Nudity in the form of Art
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Salam Shams,
just out of curiousity why do you want to paint nude art? What is it that makes nudity so attractive to artists?
Me personally I don't want to see naked people either in real nor in paintings 'cause I feel ashamed. And I think we see too many naked or half naked bodys in the western world all around us.
I prefer dressed people .Salams
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Peace shamsul-arefin,
I don't find anything bad in nudity in the form of Art either, or in the beaches in summer.
I suppose the way we live from chilhood influences our impressions.
Art is studied without paying attention to what piece of art is with nude or dressed or landscapes or buildings. And you see nude bodies, even totally naked in beaches every year in the beaches in summer, thus, you find nothing strange, at least is those two circumstances, art and beaches. -
Salam Shams,
just out of curiousity why do you want to paint nude art? What is it that makes nudity so attractive to artists?
Me personally I don't want to see naked people either in real nor in paintings 'cause I feel ashamed. And I think we see too many naked or half naked bodys in the western world all around us.
I prefer dressed people ) .Salams
I cant speak for all artist..but I think its not about a naked body or a lustful thought. Its more about emotion, life, expression and how they menifest in our nature. Nudity an pornography is totally different thing.
Like it doesnt matter to God if you are naked or dressed up as long as you are connected to Its system spiritualy. But all these dress issues we have are for our own convinence. But obviously as human community took a complex form so this dress thing became an issue.
peace
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Salaam all,
Well I believe that a true believer in God shall be modest and low down their gaze.
But with this I don't say that you'll have to wrapped your body into a tent or something like that.
When I'm at a beach I'm not nude or half nude like the rest of the visitors.
Peace
Sis Majidah -
SaLaM Warda
As shamsul said, its not about a naked body or a lustful thought. Its more than that. For example
Zorn's painting called "Le Tub"
The colour intensity in that picture is just amazing. Its like white light giving off this array of beautiful colours which falls upon a young lady who is preparing to take a bath. THAT is Art. Not everyone can do it. But he has captured that moment in his painting.
Watts's Painting called Pursuing The Fata Morgana
This painting shows a man seemingly reaching out to grab Morgana who is flying away from him. But the way Watts has captured this is simply brilliant. Not too much space between them and yet not in his reach either. And the shades of colour used in this picture, well i dont even know the names of these colours.
Parish's painting called Lady_Violetta_and_the_Knave
In this picture Knave is looking over Lady Violetta. But the painter has painted this Lady to look out of this world. Almost angelic. Yet human. Again, the colours used to capture her look are amazing.
Raphael's painting called La_Fornarina
Here is a woman sitting half nude for her potrate. But look at the details. Every curve, her expression, the background and even the creases on her dress is perfect. Its nothing short of a real picture which is then turned to look like its been painted using Adobe.
Saladin, im sure if you google for these on the net, you might find these there. Dont think of it as pornography. ITs Art. A painter has gone through huge trouble to paint this potrayte. And it is not for his sexual pleasure. But a sign of his mastery of painting.
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I cant speak for all artist..but I think its not about a naked body or a lustful thought. Its more about emotion, life, expression and how they menifest in our nature. Nudity an pornography is totally different thing.
salam shamsul arefin .
those who draw "pornography" can also say the same thing that "its not about a naked body or a lustful thought. Its more about emotion, life, expression and how they menifest in our nature" .Like it doesnt matter to God if you are naked or dressed up as long as you are connected to Its system spiritualy. But all these dress issues we have are for our own convinence. But obviously as human community took a complex form so this dress thing became an issue.
well , it does matter to God if u r naked or not . thats why God commanded to cover our bodies . thats His system .
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Salams all,
I don't want to mix art and pornography either. I definitely see the difference between it.
Jaxal, I don't know these pictures you're writing about, but I guess if I would see them I'd think to myself Nice, but why is he/she naked? What's wrong with it if he /she would wear something, so that I don't feel so oops ...?
Don't know, I just don't get the point. If he is covered with a tiny cloth around his hips - isn't it art also to paint this piece how it is wrinkled up?
I don't want to be ignorant and maybe you can help me more to understand it.
Salam
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SaLaM Warda
I don't want to be ignorant
Plz dont think like that. Think of it as something you dont quite understand. Like i am with maths lolllllllll. Ok i ill try to make you understand. Say for example, you are a doctor. And a patient comes to you with a problem in his/her private parts. Will you cover it up before you diagnose him/her? Ofcourse not. ITs your job. You are a doctor. Of human body. You dont care about the sexual nature of diagnosing ur patient's private parts. ITs ur job.
