Kill yourselvrs
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Salam to All,
I came across this verse:
Al-Baqarah 2:54
وَإِذۡ قَالَ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوۡمِهِۦ يَٰقَوۡمِ إِنَّكُمۡ ظَلَمۡتُمۡ أَنفُسَكُم بِٱتِّخَاذِكُمُ ٱلۡعِجۡلَ فَتُوبُوٓاْ إِلَىٰ بَارِئِكُمۡ فَٱقۡتُلُوٓاْ أَنفُسَكُمۡ ذَٰلِكُمۡ خَيۡرࣱ لَّكُمۡ عِندَ بَارِئِكُمۡ فَتَابَ عَلَيۡكُمۡۚ إِنَّهُۥ هُوَ ٱلتَّوَّابُ ٱلرَّحِيمُ
And when Moses said to his people, "O my people, indeed you have wronged yourselves by your taking of the calf. So repent to your Creator and kill yourselves, That is best for you in the sight of your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance; indeed, He is the Accepting of Repentance, the Merciful.
Is this verse telling as that those who worshiped the calf should comitt Mass suicide?
What does kill yourselves mean here?
Can anyone tell me
God bless all
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@Layth if what you mean is mass suicide. What about this verse, which says Do not kill yourselves.
An-Nisa' 4:29
يَآأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لَا تَأۡكُلُوٓاْ أَمۡوَٰلَكُم بَيۡنَكُم بِٱلۡبَٰطِلِ إِلَّآ أَن تَكُونَ تِجَٰرَةً عَن تَرَاضࣲ مِّنكُمۡۚ وَلَا تَقۡتُلُوٓاْ أَنفُسَكُمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ بِكُمۡ رَحِيمࣰا
O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly, but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves. Indeed, Allāh is to you ever Merciful.
An-Nisa' 4:30
وَمَن يَفۡعَلۡ ذَٰلِكَ عُدۡوَٰنࣰا وَظُلۡمࣰا فَسَوۡفَ نُصۡلِيهِ نَارࣰاۚ وَكَانَ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ يَسِيرًا
And whoever does that in aggression and injustice - then We will drive him into a Fire. And that, for Allāh, is [always] easy.
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The problem with 2:54 is everyone stops and asks the same question you did: "God would never order this!" and then they have to start playing games with the meaning of "kill yourselves" to make sense of it all...However, all you need to do is just read 2 verses down from your question as the answer was provided:
وَإِذْ قُلْتُمْ يَـٰمُوسَىٰ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّىٰ نَرَى ٱللَّهَ جَهْرَةًۭ فَأَخَذَتْكُمُ ٱلصَّـٰعِقَةُ وَأَنتُمْ تَنظُرُونَ ٥٥ ثُمَّ بَعَثْنَـٰكُم مِّنۢ بَعْدِ مَوْتِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ ٥٦
2:55 And you said: “O Moses, we will not believe you until we see God openly!” So the thunderbolt took you while you were still staring.
2:56 Then We revived you after your death that you may be thankful.There was a clear reason for this request, that when they didn't kill themselves, God did it for them and then resurrected them.
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This verse used to haunt me for many years and then I just turned a blind eye as I do not know exactly how to interpret them in actual fact.
2:54:[relying on available translations]
“And remember when Moses said to his people, “O my people! Surely you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf, so turn in repentance to your Creator and execute the calf-worshippers among yourselves. That is best for you in the sight of your Creator.” Then He accepted your repentance. Surely He is the Accepter of Repentance, Most Merciful.I often wonder: does this mean literal mass suicide or something symbolic as Quran way of guiding humanity.
And Please do not label me like a traditionalist or conventionalist as am only quoting the historical sources to be able to understand in depth.Most early scholars like Ibn Kathir or Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi said the command was literal but specific to that time else they would have to answer that how it is contradicting to the overall theme of Quran [Ref: Centi 2nd reply with reference to the verses] which is what most traditional scholars resort to...
Traditional interpretation in tafaseer as:
- After the Israelites worshipped the golden calf Moses told those who stayed loyal to God to execute those who worshipped it.
- It was a unique divinely-commanded act of justice not suicide.
After it happened God forgave them (“Then He turned to you in mercy”).
