86.004 Protector From Jinns and Shaytans?
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SaLaM TheNabi
Apart from it being my personel opinion, here is how i came to this conclusion. The meaning of the word Guardian from dictionary.com
Guardian One that guards, watches over, or protects.
Lets just say that these angels, they dont guard us, they dont protect us. But we know they are there. All the time they are there. Would it be fair to say, that they are watching over us? watching our every action. Recording it? In that sense, and from the meaning of the word Guardian, is it so wrong to say they are our Guardian Angels? http//www.geocities.com/bigjaxal/s1.gif
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Salaam Jaxal,
I believe the meaning watch over is meant in the sense of keeping guard over a thing or person. Malaika whose job it is to record one's every thought and action do not fall into this category. So no, even though it may seem the same, it is not. I would not say they are guardians, for a guard watches over one specifically for protection. Malaika are said to be watching over one specifically to record.
Joe
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SaLaM TheNabi
Ok. God is out Guardian. Its all over the Quran. But wouldnt you agree, that God , especially, in this age sends one of his good people to help whoever God wills to help. It has happened to me. It has happened to a lot of people who wil swear on their life that God sent this kind person to help them. Would you agree to this?
Why do you find it so hard to believe that maybe, just maybe, God has these 2 angles who are always watching us. Isnt it possible even a tiny bit that maybe God may give permission to these angels to help us? Ah, but God can do it himself , i hear you say. Ofcourse God can do it all Himself. He created the hevens, the earths, the hell ALL by himself. And yet, we see examples of how God has used other people to help mankind. Sending angels to convey his message is also not something that is totally out there. Prophet Muhammad talked to Angel Jibril. Mary was also sent an Angel to tell Mary that she will be having a baby. Also, i think its in the Bible, when a Angel came to Moses ( i think but correct me if i am wrong ). And Moses asked to travel with this being. Im sure you have heard of it. What im trying to say is, why do you find it absolutely impossible that God wont help us through these two angels? If God can choose to help us through his good men, why cant God choose to help us through these two Angels who are ALWAYS with us?
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Peace all,
There is this verse 1311
For each (such person) there are (angels) in succession, before and behind him They guard him by command of Allah. Allah does not change a people's lot unless they change what is in their hearts. But when (once) Allah willeth a people's punishment, there can be no turning it back, nor will they find, besides Him, any to protect.
If we don't use the word malaika, how would we understand it? This is not a rhetorical question, in case it wasn't clear. I would like to hear an alternative view. In the literal the other word used besides angels are glorifications and in the PM, it is retainers.
Btw, to Jafar...what would you define magic and witchcraft as? As in voodoo?
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Btw, to Jafar...what would you define magic and witchcraft as? As in voodoo?
According to a friend of mine, it's a 'dark/negative energy' which 'influence' human's 'aura' state (make it 'gloomy' / 'stressfull' / 'posessed' etc..) Every kinds of 'dark magic' always involved calling / asking the help of demons or djinns... (Wallahualam Bisshowab)
I've read a story somewhere that there's a guy who invented the 'anti-witchcraft' device for regular home usage. The device will repel all incoming 'negative/dark energy' (including demons and djins) inside a certain circular radius (10 or 15 meters). This device is powered by electricity as any other regular home electronic apparatus, and had the shape of somewhat like a 'pyramid'. The guy claimed that the device has been 'thoroughly tested' by many 'shaman' and 'witchcraft practicioners'...
Allah knows best
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According to a friend of mine, it's a 'dark/negative energy' which 'influence' human's 'aura' state (make it 'gloomy' / 'stressfull' / 'posessed' etc..) Every kinds of 'dark magic' always involved calling / asking the help of demons or djinns... (Wallahualam Bisshowab)
I haven't seen evidence of this happening with someone else causing it. I mean I feel gloomy/stressful at times...but is it because someone else is causing it specifically as opposed to my own feelings? I don't know how far to buy into possession and other assorted things like that, since I personally believe that these kinds to things are all psychological (without the deliberate interference of someone wanting to cause it)...I might change my mind if someone can duplicate these in front of me consistently. Like practise some magic on someone who they don't know, who will then go through precisely what is intended through the magic. Otherwise, it's a bit on the wild side for me right now.
I've read a story somewhere that there's a guy who invented the 'anti-witchcraft' device for regular home usage. The device will repel all incoming 'negative/dark energy' (including demons and djins) inside a certain circular radius (10 or 15 meters). This device is powered by electricity as any other regular home electronic apparatus, and had the shape of somewhat like a 'pyramid'. The guy claimed that the device has been 'thoroughly tested' by many 'shaman' and 'witchcraft practicioners'...
lol , sweet...the pyramid shape is good for preservation, like keeping food fresher etc but I like the guy's guarantee, it's tested.
