Should Albion Be BANNED??
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Peace to Seekers of Peace,
It is intentional,sneaky and cowardly to only cut and paste. Your intentions are made quite clear. If you have a stance that you wish to take, make it and be prepared to give a dissertation on you theories or understanding of truth. That is your duty as a believer in what ever. For each of us we are to consider all avenues of knowledge and proofs and decide from what has been presented (as truths or facts). To only set off fires and walk away is a true cowards move. Take credit and explain your motives and be truthful, not a coward! Albion, be productive and not a cancer to this forum. If you have nothing of truth and value to say the it is best to stay silent or get in where you fit in. If not.... I VOTE HE MUST GO!!!!
Peace,
EYE C-U
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Peace bro Damon,
It seems strange indeed...to clear the confusion, i have NOT voted at all since i have a somewhat neutral stance on this at present, i rather agree with bro Wakas that one thread should be IT for his articles, which is a very good solution...
Btw, i have noticed some new users who have registered, a lot in the span of one day... )
Regds,
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Peace all,
Look at these two statements guys.
I asked if it is possible for people here to cast more than one vote. And in response to that.....
It is possible only for those who have several user names.
, i have noticed some new users who have registered, a lot in the span of ONE DAY...
I know Nadia and I aren't the only two who have noticed this. We all know who's doing this is. This is a blatant disregard for one of the Forum's Rules....not to register under different names.
There have never been so many new registered users in the span of one day in the history o this forum's existence......never!! Believe me, I keep tabs on that. All of a sudden, we get hundreds of new registries out of nowhere. And it so happens to coincide when the birth of this poll and also happens to coincide with all of these anonymous votes in favor of albion. And yet, we see no comments or posts by these so-called voters!!!
I say this is the last straw and albion has pulled one dishonest tactic too many. He must be banned!!
Over to you Layth!!
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Peace all,
I just went through the memberlist and I checked by joined date and organized it in descending order.
SIX NEW members registered in one day!! And none of them made any posts.
Before today, the most new registered members in one day was four and almost all of them made some sort of post upon their new registry (to add input to a discussion, ask a question or introduce themselves). Yet we have nothing from these new members. I'll bet we have their votes though. x
Initially, there were only 2 votes in favor of albion. I assumed those two votes came from albion and applepie. Then the votes miraculously jumped from 2 to 8 all in one day. There are 6 new members who have all registered in one day. 2 + 6 = 8.....
Hhhmmmm.......
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Peace,
Damon, one of the trolls aims is to provoke heated replies and make people to waste their time, something s/he is achieving here.I voted no, I find permanent moderation a fairer option because after all, he is dennouncing crimes, just a type of crimes, ok, s/he should dennounce every type, but aren't those type of crimes actually happening? We all should dennounce them, it would be better in amnesty international for instance.
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Peace,
Damon, one of the trolls aims is to provoke heated replies and make people to waste their time, something s/he is achieving here.I voted no, I find permanent moderation a fairer option because after all, he is dennouncing crimes, just a type of crimes, ok, s/he should dennounce every type, but aren't those type of crimes actually happening? We all should dennounce them, it would be better in amnesty international for instance.
Hi Elena,
The problem with Albion's post is their wrong titles
Victims of Islam
Peaceful Islam keeps the peace
Heroes Of IslamIndeed these victims undergo only the consequences of their ignorance. Attributing their actions to Islam is a great offence towards the God and the believers.
Those who labelled them as victim's of Islam are as ignorant as them.
There is a big difference between dennouncing crimes under Islam or under man made religions, I hope you see my point.
Repeating what is published in the media whithout criticism has no interest.
If Albion seeks the truth about the genuine islam, I think we can have a fruitfull debate.Unfortunately, the intelligence of the heart is not given to everyone.
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Salaams Marie,
you said
"The problem with Albion's post is their wrong titles
Victims of Islam
Peaceful Islam keeps the peace
Heroes Of IslamIndeed these victims undergo only the consequences of their ignorance. Attributing their actions to Islam is a great offence towards the God and the believers.