The wording faqtulu anfusakum (kill yourselves) can mean “kill each other among yourselves”. - Other verses about the Israelites show different incidents introduced by “And when… (wa-idh), so they see this as a historical punishment not a general rule. The “wa-idh” at the start of 2:55 marks a new scene. So from this angle Layth’s interpretation that 2:55–56 happened because they didn’t obey 2:54 doesn’t match the Quran’s grammatical structure. It’s like reading separate flashbacks in one long list; the “and when” tells you we have jumped to a different episode.
- They reconcile it with 4:29 (“Do not kill yourselves”) by saying 2:54 was a one-time exception ordered directly by God while 4:29 is a universal law for everyone else.
Quran Centric Interpretation [Muhammad Asad, Rashad Khalifa etc.] say the verses are metaphorical where The Israelites were being told to destroy the arrogant self that turned to idol-worship ; to humble themselves before God again.
- Kill yourselves means kill your ego or lower self the part that led you to shirk (idol-worship).
- The Quran frequently uses “death” and “life” as metaphors for moral decline and renewal.
- God’s command here is about repentance through humility not killing bodies.
- 4:29 clearly forbids killing oneself: Do not kill yourselves; God is ever Merciful to you.” [God would not contradict His own moral law.]
- The verse ends with “He is the Accepting of Repentance, the Merciful.” [That fits better with a spiritual reform, not a bloodbath].
- The Arabic anfusakum often means “your inner selves,” not only “your physical lives.” [2:57].
Sources:
In The Message of the Quran (well-known English translation and commentary), Asad explicitly treats 2:54 as metaphorical not literal killing.
Here’s his exact translation and footnote:
2:54 – Translation (Muhammad Asad):
“And when Moses said to his people: ‘O my people! Verily, you have sinned against yourselves by worshipping the calf. Turn, then, in repentance to your Maker, and mortify your own selves: this will be best for you in your Maker’s sight.’ Thereupon He accepted your repentance: for, behold, He alone is the Acceptor of Repentance, the Dispenser of Grace.”
Now, in footnote 62, Asad explains what “mortify your own selves” means:
Asad’s Footnote 62:
“The expression ‘kill yourselves’ or ‘mortify yourselves’ is clearly metaphorical, signifying the slaying of the passions of one’s own self which had caused one to turn to the worship of the calf. The Qur’an frequently uses qatala (‘to kill’) in this sense of ‘subduing’ or ‘suppressing’ one’s passions or evil impulses.”Dr. Rashad Khalifa’s translation is simpler and shorter but his notes show he also understood it metaphorically, consistent with his general Quran-only philosophy.
2:54 Translation (Rashad Khalifa):
“Recall that Moses said to his people, ‘O my people, you have wronged your souls by worshiping the calf. You must repent to your Creator. Therefore, you shall kill your egos. This is better for you in the sight of your Creator.’ He did redeem you. He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful.”Hence from these Quran only folks what one could deduce is that The verse describes a people killing their corrupt habits and being revived as a new, morally healthy community:
- The Israelites’ “killing themselves” means recognising their wrongdoing and returning to divine laws with humility.
- Then We revived you after your death (2:56) refers to God reviving them as a free, self-governing nation after years of slavery and moral decay.
- Their “death” was spiritual and social losing dignity and freedom and their “revival” was re-establishing moral and political life under divine guidance.
- The links 7:152–155, where the Israelites “brought harm to themselves” through calf-worship clearly a moral, not physical, injury.
- The Qur’an repeatedly uses “death” and “life” as metaphors for nations’ rise and fall (6:122, 8:24, 16:21).
- God’s laws always work through natural consequences: when a society reforms itself, it is “revived.”
However I think Layth reply talks about next verses (2:55–56) show what happened when they didn’t obey (this is the point where) God Himself caused their death by thunderbolt and then resurrected them. So in his view, both the killing and revival were literal.
While others view (as i mentioned above) point out that the Quran’s structure (each “And when…” starting a new episode) shows these are two separate incidents quoted in the verses; one about idol-worship and repentance, and another about demanding to “see God openly.”I think Whatever interpretation one prefers, the core lesson remains the same:
True repentance means recognizing your wrongdoing humbling yourself before divine truth and rebuilding your moral life [not destroying it] -
1- The verse says, "kill your nafs". The word "nafs" is used. Nafs is the psycho-biological characteristic of a human being.
