Compilation of "salaat" verses
-
Peace be upon you Marie,
I was wondering if you could copy and paste the above verses and add the proper context of "you's" in those verses so we can look over them in the proper context.
-
Peace be upon you Marie,
Thank you for your trouble in advance. I greatly appreciate your efforts.
-
Peace be upon you Kyle,
Here are all the verses with "you / your" (singular form), I have added some verses, their number are without parenthesis.
(339) So the controlled called him while he maintained processing in the sanctuary "Truly The God announces good new to you with John confirming with a word from the God and a master and restricting himself (chaste), and a prophet from the righteous people."
(477) Did you not see to those who were said to them, "Prevent/stop your hands and maintain (YOU) the processs, and bring forth the purification(YOU)." So when the fighting was written on them, then a group from them fear the people, as the God's fear, or stronger fear, and they said, "Our Lord, for what (did) You write/decree on us the fighting, if only You delayed us to (a) near term." Say (you), "The present world's enjoyment (is) little, and the end (is) best to who feared and obeyed, and YOU do (will) not be caused injustice (as little as) a cleft in a seed."
(4102) And if you were in them, so you started for them the process, so a group from them should maintain with you, and they should take their weapons/arms, so if they prostrated, so they be from behind YOU, and another group should come (that) they did not process, so they process with you, and they should take their caution, and their weapons/arms; those who disbelieved, wished if YOU ignore/neglect YOUR weapons/arms, and YOUR goods, so they lean on YOU one bend, and no offense/guilt (is) on YOU if mild harm was with YOU from rain or YOU were sick/diseased, that YOU lay your weapons/arms, and take YOUR caution, truly The God prepared to the disbelievers a humiliating torture.
(4162) But the affirmed in the knowledge from them, and the believers, they believe with what was descended to you, and what was descended from before you, and the maintaining (of) the process, and the bringing forth (of) the purification , and the believing with The God, and the End Day, those, We will bring them a great reward.
671 Say (you) ?Shall we call upon other than God what cannot benefit us or harm us, and we turn back on our heels after God has guided us?? This is like the one whom the devils have managed to mislead on Earth, he is confused, having friends who call him to the guidance ?Come to us!? Say (you) ?The guidance is God?s guidance, and we have been ordered to surrender to the Lord of the worlds.?
(672) And maintain (YOU) the process and fear and obey (YOU)Him, and He is who to Him you are being gathered.
(692) And that (is) a book , We descended it blessed, confirming what (is) between his hands, and that you may warn (the) mother of cities and who (is) around it, and those who believe with the end , they believe with it, and they are, on their process, observing .
(9103) Take (you), from their wealths, charity, to cleanse (you) them , and to purify(you) them with it, and process (you) upon them, truly your process (is) tranquillity/security for them, and The God (is) hearing, knowledgeable.
(1187) They said "You Shu'aib, does your process order you that we discard what our fathers served, or that we do with our possessions what we want, truly you are the clement , the correctly guided."
(11114) And maintain (you) the process at (the) edges (of) the day, parts from the night; truly the goodnesses eliminate the sins, a reminder to the rememberers.
11115 And be (you) patient, for God does not waste the reward of the good doers.
(1431) Say (you) to My servants, those who believed, "They (should) maintain the process and spend from what We provided for them secretly and publicly from before that a day comes, (where there is) no trading in it and nor differences in opinions/friendships.
-
And they nearly diverted you from what We inspired to you so that you would fabricate something different against Us, and then they would have taken you as a friend!
-
And if We had not made you stand firm, you were about to lean towards them a little bit.
-
Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and double the retribution in death. And then you would not find for yourself any victor against Us.
-
And they nearly frightened you to drive you out of the land. But in that case, they would have shortly been destroyed after you were gone.
-
This is the way of those whom We sent before you of Our messengers. And you will not find any change in Our way.
(1778 ) Maintain(you) the process of the sun's subbing until the night's darkness, and the dawn's reading, truly the dawn's reading is being witnessed.
-
And from the night you shall reflect upon it additionally for yourself, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.
-
And Say (you) ?The truth has come and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is always bound to perish!?
-
And it is with truth that We have sent it down, and with truth it came down. And We have not sent you except as a bearer of good news and a warner.
-
And a Quran that We have separated, so that you may relate it to the people over time; and We have brought it down gradually.
-
Say (you) ?Believe in it or do not believe in it. Those who have been given the knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating.?
-
And they Say ?Praise be to our Lord. Truly, the promise of our Lord was fulfilled.?
-
And they fall upon their chins crying, and it increases them in humility.
(17110) Say (you), "Call The God, or call The Merciful, whichever you call, so for Him (are) the most beautiful names, and do not publicize/declare/raise (voice) (you) with your process, and do not silence/lower and hide (you) with it, and desire (you) between that a path."
- And Say (you) ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify (you) Him greatly.
(2014) Truly I am The God, no god except Me, so serve (you) Me, and maintain (you) the process for My remembrance.
-
And had it not been for a word already given by your Lord, they would have been held to account immediately.
