How Authentic is the Quran?
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Those who know William Muir will recognise the validity of this article.
If we don't accept Bukhari, why should we accept Muir. This is not the right way to attain certainty about al-quraan. Al-quraan is a complete system in itself. It tells you how to attain certainty, besides telling you your purpose in life, how to get there and what 'there' is. You don't need Muir, Watt, Sale, Arberry, Rodwell or any other human being. Its between you and Allah.
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This is an external (i.e. a source which seeks to gain nothing from the publishing of said informmation) account of how the text of the Qur'an was preserved by the Arabs circa 600 A.D. This has nothing to do with "you and Allah", this is not a "proof" of Qur'an - but rather a detail on the meticulous way in which the Qur'an was preserved.
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This is an external (i.e. a source which seeks to gain nothing from the publishing of said informmation) account of how the text of the Qur'an was preserved by the Arabs circa 600 A.D.
I don't know your background. If you're a sunni who accepts bukhari, tabari, ibn hisham, ibn ishaq and thier cohorts of information terrorists, then sorry. You're right. You need these kind of people to validate you and also a guy who believed Muhammad wrote the Quran (quran calls these people 'disbelievers' btw).
This has nothing to do with "you and Allah", this is not a "proof" of Qur'an - but rather a detail on the meticulous way in which the Qur'an was preserved.
I would actually read my posts before commenting blindly. I said above Al-quraan is a complete system in itself. It tells you how to attain certainty, besides telling you your purpose in life. So 'between me and Allah' doesn't mean , hey its my dogma, dont challenge it. What it means is, Allah will show us the signs on the horizon and in our souls (41/53). We don't need some orientalist who rejected the Quran's divine origin.
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SaLaM KGB
I believe that too.
And i believe the sky is red. Unfortunately, just becoz someone believes so, it dont make it true. I will advice you to do the same as mquran. There is an excellent thread on the forum addressing this issue. Look it up and let Allah guide you to the truth.
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mquran, this is what the original poster stated
Is it free from corruption? How can we be sure that it was exactly the same Quran revealed to Muhammad? Do we have any reliable history on how the Quran came about aside from the sunni tradtions?
I am avoiding blind faith.
I need your comments. Thanks all.
Peace.
Tony
From this, it's pretty clear to me that he wants a discourse pertaining to the preservation and transfer of the Qur'an as a body of text. He also said that he's avoiding 'faith', hence I posted an article by someone who is NOT a Muslim to articulate how the Qur'an was perserved and transfered.
I don't know your background. If you're a sunni who accepts bukhari, tabari, ibn hisham, ibn ishaq and thier cohorts of information terrorists, then sorry. You're right. You need these kind of people to validate you and also a guy who believed Muhammad wrote the Quran (quran calls these people 'disbelievers' btw).
My background is in here is about as relevant as your favourite colour.
I would actually read my posts before commenting blindly. I said above Al-quraan is a complete system in itself. It tells you how to attain certainty, besides telling you your purpose in life. So 'between me and Allah' doesn't mean , hey its my dogma, dont challenge it. What it means is, Allah will show us the signs on the horizon and in our souls (41/53). We don't need some orientalist who rejected the Quran's divine origin.
For starters, it would be wise for you to take your own advice. The original poster asked for a secular proof of the authenticity of the Qur'anic text i.e. a historical proof of the fact that it has indeed not been changed from the revelation which Mohammad had received. This has nothing to do with the actual subject matter/implications of the content itself - but solely the preservation of the text. I think you're missing the point, firstly my post and then secondly the original post.
Basically what the OP was saying is why would someone who doesn't believe in Allah believe that the text of the Qur'an is unchanged? Well, the article I posted answers that question succinctly.
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Why the hell these guys living in UK stick like viruses? Why the hell they think that they are the only ones with knowledge and wisdom? I fond them very arrogant and irritating.
Yes, who are those upstarts that they think they know it all and live in the UK!!! -) -)
Regards,
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SaLaM LT
LT you traitor! wink
You missed my smileys!!!!
But I got you -)People who know it all are a nuisance to people who do really know!!!
-) -)Regards,
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From this, it's pretty clear to me that he wants a discourse pertaining to the preservation and transfer of the Qur'an as a body of text. He also said that he's avoiding 'faith', hence I posted an article by someone who is NOT a Muslim to articulate how the Qur'an was perserved and transfered.
This being a free forum and not a High School Islamic Studies exam, I'm actually thinking outside the suggested box. Is that ok with you or should I check with Adolf first?
My background is in here is about as relevant as your favourite colour.
Oh its very relevant. If you're a sunni, you'd find these fairy tales to be credible. However, if you're Quranic, you'd follow its own internal system of proof. So no, your favourite colour comparsion doesn't fit.
For starters, it would be wise for you to take your own advice. The original poster asked for a secular proof of the authenticity of the Qur'anic text i.e. a historical proof of the fact that it has indeed not been changed from the revelation which Mohammad had received. This has nothing to do with the actual subject matter/implications of the content itself - but solely the preservation of the text. I think you're missing the point, firstly my post and then secondly the original post.
Once again, I'm addressing the article YOU POSTED. Im asking you, how do YOU KNOW Muir is a neutral, objective observer? Have you met the guy?
Basically what the OP was saying is why would someone who doesn't believe in Allah believe that the text of the Qur'an is unchanged? Well, the article I posted answers that question succinctly.
They wouldn't. Because if they followed THIER OWN epistemology, i.e. historical texts are valid, from the texts itself we can see that the Quran is in fact a modifed text. However, thank God that Allah foresaw this and stated in his text what's what. Shame people prefer to believe in history and not in the Quran for giving evidence.
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Looooooooooooool DAMN! brother how can u even say that???? HOW???? looooooooooool DAMN!! There is a very nice thread on this forum which highlights JUST that. Search and God will guide you mquran loll
Jaxal, grow up. If you cannot speak for yourself, as I told you, Sunnism is best for you. If you believe the Quranic text has been changed, BRING YOUR EVIDENCE. People who read this forum tend to need more evidence than 'lol damn'. This is evidence for, im sorry to say this, idiots. If you want to believe without ever substantiating your beliefs, thats fine. I will ignore your posts henceforth.
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SaLaM mquran
I will ignore your posts henceforth.
What part of There is a very nice thread on this forum which highlights JUST that. Search and God will guide you mquran exactly did you miss? You want to ignore my posts? Do and see if i care http//www.geocities.com/bigjaxal/s1.gif
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Salaamun alaikum,
What part of There is a very nice thread on this forum which highlights JUST that. Search and God will guide you mquran exactly did you miss?
You asked me my beliefs and I stated so openly. I asked for your beliefs and you point me to a whole thread. That's how open you are.
You want to ignore my posts? Do and see if i care
See if I care? Did you do well in your 11-pluses ?