2- The one speaking is Moses; that is, his speech is given in the verse. Here, Prophet Moses could be conveying the revelation that came to him, or he could be using his own expression entirely. But in any case, "nafs" is mentioned in the verse.
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Peace.
Does this not also mean just to surrender yourselves/ be GOD conscious and humble yourselves. i.e kill the Ego/Nafs.
Later verses shows them GOD s power , all should surrender and follow the only power/authority to succeed/repent. Everything belongs to GOD.
GOD bless.
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This verse used to haunt me for many years and then I just turned a blind eye as I do not know exactly how to interpret them in actual fact.
2:54:[relying on available translations]
“And remember when Moses said to his people, “O my people! Surely you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf, so turn in repentance to your Creator and execute the calf-worshippers among yourselves. That is best for you in the sight of your Creator.” Then He accepted your repentance. Surely He is the Accepter of Repentance, Most Merciful.I often wonder: does this mean literal mass suicide or something symbolic as Quran way of guiding humanity.
And Please do not label me like a traditionalist or conventionalist as am only quoting the historical sources to be able to understand in depth.Most early scholars like Ibn Kathir or Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi said the command was literal but specific to that time else they would have to answer that how it is contradicting to the overall theme of Quran [Ref: Centi 2nd reply with reference to the verses] which is what most traditional scholars resort to...
Traditional interpretation in tafaseer as:
- After the Israelites worshipped the golden calf Moses told those who stayed loyal to God to execute those who worshipped it.
- It was a unique divinely-commanded act of justice not suicide.
After it happened God forgave them (“Then He turned to you in mercy”).
The wording faqtulu anfusakum (kill yourselves) can mean “kill each other among yourselves”. - Other verses about the Israelites show different incidents introduced by “And when… (wa-idh), so they see this as a historical punishment not a general rule. The “wa-idh” at the start of 2:55 marks a new scene. So from this angle Layth’s interpretation that 2:55–56 happened because they didn’t obey 2:54 doesn’t match the Quran’s grammatical structure. It’s like reading separate flashbacks in one long list; the “and when” tells you we have jumped to a different episode.
- They reconcile it with 4:29 (“Do not kill yourselves”) by saying 2:54 was a one-time exception ordered directly by God while 4:29 is a universal law for everyone else.
Quran Centric Interpretation [Muhammad Asad, Rashad Khalifa etc.] say the verses are metaphorical where The Israelites were being told to destroy the arrogant self that turned to idol-worship ; to humble themselves before God again.
- Kill yourselves means kill your ego or lower self the part that led you to shirk (idol-worship).
- The Quran frequently uses “death” and “life” as metaphors for moral decline and renewal.
- God’s command here is about repentance through humility not killing bodies.
- 4:29 clearly forbids killing oneself: Do not kill yourselves; God is ever Merciful to you.” [God would not contradict His own moral law.]
- The verse ends with “He is the Accepting of Repentance, the Merciful.” [That fits better with a spiritual reform, not a bloodbath].
- The Arabic anfusakum often means “your inner selves,” not only “your physical lives.” [2:57].
Sources:
In The Message of the Quran (well-known English translation and commentary), Asad explicitly treats 2:54 as metaphorical not literal killing.
Here’s his exact translation and footnote:
2:54 – Translation (Muhammad Asad):
“And when Moses said to his people: ‘O my people! Verily, you have sinned against yourselves by worshipping the calf. Turn, then, in repentance to your Maker, and mortify your own selves: this will be best for you in your Maker’s sight.’ Thereupon He accepted your repentance: for, behold, He alone is the Acceptor of Repentance, the Dispenser of Grace.”
Now, in footnote 62, Asad explains what “mortify your own selves” means:
Asad’s Footnote 62:
“The expression ‘kill yourselves’ or ‘mortify yourselves’ is clearly metaphorical, signifying the slaying of the passions of one’s own self which had caused one to turn to the worship of the calf. The Qur’an frequently uses qatala (‘to kill’) in this sense of ‘subduing’ or ‘suppressing’ one’s passions or evil impulses.”Dr. Rashad Khalifa’s translation is simpler and shorter but his notes show he also understood it metaphorically, consistent with his general Quran-only philosophy.
