Chapter - 02 complete translation for your thoughts...

Mazhar

(لسان العرب)
الطَّوْعُ نَقِيضُ الكَرْهِ.

That it signifies contra, to external pressure, compulsion, coercion, dislike of heart.

The basic perception infolded in Root "ط و ع" is to accept an idea, or word, command, direction, injunction, saying, or verbal and written communication, wholeheartedly and affectionately by will and personal choice without external pressure/force/fear/compulsion/coercion.

The perception and meanings infolded in Root "ت ب ع" are distinct and absolutely different from that infolded in the Root "ط و ع" which is translated by English word "obey"; and Root "ت ب ع" by English word "follow" by most of the writers. This is how both the Roots are inadvertently/incorrectly brought closer and at par, as if they both convey similar meanings. English word "Obey" means and conveys the perception "to do as told; be controlled by somebody or something" and the word "follow" means "to obey something, act in accordance with something or instructions and directions given by somebody else". It is thus evident that English word "obey" and "follow" are in proximity of synonymous and both refer to an act while Arabic Roots "ت ب ع" and "ط و ع" are not synonymous and are distinct from each other.

The basic perception infolded in the Root "ت ب ع" is to practically follow by will, design and affection in such manner that one moves or walks behind remaining adjacent to the one being followed/pursued so that there is no third in between the follower and who is being followed. "تبيع" is a calf walking behind his mother. The striking feature, individuality and peculiarity of this Root is the practical and physical aspect of following in action.

Arabic language is a scientific language and its Roots enfold all physical/scientific realities and facts relating both to matter and life. A deliberate act of practically and physically following is the result of will/decision and it can take physical execution only by retrieving data, information, instruction, injunction or saying already and previously saved in the memory.

A physical act by one's own will and decision/choice reflects and demonstrates his acceptance and liking of the concept and purpose which that act will or is expected to yield.

The perception and meanings infolded in the Root "ت ب ع" is the physical demonstration of executing that accepted thing in letter and spirit, exactly in the manner as is told; to follow and move step by step, dot by dot, word by word; move and follow on the footprints of the one being followed. Nothing should intervene including ones own passions, interests, preconceived notions, desires and conveniences between the follower and the followed, whereby one will satisfy and implement the perception of the Root and shall thus be the one who acted exactly on that which he had willfully and affectionately accepted.

Root "ط و ع" has a theoretical/ideological aspect while "ت ب ع" has practical/physical aspect/connotation. It means translating/implementing into action what was accepted. This will also show and prove to others the truthfulness and faithfulness and sincerity of the person that he had accepted that concept/idea/fact/saying/news/Book truly and wholeheartedly. In sequence/time frame "ت ب ع" is after "ط و ع" and not conversely.

jkhan

Yes, ‘obey’ is mostly translated for the Arabic word ‘atheeu’.. I thought of it, then avoided when the English meaning of it did not satisfy with contexts of ‘atheeu’ that occur in Quran..

See how they differentiate ‘Obey and abide by’

"Obey" and "abide by" both involve following rules or instructions, but they differ in nuance. "Obey" generally implies a more immediate and direct compliance with a command or order, often from an authority figure. "Abide by" suggests a longer-term commitment to a set of rules, principles, or agreements.

Obey
Timeframe - Immediate, often a single action ...
Source of instruction - Command, order, authority figure ..
Emphasis - Compliance, following a direction ....
Formal/Informal - Can be formal or informal ...

Abide by
Timeframe - Long-term, ongoing commitment
Source of instruction - Rules, laws, agreements
Emphasis - Acceptance, adherence to a principle
Formal/Informal - More formal, especially in legal contexts

So, Quranically ‘abide by’ is the best choice.. You are not just obeying the Divine, we need to ABIDE BY the Divine.. But still obey has coercive aspect too…

Meanwhile, turning towards the point of MESSENGER, and is never the choice.. as you all are aware, not only humans but Malak also chosen as Rasuls .. They are not mere MESSENGERS.. They are on MISSION when someone is on a mission, they can’t simply be Messenger.
When Rasuls came to Ibrahim they said ‘We have been dispatched’… that’s a mission.. and that too to destroy a nation full of Mujrim.. another example.. When a Rasul came to Maryam he said I am here to bestow you a child by the leave of the Divine.. on a mission…. But they all Rasul i.e. they dispatch what the Divine placed.. it can be anything, but on purpose and with a mission. Missions of various types.. Nuh built the ark and it is not the job of a Messenger.. Musa became a public performer, and that’s not a messenger.. Mohamed waged war, it is not the job of the Messenger.. Cus they were not messengers at all.. Messenger doesn’t befit (human or Malak) Rasuls at all.. Rasuls are on mission and accomplish it, and the least they should do is conveyance of the manifestation … that’s related with people, but they have more mission than that by the Divine.. Convey doesn’t mean dump. First, reach out with absolute awareness of the dispatch, thus attain its comprehensiveness, then deliver, and that’s to convey the manifestation..
Then, one can say why not make like a delegate or envoy.. Yes, fine, but I realized ‘dispatch’ root covers multi-purpose..

No messenger..
No obey, No follow, No comply with (atheeu)..

Mazhar

Every word belongs to a semantic domain (frame index). And every word has irreducible semantic features.

So try finding the necessary semantic features of all these words to be spot on.

