Migration - The 'KEY' To A GOD Alone Society???
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SaLaM LT
Ok, dont get all hysterical. Tell me 10 bad things or effects which will be caused by doing this.
I might miss your posts for one. Since you will not have access to internet on that Island -)
Regards,
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Salaamun alaikum Damon,
The reason that I have avoided this discussion is because I have already been down this road. You and I simply differ as to who or what a messenger is, as well as the role that this person plays. There's nothing you or I can do about that. You see it the way you do and I see it the way I do and I no longer have the energy it takes to get into those kinds of discussions
I have no problem with that. On the contrary, I salute you for this initiative and wish you all the best.
The reason I brought it up is because, once you are without a messenger, problems will rise about administration. How will handle those problems, theoretically speaking?
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Peace All,
Damon, while I once fantasized about the creation of a society similar to what you've expressed, I no longer feel it is necessary for a few reasons, none of which entails a pessimism.
As has been stated, I feel peace must be attained and well-established from within prior to any external venturing. But more importantly, I think one of the misconceptions and, really, crippling mindsets, that I found myself stuck in was a need or hope for an extrinsic peace somewhere in the future.
Peace is "Now". It does not require any extrinsic energy. It is within, at this moment. I've always enjoyed the example of a palm tree in the middle of a hurricane. It bends with the force of the wind. It remains flexible and adapts, but neven loses it's purpose, and that is to nourish the atmosphere and the wildlife arround it. Imagine if palm trees decided they no longer liked the chaos of hurricane alley and unplugged their roots and marched up north to join the "peaceful" pine trees. All the animals that depend on palm trees for shelter and food would be stranded.
Our job is to gain inner peace, and promote that peace right where we are. We need to contribute whenever we can, wherever we are. On the other hand, if you feel it is simply unsafe, then it is your reponsibility to your family and your self to get out of harm's way.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace Tay,
Our job is to gain inner peace, and promote that peace right where we are. We need to contribute whenever we can, wherever we are. On the other hand, if you feel it is simply unsafe, then it is your reponsibility to your family and your self to get out of harm's way.
You know something Tay....you're right. In all actuality, I knew what you said in the quote above is correct all along. I basically wanted to see people's reactions here to such a view. The reactions serve as an indicator as to where certain individuals heads are at and in what stage we are in in this movement that they call "GOD Alone".
Thanx everyone for your thoughts and input.
Salaamun 'Alaiykum,
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Salaam damon,
sure , you're right when you say that gangs are not as bad as in the us, but then again i guess these gangs are not everywhere in the us and may be you could live in a smaller town where things are not that bad.
Now, to gay marriages and that stuff. I believe that the fact that these things exist denote more the freedom left to the people - which i think is a good thing - than the actual state of society. I think gay people will be gay, if they live openly or in the hidden. I won't judge them even though i do think it's not "natural", and i would not mind living in a society where this is accepted - but ok that's me! But true, i'd go nuts about an all gay highschool - just because it's still kids ands no adults making their private choice. This is really crazy - where is it ?
KKK and aryen nation we have our good old integrists - specially salafist - going around with knife to punish girls showing too much skin and also trying to bomb places. Thanks to the power of the police here, 'til now they only managed once (16 of may was it 2002?). There's not much talking about this here, cause in general people don't know these things, but true, press is becoming freer now.
Ok, but enough of this now. I understood from the rest of your posts that our positions are nearer than what i first thought, so no need for further discussion.
Peace, Elke
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Salaamun alaikum,
Tay Our job is to gain inner peace, and promote that peace right where we are. We need to contribute whenever we can, wherever we are. On the other hand, if you feel it is simply unsafe, then it is your reponsibility to your family and your self to get out of harm's way.
You're very right Tay, but do remember, the signs of Allah include the centralisation of the messenger and believers and we should experience these in our lives.
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Salaam MQ,
Yeah the vote is no method to choose a leader/messenger
A messenger is a messenger and all will realize that.
Peace
Sis Majidah -
Peace Damon, MQuran
Damon, you stated
I knew what you said in the quote above is correct all along. I basically wanted to see people's reactions here to such a view.
Nice job! You had me fooled.
M, you stated
do remember, the signs of Allah include the centralisation of the messenger and believers and we should experience these in our lives.
Perhaps the unity comes in purpose, and not necessarily geographical locale??
Peace,
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Salam Br Jaxal,
But Brother don't you think it is a must to have a messenger in God to lead a people in a community like the one we want and longing for to create!?
A leader makes me think of anyone who wants to stand in the frontline.
Peace
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Salaamun alaikum,
But Brother don't you think it is a must to have a messenger in God to lead a people in a community like the one we want and longing for to create!?
That's exactly right, Majidah. I don't see the problem in expecting a messenger lead the movement. Look at this verse
And how would ye deny Faith while unto you are rehearsed the Signs of Allah, and AMONG YOU IS THE MESSENGER? Whoever holds firmly to Allah will be shown a way that is straight (3/101)
So can we become kafirs now just because Muhammad ibn Abdullah is dead? )
A rasul is one who is the messenger in person form.
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Salaam Br MQ,
Yes that verse says it all.
Quran is an ongoing Scripture so the messenger can be any messenger it depends which centuary we live in.
I truly believe that there is or going to step forward a messenger who will guide us.
And only we who have this right beliefs are able to witness him.
Nothing for the literally deaf and blind.
Peace
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SaLaM Joe
How many kinds of messengers are we talking about that we are suddenly confused on the defination of the word? When i speak of a messenger i mean the messenger of God like Prophet Muhammad or Jesus or Moses. Im not calling some tom dick and harry a messenger.