2:54 Translation (Rashad Khalifa):
“Recall that Moses said to his people, ‘O my people, you have wronged your souls by worshiping the calf. You must repent to your Creator. Therefore, you shall kill your egos. This is better for you in the sight of your Creator.’ He did redeem you. He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful.”Hence from these Quran only folks what one could deduce is that The verse describes a people killing their corrupt habits and being revived as a new, morally healthy community:
- The Israelites’ “killing themselves” means recognising their wrongdoing and returning to divine laws with humility.
- Then We revived you after your death (2:56) refers to God reviving them as a free, self-governing nation after years of slavery and moral decay.
- Their “death” was spiritual and social losing dignity and freedom and their “revival” was re-establishing moral and political life under divine guidance.
- The links 7:152–155, where the Israelites “brought harm to themselves” through calf-worship clearly a moral, not physical, injury.
- The Qur’an repeatedly uses “death” and “life” as metaphors for nations’ rise and fall (6:122, 8:24, 16:21).
- God’s laws always work through natural consequences: when a society reforms itself, it is “revived.”
However I think Layth reply talks about next verses (2:55–56) show what happened when they didn’t obey (this is the point where) God Himself caused their death by thunderbolt and then resurrected them. So in his view, both the killing and revival were literal.
While others view (as i mentioned above) point out that the Quran’s structure (each “And when…” starting a new episode) shows these are two separate incidents quoted in the verses; one about idol-worship and repentance, and another about demanding to “see God openly.”I think Whatever interpretation one prefers, the core lesson remains the same:
True repentance means recognizing your wrongdoing humbling yourself before divine truth and rebuilding your moral life [not destroying it] -
Emre point is very interesting in that the speaker in the verse is Moses; therefore, the wording kill your nafs may reflect Moses own emphatic way of conveying the divine call to repentance not necessarily a direct order from God to commit actual killing....
A comparable example is the story of Abraham’s dream about sacrificing his son. The Quran indicates that Abraham mistook his dream for a divine command, and God intervened to stop him, clarifying that it was not His order at all. This shows how a prophet may express or momentarily interpret an experience with intense human emotion, while God’s true intent always remains consistent with mercy and justice. And it also shows how interpretations can vary to cause multiple understandingsCenti, in my earlier post I was mainly trying to summarize the different explanations others shared here along with my own understanding so far.
To be honest I have not personally settled on one view whether the verse refers to a literal command or a metaphorical expression. I think both possibilities deserve reflection.
That said I feel we have to be careful when we say I can’t imagine God would order this or that etc.... God can be as merciful or as severe as He wills and we cannot always define His actions based on what we find imaginable.
The Quran itself recounts many examples where entire civilizations like the people of ad, Thamud, or Lut were destroyed through natural disasters as a form of divine judgment. In those cases there must have been collateral loss too possibly even among those who seemed innocent or children yet the overall act served a divine purpose that only God fully understands.
Of course such direct punishments do not seem to occur in our time or at least not in the same form. If today’s natural disasters were truly divine punishment the pattern of guilt and consequence would be much clearer but it isnot. So perhaps those earlier events were unique serving a particular role in God’s plan of guidance and warning.
In any case, I am just thinking aloud. These verses remind me that God’s justice and mercy both operate far beyond human imagination, and its best to approach them with humility rather than certainty.
11:102–103:
Such is the grasp of your Lord when He seizes the towns while they are doing wrong. Indeed His grasp is painful and severe. Surely in that is a sign for those who fear the punishment of the Hereafter. [Maybe this is a universal statement from God at all times or perhaps time bound and in both cases we do not know for sure because I can not comprehend with my limited knowledge if this can be applied in todays time.... only he knows who is guided or not]
(11:123):
To God belongs the unseen of the heavens and the earth and to Him all matters are returned. So worship Him and trust in Him. And your Lord is never unmindful of what you do.
6:133
Your Lord is the Self-Sufficient, the Possessor of Mercy. If He wills, He can do away with you and replace you with others just as He produced you from the descendants of other people. -
I think some of these conclusions are not having the patience to absorb the Quran and are trying to force different meanings on words to make it sit better. Nafs is "soul" - it is the thing that God takes when we die, it is the thing that you are held accountable for if you take from someone else without justice - it is never an "ego" as Rashad or others made it to be just to please the crowd or reconcile what "they thought" was a conflict.
Let me give another example where you will have to change the Quran if you follow this same logic: Solomon declared war on Sheba and threatened them with his army when they posed no threat and actually their only crime was worshipping the Sun! (Sura 27:23-37)
How is that possible?!