Mazhar

Semantic Seed ت ب ع Recurrences 174

Semantic Seed ط و ع Recurrences 129
https//haqeeqat.pk/sohail/qr395

Semantic Seed ر س ل Recurrences 513
https//haqeeqat.pk/sohail/qr310

jkhan

What is Al Kaaba?. reflecting of it, I was clueless throughout life, but not after the guidance reached.. You won’t get these translations by reading superficially, for that I don’t blame.. but the one who deeply immerses in these verses would comprehend it, still I believe it takes time to align, even you read these translation or Al Quran in Arabic..

594 O you, the ones who concurred! Certainly, the Divine is testing you with a thing, through the beneficence, aiming its persuasions to you, and your resistance in order for the Divine to reveal who remains cautious of Him with the extremity. So, whoever trespassed despite that, then for him, a painful humiliation.
595 O you, the ones who concurred! Do not undermine the beneficence as you are imposed. Yet, whoever undermined it among you deliberately, then a recompense; a correspondence of what he undermined through the bestowal, adjudicating in its mutual justification among you, as point of initiative of the axis, or vindication of impetus of stagnancies, or justification of that of rehabilitation, in order that he experience disruptions of his affair. The Divine remitted of what had been foregone, yet whoever replicated, then the Divine avenges over him. And the Divine is mighty, possessor of vengeance.
596 Subjected to you the intervention of beneficence and its impetus—a facilitation for you, and for the state of conduct. Meanwhile, imposed upon you the transactionality of beneficence as long as you are in a state of imposition. Thus, conscientize the Divine, the One towards Him, you are gathering.
597 The Divine has placed the axis of the imposed awakening, undertaking for the people; as well, the imposed actions and the initiatives, and the conferral. Such is, so that you may realize that the Divine realizes what is through the assignments and what is through the thriving, while that the Divine, of everything, realizes.

A central and divinely fixed axis around which awakening is forced to occur, directing the human soul to realign with truth, justice, and responsibility. It is not just a realization — it’s a universal pivot point in the moral-spiritual order, one that you are made to encounter, resist, and eventually revolve around.
So why “axis”? Because this imposed awakening isn’t random or chaotic — it is anchored in something fixed, universal, divinely set. It’s the designated place of pivoting where consciousness is forced to turn.
“Axis” expresses that awakening happens around a fixed point — not in abstraction.
Al Kabaa is never a physical place… it is just a cube of idol worship invented by an invented religion called Islam..
The one who understood exactly what al kaaba is in Al Quran, then he can perceive who invented a religion based on a physical Kaaba in modern day Mecca.. This one word (al kaaba) in its true form will expose what this religion is based on..

Al kaaba = The axis... nothing on its own.. but it makes lot of sense in the context where it has been placed by the Divine in the couple of verses..

jkhan

5101 O you, the ones who concurred! Do not ask about things that, if disclosed to you, would anguish you. Yet, if you are asking about it during the Resolution (Al Quran) being originated, it is to be disclosed to you. The Divine remitted about it; thus, the Divine is redeeming, tolerant.
5102 Established ones had already asked about it, well before you. Subsequently, they did transpire with it, rejected ones.
5103 The Divine did not place through a state of intercession, and not a state of asceticism, and not a state of communion, and not a state of interdiction; and nevertheless, the ones who rejected are fabricating against the Divine the manipulation, and a multitude of them are not reasoning.

Here my argument is about verse 5103 and its untranslated words such as Bahira, Saibah, Wasila, Hami as if they are some pagan practices by names..
"If it was their ancestral practice, why call it 'fabrication' and then ‘manipulation’ and the verse ended ‘not reasoning’?"
Fabrication = Invention with intent, not mistake.
If these systems were inherited traditions, there would be no accusation of fabrication — just misguidance or ignorance.
But the Qur'an is exposing something deeper
-These aren’t merely inherited errors. They are strategic constructs
1..Designed to replace or rival Revelation
2..Invented and ascribed falsely to the Divine
3..Often serving elite control, guilt-based religiosity, or ritual systems
Thus, these are man-made religious frameworks
Deliberately built to seem holy
Claimed to be from the Divine
But actually meant to divert people from direct access to the Divine
Let’s work out what these four tools…
Intercession/Baheera (placing intermediaries as if they are holy to ask forgiveness and dua etc)
Asceticism /Saiba (self-denial as sanctity as if we are created outside of pleasure)
Communion / Wasila (ritual association or imagined closeness as exactly the word communion means ; the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially on a mental or spiritual level. )
Interdiction / Hami (forbidding things in the Divine name.. self proclamation of forbidding)
These are constructed systems, human-devised spiritual schemes not rooted in Revelation, but imposed on Revelation. Then people fabricate divine authority to justify them.
5103 is well connected with 5101-102 and its assertion..
5101 warns Don’t project your assumptions into Revelation via questioning.
5102 shows a historical pattern people asked but could not accept truth that shattered their constructs.
5103 names the core constructs fabricated religious systems—intercession, rituals, ascetic frameworks—not from the Divine, but made to control, to posture sanctity, or avoid accountability.
When intellect is bypassed and doctrine replaces sincerity, people ask questions not to seek truth, but to confirm bias.. The challenge is to keep Revelation free from these added layers.

Note Also the verse 5103, it intentionally uses "rejected" (كَفَرُوا / kafarū), not "those who ascribe partners" (mushrikūn) — and that distinction matters deeply. And not used even Kafireen i.e. labelled (the rejected ones) and never returning ones.. Rejected" is not a fixed group label, but a condition or action.
"those who rejected" as those who could have followed, but chose manipulation over submission. It’s a subtle yet powerful warning against building religious structures or restrictions not rooted in revelation but in human control, ego, or tradition falsely sanctified.