The same is with Artist and his/her Art. An artist wants to draw something and he/she draws it. He/she dont care if there are sexual parts all over the place becoz its ART. Learnado drew a human shoulder with all the nerves and muscle. It was one the first painting of the inner human body. He did it becoz he was curious about the human body. I have the painting and you can see all the muscle, nevers and bones. Its amazing to see how this man, in those times, drew something with such accruacy. There is a painting by JW Watherhouse. Its called "Apollo and Daphene". And you can see Apollo running after Daphne in a playful manner with a harp in his hand. Behind them you see river and the mountain covered by a tree. And you cant help notice the detail. Daphne also has her breast partially exposed but that is nothing compared to the complete beauty of the whole painting.
My email is [email protected] . Send me an email if you want to see the painting i was talking about. Im sure you will also realise the deapth of the painting instead of focusin on the sexual parts.
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SaLaM Saladin
Then thats the difference between a pornographic drawing and Nude Art. Pornographic Graphic drawings are intentionally pornographic. Nude Art is just Art. Like any other painting. I hope you understand.
salam Jaxal .
i respect your views . i also had a tough time deciding whether its ok to draw and see such art or not .my view is that both 'types' of art are intentional , both contain nudity . and to me , nudity is very bad . its like movie artists would say about acting nude "its only art" .
btw , what kinda art do you and shamsularfeen like ? i like comic book art .
salam.
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In my opinion...nudity is not bad....Its the person who takes it as a stimulus for his/her lust is bad. Nature is God's art..and what do you see in it ? Its a combination of all...nudity(nature) and we humans(some nude and some covered). Rather than linking nudity with sex, try to see it as a part of life and something very normal which we all are in natural form.
I think the problem is not with nudity but the person who interprets it. Do you think most ppl gets aroused in the art gallery seeing a nude art ? I dont think so. Only a pervert mind would do so and no matter what a pervert mind will always find a reason to stimulate him/herself.
So which is best for us ? To open our mind or get more conservative ?
peace
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Peace,
'The best garment is the garment of righteousness', What does that mean to everyone? I understand the points of both sides but its not a simple issue.
Nural
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Dear beloved sisters and brothers,
The topic of nudity has always been disputed. Even the stories about adam and eve links nudity to shame. Some have interpreted this to mean that nudity is something to be ashamed about. May be, maybe not.
I my self had a very restricted relation to nudity. I somehow still have, but i have some better understanding for it. It is not the nudity that is the problem, it is, as brother shamsul-arefin put it, the perverted mind which is guilty.
In 3332 we se that those with a disease in their hearts, perversion, will even get the wrong idea from talking friendly. Surely one cannot forbid talking just because some harbour diseases. Though one has to take precaution, if one is near such perverted minds, its better to be careful.
In the same way, it's wrong to believe that nudity is bad, simply because it is the bad people who are "after it". However one should also use nudity in a wise way, as to protect oneself from these sickminds.
Let's suppose your nudity is like diamond. Nobody would give their diamonds in to the hands of thiefs knowingly, but that doesn't mean the diamonds are bad or evil. In the same way nudity is not evil by itself simply because it is safer to keep it hidden. One never knows who's perverted.
We also see in quran that women may relax their covering when one is with family. Why? If nudity is bad by itself, how come it suddenly becomes good or acceptable in the company of family?
It doesn't, nudity stays the same always. It is the enviroment that changes. Hence one can claim, that it is the enviroment one has to focus and fix, not nudity.
For the record, i don't like porn. I believe it is insulting to the beauty of women and all of their unique characteristics. Porn says that womens body is only for men to enjoy, i disagree with porn. Womens body was created as a whole, one cannot divide it by saying "This man can enjoy, and this man cannot". At all times, both womens and mens body should be respected and honored as a whole; in its completeness. For some, art is such a honoring, for some it isn't.
I hope i was helpful.
Nadeem.
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SaLaM nadeem
We also see in quran that women may relax their covering when one is with family. Why? If nudity is bad by itself, how come it suddenly becomes good or acceptable in the company of family?
An example would be wearing shorts. My wife can wear shorts in my house in front me. There is no sin in that. Same goes for me. But wll i allow my wife wearing shorts out in the public? No. Same goes for sleeveless shirts. Its ok in the my house. But not outside.
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Beloved Brother Jaxal,
Exactly. The enviroment in your house is much more fitted for such a dresscode, both for your wife and you. Outside, things can be dangerous.
Surely you dont believe that it is the shorts who are bad. It is rather the enviroment you want to protect her from.
Another example, if one is nude in cold weather you will get sick. However if you put on cloths in this weather, you will avoid cold much better.
But if you are nude in warm not too hot weather, you will do just fine.
Once again, it is the enviroment. Nudity is from God, nudity was even allowed in such a respected place as heaven.
However, our conditions and enviroments depends upon ourselves. We have to change.
Nadeem.