-
So be (you) patient to what they are saying and glorify (you) the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and from the early part of the night glorify, and the edges of the daylight that you may be content.
-
And do not strain (you) your eyes on what We have given other people as luxuries of this worldly life, where We are testing them with it. The provision of your Lord is better and more lasting.
(20132) And order (you) your people with the process and endure (you) patience on it, We do not ask you (for) a provision/means of livelihood, We provide for you, and the end (result is) to the fear and obedience (of God).
(2441) Do you see that The God, glorifies for Him whom (is) in the skies and the earth, and birds (with) expanded and motionless wings in a row? Each had known its process and its glorification, and The God (is) knowledgeable with what they do.
(2945) Read/recite (you) what was inspired to you from The Book, and maintain (you) the process, truly the process prevent from the atrocious deeds and the defiance of The God and His orders, and The God's remembrance (is) greater , and The God knows what you perform/produce.
(3117) You my son, maintain the process, and order with the kindness, and forbid from the defiance of The God and His orders, and be patient on what struck you, truly (is) from the matter's determination."
(3518 ) And no sinner bears another's burden, and if she calls (a) burdened (self) to (remove) her load, nothing from it (will) be carried, and even if it is of relations, truly you warn those who fear their Lord with the unseen and they maintain the process, and who purifies, so truly he purifies to his soul, and to The God (is) the end.
(7320) Truly your Lord knows that you maintain nearly from two-thirds (of) the night and its half, and its third, and a group of people from those with you, and The God evaluates the night and the daytime, He knew that YOU (will) not count/compute it so He forgave on YOU , so read (YOU) what is easy from the reading. He knew that sick/diseased will be from YOU , and others moving in the Earth desiring from The God's grace, and others fighting in The God's path, so read (YOU) what is easy from it, and maintain (YOU) the process, and bring (YOU) forth the purification, and lend (YOU) The God a good loan, and what YOU advance for yourselves from goodness YOU find it at The God, it is better and greater (in) a reward, and ask (YOU) The God for forgiveness, truly The God (is) forgiving, merciful
I hope that helps
Marie
-
-
Peace be upon you Marie,
Thanks again for your work. I will go over these verses and give any comments after doing so.
-
Peace be upon you,
Too bad you follow teachings you cant prove. For example, you WILL NEVER be able to show proof for (2,4,4,3,4) rakaat shcedule, NEVER.
yes you can
-
Peace be upon you SHM,
Please do not respond just to respond. If you have a proof, please send me a private message, I do not want to discuss this on this thread.
-
Peace,
Bumping to the top for convinience
-
Peace be upon you,
Reading Aidid Safars article on salaat, for about the 100 th time, plus the constant debates that the supporters of this concept kept up, I think I am starting to appreciate the use of "commitment" for "solaa".
I still am not sure regarding verses like 4102 and the verse about dawn solaa.
-
Peace Idolfree,
I too appreciate Aidid Safar's commentary on Salat. However, like you, It still does not fit in with dawn, or the water, or 4102. I even had a post dedicated to explaining 4102 as "commitment" since I had problems doing so.
So, in my eyes If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.
So until there is an explanation, I can't accept it.Salat is so interesting....Its treated as if it is simple in the Qur'an, but we treat it as the most complex issue in the world.
-
thanks, Wakas.
At least I know that I am not the only one that is leaning towards NOT defining Salat as one definitive word or thing or motion or...whatever. Like I said, the Qur'an treats salat as being self evident. And the one thing that was self evident to me was that the meaning of salat is central, but has multiple manifestations and uses.
I appreciated the article. Before, I tried to theorize salat as being a process of remembrance and realization ( of which meditation is one of my personal "manifestations"). Turning towards works even better.
Peace
-
Peace be upon you Wakas,
I just read your article again with the same kind of attention I gave Aidid's article, and now I cant figure out which one is right!! D
Perhaps we can start a new thread "Turning Towards Vs. Commitment".
That would be helpful for my mind to figure this out.
-
peace be upon you Kyle,
going/turnings towards is a general term encompassing the core meaning of slw. Every occurrence has this connotation. ('commitment' fits within this umbrella concept/fold). The only difference that may arise is IF we are talking about the regular/timed slw, that is for the mumineen only, and it is strongly related to 'al quran'. For those, it is recommended to be done before & after the working day (whatever that may be for the individual/community).
Wakas
-
peace be upon you kyle,
Peace be upon you Wakas,
I just read your article again with the same kind of attention I gave Aidid's article, and now I cant figure out which one is right!! D
Perhaps we can start a new thread "Turning Towards Vs. Commitment".
That would be helpful for my mind to figure this out.
lol you're kinda back to square 1 on this issue
-
Peace be upon you Idris,
Yes, I am definately back to square one. D But I guess thats the only place to be where I wont have pre concieved ideas.
-
Peace, all...
I am glad to see that this topic is still at hand.
Recently, i have just finished reading Aidid Safar's "Hijacking of Islam", which gives an entire breakdown of his opinions on salat, hajj, etc.
I plan on reading it again immediately, this time with an open quran or two (translations, of course) in the hopes of verifying for myself what, if anything, he writes seems true.