5103 is a powerful statement on traditional Islam.. or even any religion that is based on human invention but still claiming to be from the Divine..

This is not a critique of another religion — it’s a warning about what is being developed under the name of Divine but not from Divine. Yes. They weren’t coming in opposition to God — they were co-opting the Divine name. This is why it’s so dangerous.. That's why in verse592 it clearly indicated 'beware' even after stating 'Abide by the Divine, while abiding by the dispatcher, yet beware'.. so crucial here..

jkhan

5101 O you, the ones who concurred! Do not ask about things that, if disclosed to you, would anguish you. Yet, if you are asking about it during the Resolution (Al Quran) being originated, it is to be disclosed to you. The Divine remitted about it; thus, the Divine is redeeming, tolerant.
5102 Established ones had already asked about it, well before you. Subsequently, they did transpire with it, rejected ones.
5103 The Divine did not place through a state of intercession, and not a state of asceticism, and not a state of communion, and not a state of interdiction; and nevertheless, the ones who rejected are fabricating against the Divine the manipulation, and a multitude of them are not reasoning.

Here my argument is about verse 5103 and its untranslated words such as Bahira, Saibah, Wasila, Hami as if they are some pagan practices by names..
"If it was their ancestral practice, why call it 'fabrication' and then ‘manipulation’ and the verse ended ‘not reasoning’?"
Fabrication = Invention with intent, not mistake.
If these systems were inherited traditions, there would be no accusation of fabrication — just misguidance or ignorance.
But the Qur'an is exposing something deeper
-These aren’t merely inherited errors. They are strategic constructs
1..Designed to replace or rival Revelation
2..Invented and ascribed falsely to the Divine
3..Often serving elite control, guilt-based religiosity, or ritual systems
Thus, these are man-made religious frameworks
Deliberately built to seem holy
Claimed to be from the Divine
But actually meant to divert people from direct access to the Divine
Let’s work out what these four tools…
Intercession/Baheera (placing intermediaries as if they are holy to ask forgiveness and dua etc)
Asceticism /Saiba (self-denial as sanctity as if we are created outside of pleasure)
Communion / Wasila (ritual association or imagined closeness as exactly the word communion means ; the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially on a mental or spiritual level. )
Interdiction / Hami (forbidding things in the Divine name.. self proclamation of forbidding)
These are constructed systems, human-devised spiritual schemes not rooted in Revelation, but imposed on Revelation. Then people fabricate divine authority to justify them.
5103 is well connected with 5101-102 and its assertion..
5101 warns Don’t project your assumptions into Revelation via questioning.
5102 shows a historical pattern people asked but could not accept truth that shattered their constructs.
5103 names the core constructs fabricated religious systems—intercession, rituals, ascetic frameworks—not from the Divine, but made to control, to posture sanctity, or avoid accountability.
When intellect is bypassed and doctrine replaces sincerity, people ask questions not to seek truth, but to confirm bias.. The challenge is to keep Revelation free from these added layers.

Note Also the verse 5103, it intentionally uses "rejected" (كَفَرُوا / kafarū), not "those who ascribe partners" (mushrikūn) — and that distinction matters deeply. And not used even Kafireen i.e. labelled (the rejected ones) and never returning ones.. Rejected" is not a fixed group label, but a condition or action.
"those who rejected" as those who could have followed, but chose manipulation over submission. It’s a subtle yet powerful warning against building religious structures or restrictions not rooted in revelation but in human control, ego, or tradition falsely sanctified.

5103 is a powerful statement on traditional Islam.. or even any religion that is based on human invention but still claiming to be from the Divine..

This is not a critique of another religion — it’s a warning about what is being developed under the name of Divine but not from Divine. Yes. They weren’t coming in opposition to God — they were co-opting the Divine name. This is why it’s so dangerous.. That's why in verse592 it clearly indicated 'beware' even after stating 'Abide by the Divine, while abiding by the dispatcher, yet beware'.. so crucial here..

ع ل و this root is never meaning ‘COME’ in Quran.. it is ridiculous to use it as ‘Come’, perhaps translators are obsessed with modern day usage of come.. but this root here means ‘ascend/rise up’. It means elevate yourself by following the Divine path alone.. It’s a call to overcome their clinging path to their nourishers by abiding only in the Divine path.. Don’t be selective..

Using “come” gives the impression that God is calling outsiders or disbelievers or Ascribing ones to embrace the revelation. Not the case here unfortunately.. The root of this word has nothing to do with ‘come’.. surprise surprise..

But “rise up to what the Divine has originated” is a call to insiders, who believes in the Divine but are selective in following path of the Divine, thus who are misaligned, ending as rejectors. That’s what beautifully described by the Divine in the following verse..

5104 Yet, when it is stated to them, ‘rise up toward what the Divine has originated, thus towards the dispatcher.’ They stated, ‘Our perception is, what we found upon it our nourishers.’ Is it even if their nourishers were not realizing a thing, then they guide not?

To get a better picture, read from 5101 onwards.. The Divine is asking this group of people who believes in the Divine 'to RISE UP'.. and not a new invitation to disbelievers..

you can only rise up if you are low, or lacking, or fallen in some way. These people are fallen to a trap of nourishers.. so call is for them to 'RISE UP'
It's not aimed at those who outright deny the Divine — it targets those who claim belief but refuse to align fully with Divine revelation, choosing instead the perception of their nourishers (آبَاء).

They are not rejecting the Divine — they are replacing revelation with tradition, and clinging low when asked to rise.