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I haven't seen evidence of this happening with someone else causing it. I don't know how far to buy into possession and other assorted things like that
Well I have.. with my own eyes..
Witchcraft, demon posessions are 'real phenomenon'... what is the purpose for Al-Falaq nor An-Nas written then?113.004
Wamin sharri alnnaffathati fee alAAuqad
From the mischief of those who practise secret arts -
SaLaM SC
My grandmother told me of a woman who used to practice black magic on other people. Making them miserable and things like that. She achieved what she was doing, but she lost her kids. That was the price she had to pay. In the end, the whole block had to come down to her house to stop her from sacrificing her last child to black magic.
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Well I have.. with my own eyes..
Witchcraft, demon posessions are 'real phenomenon'... what is the purpose for Al-Falaq nor An-Nas written then?Can you elucidate?
Here is an alternative translation of the sura 113
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=38576&highlight=#38576
Chapter 113
In the name of God, Most Powerful and Most Merciful
1 Say ?I seek shelter with the Lord of the emergence (of Truth)
2 From the harm of created things,
3 From the harm of the obscuration (of knowledge) spreading
4 From the harm of those who disrupt binding contracts
5 And from the harm of the envious when they hold a grudge.As for why Yusaf Ali was into putting secret arts and dark prophecies in his translations, I have no clue because when looked at in other translations it is different, but sura 2102, now that's interesting.
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Salam sis SC
I've posted somethin' on 2102
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768&highlight=#52968Say ?I seek shelter with the Lord of the emergence (of Truth)
A sunni scholar once told me, there are other 'meanings' of Al-Falaq, it could also mean 'the period/border between the two', 'the period/border between changes' such as dark to light, night to day, day to night, light to dark and also the period/border between the future and the past or the shall and the was..
Interestingly a jewish rabbi told me one of the 'meanings' of YHVH is He Who Was, Who Is and Shall be or He that fully control/posses the past, the present and the future.
4 From the harm of those who disrupt binding contracts
My translation (literal)
1134
wa min syarii = and from evil / bad deeds / harm
an-naffashati = who breath / blows
feel ukhod = upon knots"The one who breath upon knots" <= here's the keyword... any suggestions on what it truly means?
For the meantime, I go with Yusuf Ali's exegis, the one who do witchcraft..Allah knows best
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Salaam,
I think we shall be very careful with witchcrafts and black magic because so much evil is in this things.
Why not trust the Almighty and let him guide and guard you from the evil ones.
Peace
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Peace bro Jafar,
Thanks for the link!
A sunni scholar once told me, there are other 'meanings' of Al-Falaq, it could also mean 'the period/border between the two', 'the period/border between changes' such as dark to light, night to day, day to night, light to dark and also the period/border between the future and the past or the shall and the was..
Interestingly a jewish rabbi told me one of the 'meanings' of YHVH is He Who Was, Who Is and Shall be or He that fully control/posses the past, the present and the future.
That's very interesting, I agree.
My translation (literal)
1134
wa min syarii = and from evil / bad deeds / harm
an-naffashati = who breath / blows
feel ukhod = upon knots"The one who breath upon knots" <= here's the keyword... any suggestions on what it truly means?
For the meantime, I go with Yusuf Ali's exegis, the one who do witchcraft..Knots in my extensive research on the occult (around 8 yrs back), are actually used in witchcraft as they call it...it's also something that has been around for a long time, in celtic cultures even our subcontinental culture...apparently something braided/knotted can be used as a focus or one could use something that belongs to the person...and the blowing is also involved in some instances...sooo, I really don't know, I found the alternative interesting as well...like blowing/disrupting knots/bonds. As long as 2102 is the way it is, it is bound to lend credence to the magic/sorcery...but it's out of my league at the moment
Best Regards,
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I think we shall be very careful with witchcrafts and black magic because so much evil is in this things.
Why not trust the Almighty and let him guide and guard you from the evil ones.
Salaam sis Majidah
One thing for certain, do not be affraid of them...dare them, scare them because they're also scared of human. And we human are not defenseless against them. Prophet Ibrahim threw stones at them and prophet Jesus Bdj. M.D (Bachelor of Djinnology and Master at Demonology) manages to kill some of them... proves that djinns and/or demons are not eternal beings or species.
Maybe someday in the future, we could create a myriad of devices and weapons to detects, kill or maybe caught them all to a point of 'near extinction' twisted (And even build the 'Djinnies Park' !) And those pesky "Green Peace" activists will surely make a fuss over it and start their own "Save The Djinns" campaign. lol
BTW is it "evil" to do "evil thing" to "evil"??