Al-Dhikr and the detailing of al-kitaab
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Salaam Apple Pie,
You did not answer the question.
My question was in queue first...
Also having similar material as the Bible does not equate the Bible with alkitaab.
Actually, it does.
This is per the classic definitions...
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Salaam,
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
Can you detail how you arrived to such a conclusion?
Joe
Simple.
By studying the classic Arabic....something that 99.9% of Modern Muslims never do...
You can see this first hand with our sura 81 post.
It will be demonstrated that all 29 ayahs from sura 81 come from the Book of Revelation.
There can be no doubt regarding this.
You can see that no one can even begin to challenge the obvious...
Furthermore, if you actually did study the classic Arabic, then you would have converted to Christianity long ago... wink
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at-tauraat and al-injeel have specific things such as the promise of Allah in 9/111 and the consequence of those who follow the messenger 48/29. Nowhere does torah and gospel have this. Nothing close in fact
That's not suprising !!!.. Why would the Bible contain Muhammads self Serving verses
As has been pointed out, over 90% of the Material in Muhammads Little Book was taken from the Bible, Muhammad also added MANY self serving verses like the ones in 9/111 and 48/29. The fact that Muhammad made a CLAIM to FAME doesn't make it an actual fact. Just means Muhammad was on an Ego trip.. So its no surprising that such verses CAN'T be found in the TRUE Scripture in the Bible...
Actually the ORIGINAL unmodified version of 9111 can be found in the Bible. The reason you couldn't find it is because you was looking for Muhammad's twisted version... ( Kill and BE Killed etc etc).. Sorry but you will only be able to find the TRUE ORIGINAL version without Muhammads self serving parts added...
GOD has bought from the believers their lives and their money in exchange for Paradise. Thus, they fight in the cause of GOD, willing to kill and get killed. Such is His truthful pledge in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran - and who fulfills His pledge better than GOD? You shall rejoice in making such an exchange. This is the greatest triumph.
The underlined bit, Muhammad took from Corinthians 619-20
Haven't you yet learned that your body is the home of the Holy Spirit God gave you, and that it lives within you? Your own body does not belong to you. For God has bought you with a great price. So use every part of your body to give glory back to God because he owns it.
After using Corithians as his source Material for 9111, Muhammad twisted it and added the self serving part "Kill and BE KILLED" in the cause of Allah (Nice touch !!!)
Corinthians says God bought use with a great price (same in Muhammads version in 9111).
Corithians says, use your body to GIVE GLORY BACK TO GOD, Muhammad changed this to read us your body to KILL and BE KILLED (What is the Glory in that)You will find more examples of where Muhammad got his source Material from in Apple Pies Thread 81
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Muhammad also added MANY Pre-Islam fables and fairytales to his LITTLE Book. Like the pre-Islamic stories about the jinn. These Arab Myths were well known fairytales that existed pre-Islam, but to gain extra followers Muhammad added those FABLES and MYTHS to appeal to a wider audience in the hope of getting more converts
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Peace,
Apple pieFurthermore, if you actually did study the classic Arabic, then you would have converted to Christianity long ago...
Who ever want to revert to christianity shock
The Al-Quran came as an final message to mankind and why are you jews and christians so worried about that.
God is God there is only ONE God and Quran don't forgot about biblical messengers.
People who turn their backs on God and his messenger isn't sane.
Peace
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Apple PieThanks for not denying our assertion....
Oh sorry, I didn't realise that this was a legal proceeding. Here it is for the record
I CATEGORICALLY DENY THAT THE PORNOGRAPHIC, RACIST BOOK YOU CALL 'THE BIBLE' IS THE SOURCE MATERIAL FOR AL-QURAAN.
Now, why don't you, armed with 'gods word' (sic), answer the question?