That’s why the word 'rise up' is spot-on

They are selective in revelation — comfortable in inherited interpretation — and thus called to rise, not simply “come.”

Now any intelligent person can deduce how the religion of traditional Islam is originated and through what source.. Yes by these people who refused to align with the Divine path but believed in the Divine and kept nourishers above the Divine revelations, never RISEN UP / ASCENDED when the Divine called them..

jkhan

5106 O you, the ones who concurred! The state of testimony is a manifestation of you, when came to pass one of you the demoralization, in the process of transferal; a couple of mutual justifications among you, or two others from outside of you, given that you are struck through the thriving, thus you are succumbed into a state of disappointment of the demoralization. You retain both of them, well after the obligations, then let them vow by the Divine if you had suspected, ‘Not we exchange with it an assessment, even if he were to be a member of attachment, thus not we shroud the Divine testimony. Verily, then we are among the flawed ones.’
5107 Then, if both stumbled on that, it justified failure. Then two others, keeping their position, from the ones who deserved to be over them—the associated ones; yet let them vow by the Divine, ‘Surely our testimony is truer than their testimony while we have not trespassed; in that case, then certainly we are among the wronged ones.’
5108 Such is proximate that they bring forth by the testimony on its objective, or they would be cautious that oaths are vacillated despite their oaths. Thus, conscientize the Divine, yet heed; and the Divine does not guide the established of the renounced ones.

Well, 5106 is one of those verses that all translators corrupted its purity, knowing nothing of it, and totally aligned with their ritualistic religion, attempting to translate words like ‘sala’ in the verse as ‘ritual prayer’ and making a total mess of the verse. In a nutshell, sheer meaningless ..
5106 well connected with 2282.. the latter is the initiation of the bargaining or contract, its procedure, and the former is when such bargaining collapsed and lost trust and thus demoralized and its procedure.. all are spiritual guidance through the materialistic world and not how to do business..

Theme - 2282 (Initiation)
Context - Beginning of transaction
Focus - Clarity, documentation, foresight
Spiritual Emphasis - Prevent injustice through structure
Witness Role - Chosen and formal
Divine Conscience - Foundation of process

Theme - 5106 (Collapse)
Context - Collapse/demoralization phase
Focus - Integrity, recovery, truth preservation
Spiritual Emphasis - Revive justice through integrity
Witness Role - Possibly external, responsive, corrective

Divine Conscience - Final safeguard when systems fail

Integrity is not proven by agreement, but by truthfulness in collapse.

jkhan

I have completely translated chapter 05 and here is the link for anyone who is interested to read..

https//rifkyy2020.wixsite.com/expressandlearntruth/post/divinity-05

Please remember that my translation is not the ultimate truth, nor is it beyond improvement. However, I have rendered it with utmost honesty and precision, and most significantly with pure human to the Divine connection and not AI. Take it as a starting point, but do not rely solely on my work. Research independently and seek guidance from Allah alone. After all, these are Divine words—I’ve merely conveyed them in English to the best of my ability, guided by my understanding.

Verify everything through the Arabic Quran. If Allah wills, and you attain that pure Divine guidance, you may recognize that I have conveyed the truth of the Quran to the extent of my capacity. Verification is always with the Arabic Quran and not with AI and human to the Divine connection alone..

If the Divine caused, He would awaken whoever reaches out.. Good luck..

jkhan

I have completely translated chapter 05 and here is the link for anyone who is interested to read..

https//rifkyy2020.wixsite.com/expressandlearntruth/post/divinity-05

Please remember that my translation is not the ultimate truth, nor is it beyond improvement. However, I have rendered it with utmost honesty and precision, and most significantly with pure human to the Divine connection and not AI. Take it as a starting point, but do not rely solely on my work. Research independently and seek guidance from Allah alone. After all, these are Divine words—I’ve merely conveyed them in English to the best of my ability, guided by my understanding.

Verify everything through the Arabic Quran. If Allah wills, and you attain that pure Divine guidance, you may recognize that I have conveyed the truth of the Quran to the extent of my capacity. Verification is always with the Arabic Quran and not with AI and human to the Divine connection alone..

If the Divine caused, He would awaken whoever reaches out.. Good luck..

I was seriously wondering while I was translating with deep reflection and root words and context, and logic behind them of the verse 5110

5110 As the Divine stated, ‘O Eisa, son of Maryam! Consider my blessings upon you, even upon your mother, as I have influenced you with the sanctified force of life, instructing the people during the novice, yet fully-fledged. Yet, when I revealed to you the ordainment and the judgment, and the Enlightenment (al Torah), and the Injeel (al Injeel), thus as you share through the disposition, in line with practicalities of the disciple, by My leave, and as you invigorate him, so he takes flight by My leave, and as you disown the indoctrinations and the blemishes by My leave, and as you drive out the insanity by My leave. And when I curbed constituents of transitioning ones from you, as you affected them with the manifestations, then stated the ones who rejected among them, that this is except manifest sorcery.

I was wondering, what! then how come the Christians' faith and whatever is written in the Bible align with the traditional Muslim translation of this verse.. Raising the dead to life, leper cured bla bla.. Then why do I feel different about this verse.. I realized how Christians at the very early time took their Injeel verses literally and dumped into the Bible by the Greeks, so it immensely assisted in making Jesus to some grand level.. And this religion of early Christianity had a lot to offer to the man-made religion of Islam as well.. The Divine has placed the same information as what happened with Eisa truly, son of Maryam.. but interpretation turned everything upside down.. And these traditional people blindly adhered to their take, either not knowing or intentionally, they had ironed out the true meaning and presented a forged meaning out of it..

