MANIFESTO for Islamic Reform
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SaLaM Noah
You know brother, i think, i am in agreement with you here. I havent thought it out fully, but the idea of not having a leader and everyone having a say seems pretty good to me. But then again, someone will have to make the final decision if there are more than one opinion on any matter.
wa alaikum salam wr wb
or simply split up in the groups that can be formed and let them go their seperate ways. It is, always has been, and always will be a lie that we have to unite in 200 million citizens blocks of people. If you can get those devided into groups of 50.000 -100-000 that are pleased with their own choices in each group, thats fine.
It would mean a completely different way than now. Many of the luxurys that we know now will not (and should not) be avaible. But i will trade them in any day for peace, love and equality in the human family. not equality just for "the people" because "thepeople" hints that there are "the leaders" aswell, and we all know that "the leaders" have different rights than the people.
A good example is in most democracys. Politicians are protected by diplomatic uminity. So for a minister to be prosecuted for err, or outright lying and staling, that immunity has to be lifted by vote in the parliament. Something that only happens when the lynchmob start to form in the streets and if the error was so grave it cant be overlooked. Thats real fair
Are we to learn from this that leaders are especially moral people? it sure as hell doesnt seem like it!If the people who makes the laws are not obligated to actually follow them, we simply cannot trust them.
"If the only people who understand the law are lawyers, shouldnt the law only apply to them?"
The 10 commandments are enough law for me. And the basic of my morals can be found in Quran 6151-152. that will do, and if you need more law in your life than that. Thats fine by me, please, by all means use your God given freedom to whatever suits you. Just leave me out of it.
Or to put it really really simple...
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SaLaM Noah
So, you are giving the middle road the middle finger? Lolllllllllllll Its funny, i give the middle finger to the authorities Hahahaahha
hehe no actually its the whole quagmire of a crackpot system, with all its flawed, ridiculous, unfair, unqual, lame, primitive, ill iformed political and relegious philosphies. Goes for ALL current known systems. I have had enough, so i will let guy here speak for me...
To the system, or any system that in the sligtest resembles it
and the horse you rode in on
hehe
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Dictatorship IS A KILLER.
Millions died in the Russian Gulags.
Thousands killed and tortured by Saddam.like the elected leaders like Bush never killed anyone , huh ?!
Why don't you make a constructive criticism of Prophet Muhammad. I am sure you will enjoy being hung by your short and curlies in your beloved Pakistan -) then perhaps you understand the meaning of democracy and principles of personal liberty!
Regards,
Bush and Blair Evil? Saudis flying plane load of innocent people into buildings is pure evil! Blowing up crowded commuter trains full of innocent people is pure evil. Saddam gasing the Kurds is pure evil.
so the elected leaders like bush and blair never killed anyone . havent they killed more ppl than saddam and bin laden ?
a dictator/monarch can be good or evil just like an elected leader .
peace.
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LoteTree
I have nothing to say. You sounds just the Republicans who constantly repeat these opinion on CNN, FOX for their propaganda purposes.You have nothing to say because you have no argument apart from democracy is crap!
And I don't read CNN or FOX.
So you have your opinion I have mine. I don't like this corrupt democratic system which is infact not the power to the people its the implementation of Corporate Laws.
I don't like Dictators. FULLSTOP. Dictators kills its own citizens at his own WHIM!
Democracy is governments by the people for the people and it is a noble idea. democracy is not perfect and is flawed but we need to work to make democracy better so that it serves humanity better.
Regards,
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LoteTree
I believe you live in UK and must be watching BBC but when you said you don't watch BBC than I guessed you might be watching CNN or Fox. Now you say that you don't watch BBC CNN or Fox than I have no idea from where you are getting this misinformation from.
Democracy is not the govement by the people for the people this is only the "Sologan". The democracy is the rule of the rich, democracy is the to implement the rules and regulations which benefits big "Corporations". These big corporations invest hundreds of millions dollars in each ellection to make sure they will get the billed passed which will make them more rich, these corporations work with Congress and Senate with their interest groups to make sure that their interests are well guarded.