That's not suprising !!!.. Why would the Bible contain Muhammads self Serving verses
Albion As has been pointed out, over 90% of the Material in Muhammads Little Book was taken from the Bible, Muhammad also added MANY self serving verses like the ones in 9/111 and 48/29. The fact that Muhammad made a CLAIM to FAME doesn't make it an actual fact. Just means Muhammad was on an Ego trip.. So its no surprising that such verses CAN'T be found in the TRUE Scripture in the Bible...
I just asked your brethren to answer ONE question and he can't. Are you guys really so pathetic that you can't rescind your assertions?
Albion, you have been refuted again and again and you still keep coming back? How much is the KKK paying you? It must be one heck of a sweet deal for you to give up your self-respect and keep coming back.
Anyway, its good to see this time that you couldn't show tauraah and injeel are 'torah' and 'gospel'. I couldn't care less what you idiots think of the Quran, really. Its not meant to please people who find sons having sex with fathers then turning black (psychologists have said that this is the basis of white racism and slavery..LOL) as 'god's book'.
JoeYou are trying to push things around here. Again, answer the question. You who are pluralistic.
Joe, I have to tell you. You cannot expect 'people' like Applepie and Albion to play fair. They will never do that because deep down, they know that thier book is crap. I suggest you use your moderating powers and regulate these discussions. If you don't, then what's going to happen is, we're going to end up repeating ourselves endlessly. Albion is so vulgar that he doesn't mind quoting ONE verse and noting that he quoted two. Why did he get away with this? If you guys, Layth included don't do anything about this, we will find this will go on and on and free-minds will never move forward. But thats my opinion on the matter. This is Layth's mulk which he entrusted upon you. I won't complain if you disagree as i'm clearly here of my own accord.
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You can see this first hand with our sura 81 post.
I've noticed that sura 82 also appears to be taken from Revelations, so hope you continue into that sura on your 81 thread
Also when I replied to mrq about sura 9111 coming from Corinthians 619-20, I did a quick check and found that many other verses in sura 9 have there original source in Corinthians.. So maybe you can have a look at sura 9 vs Corinthians when you're finished revealing the true source of Sura 81
here's a few others Sura 9 vs Corinthians
Do they not realize that GOD knows their secrets, and their conspiracies, and that GOD is the Knower of all secrets?
From 1 Co 1425
1Co 1425 the secrets of his heart are made manifest; and so he will fall down on his face and worship God, declaring that God is among you indeed.
O you who believe, the idol worshipers are polluted
From 1 Co 87
1Co 87 Howbeit there is not in all men that knowledge but some, being used until now to the idol, eat as of a thing sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled
They want to put out GOD's light with their mouths, but GOD insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers.
Again from Corinthians
1Co 45 Wherefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness
The day will come when their gold and silver will be heated in the fire of Hell, then used to burn their foreheads, their sides, and their backs "This is what you hoarded for yourselves, so taste what you have hoarded."
Again from Corithians 312-13
1Co 312 But if any man buildeth on the foundation gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 313 each man's work shall be made manifest for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself shall prove each man's work of what sort it is.
Some of them even pledged "If GOD showered us with His grace, we would be charitable, and would lead a righteous life."
From Corinthians 1510
1Co 1510 But by the grace of God I am what I am and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not found vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
It seems that just about every Sura can be traced to a whole Book in the Bible. So for every Book in the Bible Muhammad devoted one (sometimes 2) chapters.
As you've pointed out Sura 81-82 came from the Book of Revelations, and it looks like Sura 9 came from Corinthians..
Interesting how Muhammad gained his Material to put together his Book after twisting most of it !!!
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Peace,
Apple pieFurthermore, if you actually did study the classic Arabic, then you would have converted to Christianity long ago...
Who ever want to revert to christianity shock
The ones who have taken the time to actually study their book of faith....apparently not you...
The Al-Quran came as an final message to mankind and why are you jews and christians so worried about that.
The Koran is no more than an Arabic "collection" of the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures.
No worries...
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Interesting how Muhammad gained his Material to put together his Book after twisting most of it !!!