In regards to the questions concerning commitment fitting into 4102 and the dawn "salat", here is how i understand Aidid's writings
the "commitment" is not one particular thing...the revelations contained within the quran are the commitment...all of them...from how to handle a divorce situation, to what to eat, to dealing with "non-believers", to times of war & aggression. what is also mentioned as a commitment is reading & reciting the quran. if, especially during this time of revelation, you are with a group preparing for war or to defend a potential attack, etc, and you want to do everything "by the book", would it not be required of you as the leader of this "militia" to review the gameplan with those involved? This falls in line with commitment. 1) you are committed to your troops as the leader, general, whatever; and 2) the is the obvious correlation between solaa/commitment and READING/RECITING.
The quran, as we know, is guidance and mercy from GOD, so in seeking guidance/advice for any of life's situations, including but not limited to battle, we shoould always consider & consult what the quran has to say.
We, unlike everything else in existence, were granted free will...and given a guidebook to help us use it properly. Our commitment is to following that guidebook. Perhaps solaa does not literally mean commitment, but "commitment" embodies the concept of following the quran to the best of our ability...commitment/follow closely, etc.Aidid suggests that each item listed in the quran is a commitment. Therefore, when the quran says that the dawn recitation is ever witnessed, that is a commitment. So, when it elsewhere generalizes as "during the dawn commitment", it would seem this is what it is referring to. Likewise, the night commitment...night is better for pondering and rearranging verses...to study all or part of the night, whatever is easy...that's our night commitment.
Finally, Aidid suggests that we are to uphold our commitments FROM the rising of the sun until its setting, and part of the night (because we don't all go to bed at sundown). When we are sleeping, we don't have to think about our commitments (unlike the people of mecca, who walk around with a stick to poke you if you are not sleeping on the correct side/position i'm told).The birds, like all things, are a community like ourselves, and the birds know their commitment. We, endowed with free will, do not. It was offered to others (the mountains, etc) but they refused...the human accepted. Since we don't "know" our commitments, we need to read, recite, listen, and follow that which is best...seek refuge in GOD from satan.
This is what i took from his book the first time through. I look forward to hearing from all.
May GOD guide us to the truth
brian -
Peace be upon you Brirob,
I tend to agree with what you are stating. I left this topic alone for a moment to approach it again with a clear mind. It seems like this is the correct option.
Is this also basically what you allude to Wakas?
Further though, I do not take it as reading a certain book called "Koran" at dawn, but meditating on the Universe at Dawn, The Great Reading of which we are all a character.
The problem I was having is that I thought this argument excluded a dawn and also a dusk "commitment".
This also fits with my understanding of "Isa, Son of Marium" which is your 'WILL' , which allows you to command your Emotions so they might move you in the path of righteousness, rather than being one who is led by emotions. Isa was commanded to maintain the commitment from "birth", this is possible for the WILL of man, which is the means of maintaining the commitment.
-
peace, all.
i began thinking further about this topic, and began thinking about the bible as well. what commitments does it hold? and how do these compare and contrast?
that brought me to the 10 commandments. i am not convinced that "salat" is to be translated literally as "commitments" as i have previously stated, but the concept is accurate, i believe.
so i thought, "what is an English word that means 'things GOD wants us to do?" that's when i recalled THE 10 COMMANDMENTS.
a google search for hebrew meaning of commandments brought lots of pages...here's one or 2 quotes from them
And the question I am putting to you is how can we uphold and affirm as a Reform value ? The Commandments, with a Capital C ?
The short answer is by means of another word beginning with C ? Commitment.
We uphold them because we are committed to them. There are many things in life which we may not be able to subscribe to 100%. We may not like our job but we?re committed ? we?ve signed a contract; we may not agree with everything the State of Israel does but we stand to Israel in the same relationship as to our family and to the Jewish people as a whole. And it is a commitment. It does not have to be an uncritical commitment. But we cannot opt out without denying who we are.
I put it to you, the same is true of the Commandments. We may not be able to subscribe to them all, but we are committed to the concept of Commandments, mitzvoth, simply by virtue of being Reform Jews.
http//www.mcr-reform.org.uk/A-Z%20sermons/C%20is%20also%20for%20Commandments.htmThe word (davar) may better be translated as "order" as in the phrase "And YHWH gave orders to Moses saying". A commanding officer does not speak to his troops. he has formulated his action plans and has determined the best means to have these plans carried out. Once all of this is determined, he gives his "orders" to his troops. These orders are "an ordered arrangement".
The phrase "Ten Commandments" does not actually appear in the Hebrew Bible, instead it is aseret hadevariym" and is literally translated as "ten orders". The "Ten Commandments" are our orders from God (the general). They are an ordered arrangement of ideas that if followed will bring about peace and harmony
http//www.ancient-hebrew.org/emagazine/002.htmlthese do not verify anything, but they have helped me to feel comfortable with the concept of what commitments are. the word itself is not as important, and i'll continue reading it as commitments, with the understanding that salat falls into the same catagory as commandments, or orders GOD would like us to follow.
just my thought for today.
peace,
brian