Keep living under the sologan "Government by the People for the People" and be happy that you have the control on your elected leaders. I am intelligent enough not to fall for the deceptions.
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Salaam Jaxal
This is the true face of American democracy which they wanted to implement in Arab world which will bring more money to their Corporations and Elites. Poor will be poor but happy because they believe they have the power to elect their leaders. They will be happy paying the higher tax rates that these Corporations without really knowing it and still be happy that they are Americans superior nation. They will be paying the very high medical insurance still be happy without knowing that all these higher insurance premiums they are paying could be reduced if their beloved leader man of God Bush has done something to bring it down.
Democracy sucks.
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Bush and Blair Evil? Saudis flying plane load of innocent people into buildings is pure evil! Blowing up crowded commuter trains full of innocent people is pure evil. Saddam gasing the Kurds is pure evil.
so the elected leaders like bush and blair never killed anyone . havent they killed more ppl than saddam and bin laden ?
More people than Saddam? Are we into numbers game here? War in Iraq is very tragic. No one can justify the deaths of the innocents.
Saddam destroyed the Marsh Arabs chap. He gassed his OWN people. He caused the deaths of millions of people in the Iraq-Iran war. And thousands died in the Kuwait Invasion. Numbers game? Blair and Bush win hands down!!! Iraq war is not about numbers game. Bush and Blair did what no Arab country will ever be able to do and that is to remove a vile dictator!
a dictator/monarch can be good or evil just like an elected leader .
Let me say this slowly ELECTED LEADERS CAN BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY PEACEFUL MEANS. DICTATORS AND KINGS CAN'T BE REMOVED. DICTATORS GO ON KILLING AND MAIMING UNTIL THEY ARE EITHER DIE OF KILLING OTHERS OR THEY ARE ASSASINATED.
Regards,
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peace LoteTree.
Bush and Blair Evil? Saudis flying plane load of innocent people into buildings is pure evil! Blowing up crowded commuter trains full of innocent people is pure evil. Saddam gasing the Kurds is pure evil.
so the elected leaders like bush and blair never killed anyone . havent they killed more ppl than saddam and bin laden ?
More people than Saddam? Are we into numbers game here? War in Iraq is very tragic. No one can justify the deaths of the innocents.
Saddam destroyed the Marsh Arabs chap. He gassed his OWN people. He caused the deaths of millions of people in the Iraq-Iran war. And thousands died in the Kuwait Invasion.
what matters is Bush KILLED , BUTCHERED , just like saddam did . whether his "OWN" people or not .
Numbers game? Blair and Bush win hands down!!! Iraq war is not about numbers game. Bush and Blair did what no Arab country will ever be able to do and that is to remove a vile dictator!
and killed thousands of innocents in the process of removing the "vile" dictator . please tell us , should that bastard in the oval office be removed in the same way ?
(and why dont Bush and Blair remove that vile fat pig , Ariel Sharon?)a dictator/monarch can be good or evil just like an elected leader .
Let me say this slowly ELECTED LEADERS CAN BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY PEACEFUL MEANS. DICTATORS AND KINGS CAN'T BE REMOVED.
slowly , THEN WHY HAS THAT DEVIL NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ?
BY PEACEFUL MEANS ? HE IS THE ONE WHO IS LIVING IN PEACE WHILE INNOCENTS IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS ARE BEING KILLED BECAUSE OF HIS LIES .DICTATORS GO ON KILLING AND MAIMING UNTIL THEY ARE EITHER DIE OF KILLING OTHERS OR THEY ARE ASSASINATED.
ELECTED LEADERS GO ON KILLING AND MAIMING UNTIL THEY EITHER DIE OR THEIR TERM ENDS .
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Salaam Saladin,
I agree with you!
Yeah remove Bush from the white house, a very good idea.
But I doubt there will come a better leader, they are all the same (
Peace
Sis Majidah