Imagine, why should Allah allow Eisa, son of Maryam to create a shape of a bird by clay and let it become a real bird and let some people witness and say 'wow' wow or say sorcery... So, they immediately believe in the Divine or reject.. Nope.. it won't help and never did the Divine so.. and it is not the way to guide people.. But if you read my translation, it is the reality.. No miracle.. But impossible matters made possible by the Divine leave..

jkhan

It is good see one or two is reading chapter 05 translation as they questioned me.. why 538 is not gender (male and female)? .. lol

"No point of showing two genders of thieves"
– Because exploitation isn’t gendered; it’s institutional.

Exploiters (active not biological gender)
The "State of Exploitation" (system where exploiters approach)
Enablers ("influences/appeals&quot

One has to read all the way from 527 to 539 to understand 538 in its precise nature.. cus too closely connected.

538 Thus, the exploiters, along with the state of exploitation, then dismantle their influence, a recompense for what they exerted as epitome from the Divine, yet the Divine, mighty, judging.
539 But whoever reoriented even after his wronging, thus reformed, then verily the Divine orients upon him. Indeed, the Divine is redeeming, compassionate.

No chopping hands and orienting, and then the Divine redeeming.. Why does one need the Divine redemption for just stealing bread after chopping off the hands? The Divine is not so cheap to explain some cheap info like that..

What is so profound in commanding to 'chop hands' as if no one on the earth knew to do that or rather no one in the earth already were practicing that while the command is given.. Many nations practiced even before Quran revelations of this verse as legal punishment of 'chopping hands' for theft brutally.. nothing new and nothing great to come from the Divine..

Dersaadet

Is the man, which ayah 259 explain to us, or rainbow fish ?

jkhan

Is the man, which ayah 259 explain to us, or rainbow fish ?

If you are unable to grasp it, let me be precise.. The verse is referring about a person's state of COMA i.e. prolonged period of deeep unconsciousness.. The Divine let him taste a 'perfect seasonal cycle' ... Not 100 years of biological death.. Got it?

Meanwhile, welcome to the forum.. share your knowledge..
thank u

jkhan

An interrogator was stating 2259 ‘I have turned the 100 years into a complete seasonal cycle and the story is about coma and once he was raised back he was made to observe his situation and perfectly fine and that’s what even doctors would have asked from a patient who is raised after coma to verify he is normal or not’… Fine, there were no 100 years then. How do you see 1825? Is that also not 309 years, or do you have something else to say about it?

Once I start to translate that chapter only I would be in sha Allah able to reveal the genuine story of that. Well, I have not completely researched that chapter, but as of now, I take that verse as under

1825 Thus, they bided through their retreat, a holistic brilliance of impeccability, even excelled culmination.

They were not sleepers inside a cave, and they were not just youth… They were ‘explorers/researchers/analyzer=Fityath’ but one precise option (in 2160 Ibrahim was called 'fithyath' not cus he was youth but he was a serious analyzer..). still concurred ones in the Divine.. Al Kahf = The Retreat.. Indeed, they resorted to the retreat for their exploration purposes. And it seems their exploration is not allowed by the authorities, and doing it secretly.. No dog in the story ‘KalbaHum = Their Backer’, even it could be ‘their trainer/advisor’ once fully researched only can be revealed. There is no valid reason to state ‘three of them and with their DOG four’ etc... that’s unreasonable to add ‘they were four just adding the dog’.. no point of counting the dog and stating their number is such and such’ .. it won’t become their number.. the addition was a human being but not one of them.. Still, someone who is backing/supporting them in their course… There is no point of stating ‘their cave’.. as if the cave is theirs.. ‘their retreat’ is the ideal meaning of it within the root..
Even words like shimal, yameen, ayqada, ruqud etc have unique meanings in the verses.. when I translate the chapter, in sha Allah I would be able to unearth them..
Don’t rely on me, I have not yet finalized with guidance of the Divine. You research and seek guidance..

Note Al Raqeem = the Expertise (most probably)...

Dersaadet

If you are unable to grasp it, let me be precise.. The verse is referring about a person's state of COMA i.e. prolonged period of deeep unconsciousness.. The Divine let him taste a 'perfect seasonal cycle' ... Not 100 years of biological death.. Got it?

Meanwhile, welcome to the forum.. share your knowledge..
thank u

I understand Jkan, first thank you for your welcome.
But as I understand your problem is you are using and reading molingual, but Rab tell us in Tanakh I mixed to human language, means turn to the ambiguity language. Ambuquity the language come evolution from by Rab. And also all holly books use this language, and when they something sign to another ayah or sürah. You should pay attention to this figurative language, which is holly books used.

So, in my opinion there is 100 years and no season cycling. Remember, what was the inde Allah time? 1 yevm means day equals 1000 year for Allah. Ayah tell us Allah says 100 years for mean Allah, for human ed dünya day just an almost 1 day. Allah doesn’t say 1000 year it means one all day inde Allah time. That means for Allah person stayed maybe a daily or a few hours with the ed dünya time. If you want you can calculate.

Also, ayah says to us, check the 101th. Sürah. Means Karyeti sürah. Because bakara 258 tell us, one person talking with Abraham, and says I can be kill too, like your god because I am the god too. I can do that. Then Abraham said to him ok bring the sun from west.lets see. Because always come from sark side and we will see. Then Allah gives this example ayah tell them this ayah to the people maybe they got their lesson. In ayah happen these meanwhile, another tell us somebody’s mother to be havilah. Because Quran sometimes uses Latin word, sometime uses İbranic word and phrases too etc. Depends on the ayahs. By the way we don’t know vhere is Abrahams location? Maybe in Canaanite also there some karyeti people too. Because they are sea Qavms. Like phonecian , like karyeti from Anatolian aegan sea, egypts, etc.