To get out of this problem which now contradicts the verses on freedom of religion and defensive warfare, we will have to start changing the words and meanings there as well!
However, if you can see that both these verses were prophet's speaking - and if you recall that God tells us "He is not to be asked about what He does, but they are asked" - then you would understand that the One who gives life can take it without reason or condition - therefore taking away any conflict from these verses with any other verses (we hear & obey).
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I think some of these conclusions are not having the patience to absorb the Quran and are trying to force different meanings on words to make it sit better. Nafs is "soul" - it is the thing that God takes when we die, it is the thing that you are held accountable for if you take from someone else without justice - it is never an "ego" as Rashad or others made it to be just to please the crowd or reconcile what "they thought" was a conflict.
Let me give another example where you will have to change the Quran if you follow this same logic: Solomon declared war on Sheba and threatened them with his army when they posed no threat and actually their only crime was worshipping the Sun! (Sura 27:23-37)
How is that possible?!
To get out of this problem which now contradicts the verses on freedom of religion and defensive warfare, we will have to start changing the words and meanings there as well!
However, if you can see that both these verses were prophet's speaking - and if you recall that God tells us "He is not to be asked about what He does, but they are asked" - then you would understand that the One who gives life can take it without reason or condition - therefore taking away any conflict from these verses with any other verses (we hear & obey).
@Layth
Salam bro,
There is a difference when God punish you by death or any form. Let's be honest, it will be hard for a group of people to commit suicide. God destroying them is much easier than a group of people taking their own souls. God has punished many people in many ways which is understandable. But having to take your own soul is not easy.God bless
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@Layth
Salam bro,
There is a difference when God punish you by death or any form. Let's be honest, it will be hard for a group of people to commit suicide. God destroying them is much easier than a group of people taking their own souls. God has punished many people in many ways which is understandable. But having to take your own soul is not easy.God bless
@centi50s we have no prophet amongst us, which means the probability of this happening again is 0%. I take a position not to knowingly alter the Quran’s text if I personally am uncomfortable to a story or concept - we should report it as it is. Otherwise you go down a slippery slope and will rebrand much more than this (which is what the Quranists do).
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RELATED VERSES
AL-BAQARAH 2:51-56 (FULL CONTEXT) 51. "And [recall] when We made an appointment with Moses for forty nights. Then you took the calf (as an idol) after him and became wrongdoers." 52. "Then We forgave you after that. So that you might be grateful." 53. "And [recall] when We gave Moses the Book and the Furqan (the criterion to distinguish between right and wrong). So that you might be guided." 54. "And [recall] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people! You have wronged yourselves by taking the calf (as an idol). Now repent to your Creator and kill yourselves (faktuluː enfusekum / فَاقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ). This is better for you in the sight of your Creator.' Then He accepted your repentance. Indeed, He is the One who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful." 55. "And [recall] when you said, 'O Moses! We will never believe you until we see Allah openly,' and the thunderbolt struck you (fe-eḫazetkumu ṣ-ṣāʿiqatu / فَأَخَذَتْكُمُ الصَّاعِقَةُ) while you were looking on." 56. "Then We resurrected you after your death (min baʿdi mewtikum / مِن بَعْدِ مَوْتِكُمْ). So that you might be grateful."
AN-NISA 4:66 66. "And if We had decreed upon them: 'Kill yourselves (uqtuluː enfusekum / اقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ) or leave your homes,' they would not have done it, except for a few of them. But if they had done what they were instructed, it would have been better for them and a stronger confirmation (of their faith)."
AL-A'RAF 7:148-154 (DETAILED NARRATION OF THE CALF INCIDENT) 148. "And the people of Moses, in his absence, took from their ornaments a calf statue which lowed. Did they not see that it could not speak to them or guide them to a way? They took it (as an idol) and became wrongdoers." 149. "When they repented and realized they had gone astray, they said: 'If our Lord does not have mercy on us and forgive us, we will surely be among the losers.'" 150. "When Moses returned to his people, angry and grieving, he said: 'What an evil thing you have done in my absence! Did you hasten the command of your Lord?' He threw down the tablets and seized his brother by the head, pulling him towards himself..." 151. "Moses said: 'My Lord! Forgive me and my brother, and admit us into Your mercy. You are the Most Merciful of those who show mercy.'" 152. "Indeed, those who took the calf (as an idol) will be overtaken by wrath from their Lord and humiliation in the worldly life. Thus do We recompense the inventors of falsehood." 153. "But as for those who committed evil deeds and then repented afterward and believed; indeed, your Lord, after that, is surely Forgiving, Most Merciful." 154. "When Moses's anger subsided, he took up the tablets. In their inscription was guidance and mercy for those who hold their Lord in awe."