LOL you are really insane!!!!!!!!!!!
If you were smart enough you should see that God didn't sent only one scripture.
Lol your bible is so oldfashioned so you'll have to dust it off everytime you will read it even if it is many times a day you will read in it lol
Sis Majidah
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You can see this first hand with our sura 81 post.
I've noticed that sura 82 also appears to be taken from Revelations, so hope you continue into that sura on your 81 thread
Indeed it does, Albion...good observation...
I will start a new thread entitled 82...
Also when I replied to mrq about sura 9111 coming from Corinthians 619-20, I did a quick check and found that many other verses in sura 9 have there original source in Corinthians.. So maybe you can have a look at sura 9 vs Corinthians when you're finished revealing the true source of Sura 81
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
I had not made this connection...
here's a few others Sura 9 vs Corinthians
Do they not realize that GOD knows their secrets, and their conspiracies, and that GOD is the Knower of all secrets?
From 1 Co 1425
1Co 1425 the secrets of his heart are made manifest; and so he will fall down on his face and worship God, declaring that God is among you indeed.
O you who believe, the idol worshipers are polluted
From 1 Co 87
1Co 87 Howbeit there is not in all men that knowledge but some, being used until now to the idol, eat as of a thing sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled
They want to put out GOD's light with their mouths, but GOD insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers.
Again from Corinthians
1Co 45 Wherefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness
The day will come when their gold and silver will be heated in the fire of Hell, then used to burn their foreheads, their sides, and their backs "This is what you hoarded for yourselves, so taste what you have hoarded."
Again from Corithians 312-13
1Co 312 But if any man buildeth on the foundation gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 313 each man's work shall be made manifest for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself shall prove each man's work of what sort it is.
Some of them even pledged "If GOD showered us with His grace, we would be charitable, and would lead a righteous life."
From Corinthians 1510
1Co 1510 But by the grace of God I am what I am and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not found vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Great work!
I will check into your findings with the original languages and see just how far this rabbit hole goes...
It seems that just about every Sura can be traced to a whole Book in the Bible. So for every Book in the Bible Muhammad devoted one (sometimes 2) chapters.
Very astute observation...
As you've pointed out Sura 81-82 came from the Book of Revelations, and it looks like Sura 9 came from Corinthians..
Exactly...
Interesting how Muhammad gained his Material to put together his Book after twisting most of it !!!
Our job is to "untwist" it for Islam...
Take care...
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Here's something very amusing
ApplePieThe Koran is no more than an Arabic "collection" of the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures.
Is this why you cannot tell us why the CENTRAL concept in al-quraan is irreproducible by your racist, pornographic text D ?
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Here's something very amusing
ApplePieThe Koran is no more than an Arabic "collection" of the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures.
Is this why you cannot tell us why the CENTRAL concept in al-quraan is irreproducible by your racist, pornographic text D ?
Describe this "central concept"....
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Yeah, its really funny, isnt it Joe? This guy asserts that 99% is from the Bible, yet he doesn't know the central concept in al-quraan. Laughable, seriously laughable.
Hence, you cannot define your understanding of "central concept"...as you seem to be unsure of what it is...
If you need help...just ask... wink
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Salaam,
No, I'm simply asking you. You need not speculate as to whether I know of it or not. If you know what this concept is you do not need to be asking about it. Rather you should be anwering MQ's question. However, if YOU do not know, then I now know what you do not know. )
Joe
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Salaam,
No, I'm simply asking you. You need not speculate as to whether I know of it or not. If you know what this concept is you do not need to be asking about it. Rather you should be anwering MQ's question. However, if YOU do not know, then I now know what you do not know. )
Joe
Thanks for your concern Joe...
However, the questions are not directed to you in the first place... wink
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Salaam,
My concerns were still the same as MQ's. So your statement does apply to me. Now if you care to oblidge then do so. If not then I understand why.
Joe
Ok...then what do you feel is the "central concept" of your book of faith....?