Havilah means whirling, or circle , but not seasonal cycles. Mean doesn’t mean season etc.

And there is no biological coma on the ayah. Just a sleep. That’s it.

These are my opinion about your ayah opinion. Because in Abraham days, people believe a fish god/deity name is Dagon. Because ayah tell us, lebiste mean Latin word rainbow fish too. Which is in modern day we feed in aquarium. Also you can find in nature in these days.

Also you can check messengers and prophets , with they use fish, like Jonah , Khidr etc.

jkhan

An interrogator was stating 2259 ‘I have turned the 100 years into a complete seasonal cycle and the story is about coma and once he was raised back he was made to observe his situation and perfectly fine and that’s what even doctors would have asked from a patient who is raised after coma to verify he is normal or not’… Fine, there were no 100 years then. How do you see 1825? Is that also not 309 years, or do you have something else to say about it?

Once I start to translate that chapter only I would be in sha Allah able to reveal the genuine story of that. Well, I have not completely researched that chapter, but as of now, I take that verse as under

1825 Thus, they bided through their retreat, a holistic brilliance of impeccability, even excelled culmination.

They were not sleepers inside a cave, and they were not just youth… They were ‘explorers/researchers/analyzer=Fityath’ but one precise option (in 2160 Ibrahim was called 'fithyath' not cus he was youth but he was a serious analyzer..). still concurred ones in the Divine.. Al Kahf = The Retreat.. Indeed, they resorted to the retreat for their exploration purposes. And it seems their exploration is not allowed by the authorities, and doing it secretly.. No dog in the story ‘KalbaHum = Their Backer’, even it could be ‘their trainer/advisor’ once fully researched only can be revealed. There is no valid reason to state ‘three of them and with their DOG four’ etc... that’s unreasonable to add ‘they were four just adding the dog’.. no point of counting the dog and stating their number is such and such’ .. it won’t become their number.. the addition was a human being but not one of them.. Still, someone who is backing/supporting them in their course… There is no point of stating ‘their cave’.. as if the cave is theirs.. ‘their retreat’ is the ideal meaning of it within the root..
Even words like shimal, yameen, ayqada, ruqud etc have unique meanings in the verses.. when I translate the chapter, in sha Allah I would be able to unearth them..
Don’t rely on me, I have not yet finalized with guidance of the Divine. You research and seek guidance..

Note Al Raqeem = the Expertise (most probably)...

Some people kindly requested me to translate 'people of the cave' verses as they call it.. Well, I would give a try but be patient and it is not simple as you think...

Meanwhile, the first verse itself is so rhetorical 189 Or rather, have you reckoned that the mates of the retreat and the expertise had been among Our fascinating explications?
And the Divine intended with the verse to state 'NO'.. it is clear.. that suggested that people already knew something about this story, while the Divine never revealed this story in any of His previous revelations as far as we know.. Not it Torah and not in so so-called Bible, but found something slightly similar in Christian legendries as 'the seven sleepers'.. So the Divine clearly manifested, it is not a fancy story as they have depicted..

Be patient guys, who requested from me, I will In sha Allah, translate those verses from 189-26 with clarity, but as always, you need a sharp lens to comprehend them even after translation..

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Some people kindly requested me to translate 'people of the cave' verses as they call it.. Well, I would give a try but be patient and it is not simple as you think...

Meanwhile, the first verse itself is so rhetorical 189 Or rather, have you reckoned that the mates of the retreat and the expertise had been among Our fascinating explications?
And the Divine intended with the verse to state 'NO'.. it is clear.. that suggested that people already knew something about this story, while the Divine never revealed this story in any of His previous revelations as far as we know.. Not it Torah and not in so so-called Bible, but found something slightly similar in Christian legendries as 'the seven sleepers'.. So the Divine clearly manifested, it is not a fancy story as they have depicted..

Be patient guys, who requested from me, I will In sha Allah, translate those verses from 189-26 with clarity, but as always, you need a sharp lens to comprehend them even after translation..

I can help you little bit, because seven sleepers in my country, which is Christian’s believe and visit the cave.

You are saying fityath and giving the example from Abraham part, but kefh ayah says fitara/ fitare same as like Rum 30 ayah, that doesn’t mean explorer. Or directly created means. There is a 2 grup from Kehf and from Rakim qavm people. And they have dog too..
also they are believer and escape another believers whic they believe more than one gods and they came to the cave. Some of them from mountain people which is rakım book tell us. Rakım means high geography which people is live. Like mountain etc.

So, the year 309 you can calculate with Allahs floor time. It makes 333.33 if you calcute from one day equal Allah day 1000 year. Then if you take 1/3 from the 1000 it gives you 333 (there will be 33 after dot. )

And God says some people says will be say 3 people +dog, or, 5people +dog or 7 people +dog. But some of them said just god knows how much day they stayed . But when they wake up they said that almost one day, or part of day.