Those who labelled them as victim's of Islam are as ignorant as them."
He has said they where crimes by those who label themselves - as either muslims or under the Banner of Islam,But he hasn't said they have been done by those comitted to God or anything.
And the only Islam in the world is the traditional style as they are in their billions whilst you here are only in hundreds.
And if you are saying those called Muslims or those hiding under the Banner of Islam are those comitted to God , then i suggest we shut this site ,please.
God Bless.
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Salam MZ,
And the only Islam in the world is the traditional style as they are in their billions whilst you here are only in hundreds.
The majority doesn't matter, Only the truth prevails and there is only one genuine islam whatever the number of those who follow it.
Man made religion is not the God's system, then let us call a cat by a cat.
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Peace all,
Peace,
Damon, one of the trolls aims is to provoke heated replies and make people to waste their time, something s/he is achieving here.I voted no, I find permanent moderation a fairer option because after all, he is dennouncing crimes, just a type of crimes, ok, s/he should dennounce every type, but aren't those type of crimes actually happening? We all should dennounce them, it would be better in amnesty international for instance.
I think you're missing my point.
My issue with albion is not his stance or that he chooses to cut and paste senseless anti-islamic articles. My issue is his Goal for doing such thing. I can tell that he is deliberately flooding the forum knowing that eventually we will get tired of replying to him because he simply will not debate and discuss. Therefore, we leave him to his own vices, he continues to cut and paste w/no more rebuttals from us, and unsuspecting visitors will not know that he is just a troll that we decided to ignore. They may believe that these web-pastes are the generally held consesus of the members here OR they may think that the info in the webpastes is irrefutable. Either Way, they are left with the impression that this Anti-Islamic stance of his is the Dominant and/or Prevailing stance here. And this is a misrepresentation of the members here and of this forum.
Most importantly, it's the principle that he is the only person here who refuses to debate and defend his position while he gets to cut and paste and then run off somewhere. It's fruitless to allow this to go on. The fact that he has somehow orchestrated 6 new memberships in one day to cast votes in his favor is a dishonest act that should not be tolerated here.
Plain and simple....he is a cancer that must be extracted from the rest of the body, so that the rest of the body can continue to function as it was meant to.
Peace.
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Salaamun Alaikum,
Dear brothers and sisters in Islam,My personal view is not to ban him at this time.
I am not aware wether he has been warned for the same or not. If not, then we should give him a chance instead of kicking him out.
Why I said so is We are on a discussion board of Free Minds where every one got the rights to set himself / herself free. If I am right here, then he and everybody else should get a chance to say or cut and paste anything what he wants.
Remember Allah is the only ONE who can guide. But what ever we try is our duty.
What I suggest is, instead of banning him right away give him a chance, tell about what others think about him because of his deeds. There are lot of possibilities for a person to act in such a way as Albion. We dont know the exact reason. So, we can give him a chance explaning him everything then we (moderators) should give him a final chance by deleting his useless posts. Then we got a right to ban him with reasoning.
This is just my personal suggestion. If any of you think that I am wrong, please ignore my messege.
For Albion
Dear brother,
If you are reading all these messeges and don't know what to do, I suggest you to express your way or feelings.
Remember, if you believe in the Creator of Muslims, or the Creator of Christains, or the Creator of Jews, or any one's Creator. He is the only ONE. He knows everything about everybody. He is the knower of everything we do. So, my sincere suggestion for you is to think about it. Try to correct yourself where ever you find yourself wrong. If our Creator find anything good in you or me. He will surely guide us to the correct path.
"And do not be like those who have said 'We hear,' but they do not hear." 821
"The worst creatures with Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not understand." 822
"And if Allah had found any good in them, then He would have made them listen. But if He makes them listen, they would still turn away, averse." 823
If you are not a Muslim then also your religion will not teach you anything bad. If we do anything good, then we will be rewarded for the same. If you eat food, you will get the nutritions that you require, even if you want those nutritions to give it to others. This is the system, where we are bounded. So, what ever you do good or bad is only for you.
