD bless you.
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On the first part, I could not have explained it better than GL did.
The Quran was revealed in Arabic, but that does not mean Umm al Kitab is limited to Arabic. It is a universal repository of truth, and previous scriptures, though revealed in different languages, also originated from it.
So in short, divine truth was revealed across time, but the Quran remains the most reliable and complete source today. Arabic was simply the language chosen for the final revelation, ensuring clarity for its first audience, but the message itself transcends language.