Because ashabı Kehf, iş located in Tarsus /Turkey old name in christian era is name Tarsis .i guess you can find in Old Testament Tarsis part. Around the Taurus / modern day name Toros mountains, old name is Enculus. People believe after the St. Paul arrived the Turkey , Arabic source writing abaout Takyanus emperor, but Turkey civization thinks it was Diocletionus Roman emperor. It’s a pilgrim area Christian’s and muslims visited every year. In civilization story is some ypeople they know their name when they escape from Roman emperor , they are believers and they hide in cave. Their names is Yemliha, Mekselina, Mislina, Mernus, Debernuş, Şazenuş ve Kefeştatayyuş and their dog Kıtmir.
The area little far away from the mount Nemrut which believers believe Abraham and his dad lived in this area, and they put the Abraham in fire but fire doesn’t touch Abraham. Also another west side there Efesus which is Mary’s house in there. Mother of the Jesus.

Because fitera/fitere word, is important when we read in Rum 30 too.

Also more countries has a seven sleepers story too.

Tarsis was a small town in ancien Roma, and connection with is city hadrianopolis moder day name Mersin.mersin word come from mrytus tree. And classic era people called Kilikya .

You can use google translate for English.

http//www.tarsus.gov.tr/eshab-ikehf

https//www.magical-steps.com/incil-de-efes.html

Because st Paul born in Tarsis. He is a Jew but was Roman citizen according the page.

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle

And Turkey still searching his book. Because on the İznik /Nicea consule there is no st.Paul book people says.,

Also when I was teenager I went there, there is hole inside the cave and you cannot say regular circle but we can call circle when people if they pass from this circle means there is too much sin, but if you stock mean you have too much sin. When try to pass you should turn left or right other ways you cannot pass. It was interesting hole.

jkhan

here are the translations of chapter 18-09-26 as few of you requested.. I have explained it and don't rely on my explanation but explore with verses translated or with direct Al Quran.. Your explanation based on translation may transcend beyond my take.. Everyone is free to explore and reach the profound knowledge of it..

189
Or rather, have you reckoned that the mates of the retreat and the expertise had been among Our fascinating explications?

This verse serves as a provocative introduction, rhetorically challenging the listener's assumptions. It implies that the story of the people of the cave (the mates of the retreat) may have been sensationalized or misunderstood, and now the Divine is about to clarify their real significance — which is beyond fascination…
It contrasts what people think with what is about to be revealed, setting up the next verse as a deeper unveiling…

1810..
When the analysts resorted up to the retreat, then they stated, ‘Our Lord! Render from Your end a state of mercy, yet make feasible for us from our affair, soundness.’

We are introduced to the individuals — now called analysts — who withdrew to a secluded space (the retreat) seeking Divine assistance, asking not for escape but mercy and sound resolution with a firm intent to return…. Analysts requested to make their analysis feasible and make it sound.
These are the real "mates of the retreat", whose insight and purpose contrast with the superficial understanding implied in verse 9….

1811
So, we engendered according to their solicitation through the retreat, allocated brilliance.

Their supplication is answered by being placed into a Divinely-willed suspension, and this brilliance may indicate a state of preservation or illumination — hidden from time but lit with purpose.
This is the Divine response to their supplication in 1810 — not escape, but a purposeful pause, set up for a later unveiling.

1812
Then, We spurred them in order to reveal which of the two sections is comprehending, regarding tenure, they tolerated.

The suspension ends. They’re awakened (not physically) to test or reveal understanding — possibly among two societal factions, one grasping their timeline better. There is an intellectual or moral inquiry being prompted.
Their tolerance (patience/endurance) now becomes meaningful as it's measured or contrasted with others’ comprehension.

1813
We review unto you their information with the truth. Verily, their state of analysis, concurred in their Lord, thus We augmented their guidance.

The Divine doesn’t continue story telling but connects timeless reader as well into the story. The story shifts to affirming their inner state — they weren’t passive sleepers but analysts, and their alignment with the Divine earned them further guidance.
Clarifies that their spiritual growth continued even in retreat — their intellect was not dormant, and their endurance was conscious with the support of the Divine guidance.

1814-16 Thus, We stabilized on their thoughts as they maintained, so stated, ‘Our Lord! Lord of the assignments and the thriving; Never we entreat even beyond Him, a divine; certainly, then we would have already supposed extremism.’ ‘Those are they, our established ones; they have taken even beyond Him divines. Why do they not bring forth in favor of them with a manifest authority? So, who is wrong than he who fabricated against the Divine a manipulation?’

They affirmed their exclusive faith in the Divine and denounced polytheism. Their society was corrupted. They separated and resorted again to the retreat, trusting the Divine to facilitate their next move.
This block explains their reasoning and spiritual integrity. It gives context to their withdrawal, showing it wasn’t escapism but principled rejection of a flawed society.

1817 Still, you would have sensed the defiance when it emerged, leaning on their retreat, possessed by the serendipity, yet when it receded, splitting them, possessed by the dilemma, yet they were in a state of intermediate through it. Such is from the Divine explications. Whoever the Divine guides, then he is the guided one, yet whoever the Divine leaves stray, then you never find for him an associate of sound one.

Describes the miraculous environmental setup — the light and shadow play (serendipity vs dilemma) — symbolizing both protection and challenge, and their state was balanced (intermediate), not swayed by extremes.
Builds on the earlier retreat — now emphasizing that even nature played a role in protecting them while keeping them poised for their later role.

1818 And, you would have reckoned them concentrating yet they of abstraction; thus, We reversed them, characterized by the serendipity, yet characterized by the dilemma, while their mentor, extending his interceding employing the straits. If you had emerged at them, surely you would have associated through their scrutiny, thus surely you would have optimized through their fascination.