AL-BAQARAH 2:72-73 (THE COW SACRIFICE - RESURRECTION EXAMPLE) 72. "And [recall] when you killed a man and disputed about it. But Allah was to bring out what you were concealing." 73. "So We said, 'Strike him (the dead man) with a part of it (the slain cow).' Thus Allah brings the dead to life and shows you His signs. So that you may use reason."
IMPORTANT LINGUISTIC DETAIL "Faktuluː enfusekum" (فَاقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ)
قتل (katele) = to kill أنفس (enfus) = souls/yourselves Same expression in Al-Baqarah 2:54 and An-Nisa 4:66
KEY POINT An-Nisa 4:66 clearly states: "They would NOT have done it, except for a few of them" - meaning it is implied that in the historical event (Baqarah 2:54), they also DID NOT DO IT!
NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE NARRATIVE OF THIS EVENT IN THE "FAKE TORAH" , WHICH IS FULL OF ERRORS:
THE NARRATIVE IN THE TORAH (EXODUS 32)
EXODUS CHAPTER 32
1-6. The Making of the Calf: When Moses delayed on the mountain, the people tell Aaron, "make us gods." Aaron collects the gold earrings and casts a golden calf. The people say: "This is your god, O Israel, who brought you out of Egypt!" Aaron builds an altar and declares a festival.
7-10. God's Wrath: The LORD says to Moses: "Your people have become corrupt, go down and see." He says: "Let my anger burn, that I may destroy them."
11-14. Moses's Intercession: Moses pleads: "Why should your anger burn?" God "relented from the evil."
THE PUNISHMENT (32:25-29) 25-26: "Moses saw that the people were running wild... So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, 'Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!' And all the Levites gathered around him." 27-28: "He said to them: 'This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’' The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about 3,000 of the people died." 29: "Then Moses said, 'You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers. He has blessed you this day.'"
30-35: Moses: "You have committed a great sin... perhaps I can make atonement for your sin." He goes up the mountain, intercedes. God: "Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book." The LORD "struck the people with a plague."
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RELATED VERSES
AL-BAQARAH 2:51-56 (FULL CONTEXT) 51. "And [recall] when We made an appointment with Moses for forty nights. Then you took the calf (as an idol) after him and became wrongdoers." 52. "Then We forgave you after that. So that you might be grateful." 53. "And [recall] when We gave Moses the Book and the Furqan (the criterion to distinguish between right and wrong). So that you might be guided." 54. "And [recall] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people! You have wronged yourselves by taking the calf (as an idol). Now repent to your Creator and kill yourselves (faktuluː enfusekum / فَاقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ). This is better for you in the sight of your Creator.' Then He accepted your repentance. Indeed, He is the One who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful." 55. "And [recall] when you said, 'O Moses! We will never believe you until we see Allah openly,' and the thunderbolt struck you (fe-eḫazetkumu ṣ-ṣāʿiqatu / فَأَخَذَتْكُمُ الصَّاعِقَةُ) while you were looking on." 56. "Then We resurrected you after your death (min baʿdi mewtikum / مِن بَعْدِ مَوْتِكُمْ). So that you might be grateful."
AN-NISA 4:66 66. "And if We had decreed upon them: 'Kill yourselves (uqtuluː enfusekum / اقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ) or leave your homes,' they would not have done it, except for a few of them. But if they had done what they were instructed, it would have been better for them and a stronger confirmation (of their faith)."