If you don't agree with what I said, then
"My Lord has guided me to a Straight Path. An upright system, the creed of Ibraheem the monotheist; he was not from those who set up partners." 6161
"My contact-method (salaat), and my offerings, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah the Lord of the worlds." 6162
"He has no partner, and it is to this that I was commanded, and I am the first of those who have surrendered." 6163
"Shall I seek other than Allah as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in." 6164
"And He is the One who made you inheritors on Earth, and He raised some of you over others in grades, to test you with what He had given you. Your Lord is quick to punishment, and He is Forgiving, Merciful." 6165
May Allah guide us all towards the correct path.
Regards,
MMKhan
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Peace all
While banning albion is one way of dealing with the problem, there is also an opportunity to make good use of his posts. Although albion's posts or news articles may be irritating, aren't some of them a reflection of what others may be thinking already? And if this is the case, then there's an opportunity to discuss these situations openly, for anyone here or anyone passing by to see.
However...there is no use debating with albion. It's entirely pointless, as I quickly discovered. What you could do is ignore him altogether and discuss what is posted amongst yourselves. That is, address the issue without addressing albion.
In that way, you clear up misconceptions that may already exist in some people's minds while avoiding a direct discussion with someone who has no intention of debating the issue to begin with.
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Peace,
I am also not in favour of banning him. However if he has several free minds a/c, I think we should tell him to go and get his hard on and highs somewhere else.
Regards
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Really, I begin to notice that another 5 new members just register today, and the votes against albion's expulsion is rising.
Looks like dirty political tactics to me. Vote rigging. I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
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Peace all,
Really, I begin to notice that another 5 new members just register today, and the votes against albion's expulsion is rising.
Looks like dirty political tactics to me. Vote rigging.
Yep, you got it.
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
I did....
Nevertheless, when Layth and the guys are ready to disband the poll and tally the votes, to be fair, they should discount the votes in favor of albion by the new registered members and those who didn't post a reason as to why they voted against albion's expulsion (Like Anwar, ZS, Mmkhan and others have done.)
Logically thinking, no one who has never posted here and is not a regular contributor have no right to vote, so even that alone should discount the votes of our mysterious new friends.
Peace.
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Salaam,
Andya Primanda wrote
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.I did....
Now aren't you playing with labels x You should leave this to albions and his likes!
Also Damon wrote
they should discount the votes in favor of albion by the new registered members and those who didn't post a reason as to why they voted against albion's expulsionI follow your reasoning concerning the new registered members - but not the second part. In this case we can only count the votes for albions expulsion which were accompanied by an explanation as well...I voted him out but didn't give an explanation - this is something you usually don't need to do when you vote. Please guys, cool down
Elke
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what exactly has this guy done wrong because I honestly don't get it...
with that guy Doctor NO I could see why perhaps...but what exactly is the issue with this albion dude?
peaces outs dudes...
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Peace everyone,
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
And in response
I did....
I see some people are coming down on Andya Primanda, but no one is coming down on me. Well, I don't know about Andya Primanda, but I meant what I said. I have no intentions of retracting my statement either.
Neither the Jews, nor the Christians, will accept you, unless you follow their system. Say, "GOD's guidance is the true guidance." If you acquiesce to their wishes, despite the knowledge you have received, you will find no ally or supporter to help you against GOD.
They said, "GOD has begotten a son!" Be He glorified; never! To Him belongs everything in the heavens and the earth; all are subservient to Him.
Who is it that say that GOD has a son?? Does albion not profess that GOD has a son?
The reason that I say that they are dishonest is because they profess the most illogical belief there is....They claim that GOD has a son. Not only that, they claim that this son has died for THEIR sins!! This is the epitome of dishonesty. I stand by what I said and I'm not the least bit concerned with what others here may think of me because of it.
One more thing. Look at all of the posts by albion and ApplePie and tell me that you cannot see where they have demonstrated dishonesty on numerous occasions.
Peace be with you all,
Damon.