A scene of paradox — they looked conscious but were in abstraction, not dead or asleep in the traditional sense. Their mentor watching over suggests a leadership figure’s concern or prayer, and a hint at their spiritual magnetism ("fascination&quot.
Complements verse 17’s imagery — continuing the theme of stillness with Divine depth, an embodiment of patient insight.

1819 And, in line with that, We spurred them, so that they inquire, manifesting them. Stated an assumer among them, ‘How did you tolerate?’ They stated, ‘We tolerated an episode or part of an episode.’ They stated, ‘Your Lord realizes regarding what you tolerated.’ So, prompt one of you, holding by your camouflage, into the city, so let him look for which is of pure prudence, thus let him bring you with an advantage from it, yet let him be discreet. And don’t let anyone perceive about you.’

Upon awakening, the inquiry is made — how long were they out? The response shows detachment from time, and now they send someone back — not just for sustenance, but for information, change assessment, and careful reconnection.
The retreat now ends with cautious reentry into society, a symbolic act of testing whether the situation has changed. It clearly shows they were far from the City once they were, but they were not hiding in the current place where they were retreating because they were safe.. They had intent to go back but not before firm grip of the Divine guidance. Time elapsed in doing so..

1820 ‘Verily they, if they appeared over you, they would expel you or they replicate you through their convictions, thus never you succeed, then evermore.’

Reinforces the reason for secrecy. The threat was not just physical harm but co-optation — a warning that society can distort values if one is not vigilant.
Validates the previous verse’s instruction for discretion — this isn't just about physical danger, but spiritual assimilation.

1821 And in line with that, We stumbled upon them in order to reveal that the Divine promise is true, and that the Turning point is not a suspicion through it, as they were stripping off manifesting them their affair, so they stated, ‘Formulate according to their constitution; their Lord realizes of them.’ Stated, the ones who prevailed over their affair, ‘Surely, we would be taking according to their state of acknowledgment.’

Their re-emergence becomes a sign — not just for them, but for others to realize that Divine promise and turning points are real in life and the final Turning Point waiting and no doubt. The "constitution" implies that their legacy needed acknowledgment. No one discovered them.. They went back to the city once they lived since turning point took place and the situation is much safer to live and they involved in the city’s administration..
The purpose of their entire suspension is revealed — a public sign, and institutional recognition of their spiritual stance.

1822 They will assume three—fourth of them, their mentor; Even they are stating five—sixth of them their mentor, driven by the extremity. And they are stating seven—eighth of them, their mentor. State, ‘My Lord realizes of their allocation, not realizes them except a few; So do not dispute concerning them except a constructive dispute, and do not inquire concerning them among anyone of them.

This verse warns against debating irrelevant details — the number of sleepers, their dog, etc. The point is not their count but their mission and message. People already spread fancy folklore with their story giving weight on assumptions and irrelevance..
Pushes back against reducing a profound event into numerical or dogmatic debate — instead, focus on principled understanding.

1823-24 Moreover, don’t be stating for anything, ‘verily I am doing that’ of proactivity. Unless the Divine causes, yet consider your Lord when you forgot, and state, ‘Perhaps that my Lord would guide me to intimacy than this grip.’

These verses advise humility in intention — don't declare plans without Divine allowance. The phrase “intimacy than this grip” hints at deeper connection over control, encouraging reliance on Divine proximity, not certainty.
Follows the previous verse’s theme of avoiding rigid claims — now applied to personal speech and spiritual trust.

1825 Thus, they tolerated through their retreat, a holistic brilliance of impeccability, even excelled culmination.

The culmination — their long, hidden endurance was not passive but a complete, holistic, spiritually luminous journey that reached fulfillment. Their legacy was not just survival but brilliance in alignment with the Divine. Most significantly, they supplicated with an intent to return to the City, and that supplication was accepted by showing them that there can be ‘turning points’ that you never feel come true.. This supplication (‘Our Lord! Render from Your end a state of mercy, yet make feasible for us from our affair, soundness.’) became true.. And further made to convince them that ‘The Turning Point/Al Sa’ath’ has no doubt..

Perfect closure. Ties back to verse number 10’s plea for mercy and guidance, showing it was granted completely — not just personally but as a timeless sign for others.

They did not want to live in the city with those people’s convictions and practices and ascribing to the Divine, so they fled the city, but they needed guidance and enlightenment, so they resorted to retreat and comprehensive analytical research on every matter.. Cus they were already analysts, not relying on what their people were practicing blindly, and did not like it. They succeeded with time with pure guidance and with the Divine help returned back to the city and were involved in the constitution with their inputs.

1826 State, ‘The Divine realizes regarding what they tolerated—for Him the assignments and the thriving. You grasp through Him and carry out. Not for Him, any associate in comparison to Him; therefore, He doesn’t accredit anyone in His judgment.’

We are living with assignments, thus looking for the thriving.. In this process, rely totally in the Divine cus no third party can interrupt you when the Divine judges.. Just grasp/understand Him and carry out your tasks..
Your assignments are sacred. Your thriving is Divine.
Thus, you must perceive and carry out — not through self-reliance or social validation, but solely through the Divine.
No external force or being can interfere when you align with that Source.

The first couple of verses of chapter 6 would possibly assist you to grasp this story...

here are they ...

61 The admiration is embedded in the Divine—the One who proportioned the assignments and the thriving, then placed gloominess and invigoration. Later, the ones who rejected in their Lord are deviating.
62 He is the One who proportioned you through disposition; subsequently, He concluded conditions—terms of state of assignments at His end. Later, you are disputing.

Note If you prefer, just read without my rendered explanations, so that the verses would possibly direct you to your own understanding..

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