AL-A'RAF 7:148-154 (DETAILED NARRATION OF THE CALF INCIDENT) 148. "And the people of Moses, in his absence, took from their ornaments a calf statue which lowed. Did they not see that it could not speak to them or guide them to a way? They took it (as an idol) and became wrongdoers." 149. "When they repented and realized they had gone astray, they said: 'If our Lord does not have mercy on us and forgive us, we will surely be among the losers.'" 150. "When Moses returned to his people, angry and grieving, he said: 'What an evil thing you have done in my absence! Did you hasten the command of your Lord?' He threw down the tablets and seized his brother by the head, pulling him towards himself..." 151. "Moses said: 'My Lord! Forgive me and my brother, and admit us into Your mercy. You are the Most Merciful of those who show mercy.'" 152. "Indeed, those who took the calf (as an idol) will be overtaken by wrath from their Lord and humiliation in the worldly life. Thus do We recompense the inventors of falsehood." 153. "But as for those who committed evil deeds and then repented afterward and believed; indeed, your Lord, after that, is surely Forgiving, Most Merciful." 154. "When Moses's anger subsided, he took up the tablets. In their inscription was guidance and mercy for those who hold their Lord in awe."
AL-BAQARAH 2:72-73 (THE COW SACRIFICE - RESURRECTION EXAMPLE) 72. "And [recall] when you killed a man and disputed about it. But Allah was to bring out what you were concealing." 73. "So We said, 'Strike him (the dead man) with a part of it (the slain cow).' Thus Allah brings the dead to life and shows you His signs. So that you may use reason."
IMPORTANT LINGUISTIC DETAIL "Faktuluː enfusekum" (فَاقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ)
قتل (katele) = to kill أنفس (enfus) = souls/yourselves Same expression in Al-Baqarah 2:54 and An-Nisa 4:66
KEY POINT An-Nisa 4:66 clearly states: "They would NOT have done it, except for a few of them" - meaning it is implied that in the historical event (Baqarah 2:54), they also DID NOT DO IT!
NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE NARRATIVE OF THIS EVENT IN THE "FAKE TORAH" , WHICH IS FULL OF ERRORS:
THE NARRATIVE IN THE TORAH (EXODUS 32)
EXODUS CHAPTER 32
1-6. The Making of the Calf: When Moses delayed on the mountain, the people tell Aaron, "make us gods." Aaron collects the gold earrings and casts a golden calf. The people say: "This is your god, O Israel, who brought you out of Egypt!" Aaron builds an altar and declares a festival.
7-10. God's Wrath: The LORD says to Moses: "Your people have become corrupt, go down and see." He says: "Let my anger burn, that I may destroy them."
11-14. Moses's Intercession: Moses pleads: "Why should your anger burn?" God "relented from the evil."
THE PUNISHMENT (32:25-29) 25-26: "Moses saw that the people were running wild... So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, 'Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!' And all the Levites gathered around him." 27-28: "He said to them: 'This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’' The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about 3,000 of the people died." 29: "Then Moses said, 'You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers. He has blessed you this day.'"
30-35: Moses: "You have committed a great sin... perhaps I can make atonement for your sin." He goes up the mountain, intercedes. God: "Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book." The LORD "struck the people with a plague."
@Emre_1974tr salam bro,
Are you saying God commanded others to go on a killing spree to slaughter those who do not worship God? What happened to verse 2:256, 6:104, 9:99, which tells us not to compel others to believe? If those people disbelieved and God punished them. He has that Authority. But saying that God commanded others to go on a Rampage and kill people who refused to believe, can't get into my mind. What will be the difference when Israel quote the Jewish Bible to give weight to what they are doing to Palestinians? No difference. Those Zionist quote bible equate Palestinians as Amalakites and So they are killing the Palestinians becoz God commanded themGod bless All
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@Emre_1974tr salam bro,
Are you saying God commanded others to go on a killing spree to slaughter those who do not worship God? What happened to verse 2:256, 6:104, 9:99, which tells us not to compel others to believe? If those people disbelieved and God punished them. He has that Authority. But saying that God commanded others to go on a Rampage and kill people who refused to believe, can't get into my mind. What will be the difference when Israel quote the Jewish Bible to give weight to what they are doing to Palestinians? No difference. Those Zionist quote bible equate Palestinians as Amalakites and So they are killing the Palestinians becoz God commanded themGod bless All
@centi50s said in Kill yourselvrs:
@Emre_1974tr salam bro,
Are you sayingHello, no I didn't say such a thing. What you are saying is the narrative of the false Torah.
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@centi50s said in Kill yourselvrs:
@Emre_1974tr salam bro,
Are you sayingHello, no I didn't say such a thing. What you are saying is the narrative of the false Torah.
@Emre_1974tr so what do you understand about the 2:54. Killing people because they chose not believe like is not right at all. I take the term is to kill your ego
God bless All
