Al-Dhikr and the detailing of al-kitaab
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Salaam,
No my comment was given you before. It's just that you keep repeating yourself when you were already answered. So an effect is that I will keep repeating myself until you answer. It's not a suprise to me the way you are going about this thread.
Joe
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Salaam,
No my comment was given you before. It's just that you keep repeating yourself when you were already answered. So an effect is that I will keep repeating myself until you answer. It's not a suprise to me the way you are going about this thread.
Joe
Please tell us how it is that so much Biblical material ended up in your book of faith...?
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Peace all,
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
There is no mystery here...
Interesting how Muhammad gained his Material to put together his Book after twisting most of it!!!
Our job is to "untwist" it for Islam..
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The authors of the Koran are clear?.they can only copy the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures.
Fact is, the Koran fails in its attempt to copy the Holy Bible,
Official conditions of magnified delusion. Quite frightening.
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Salaam Danish,
I think it is obvious that the crux of Albion and Apple Pie's efforts here is to convert us to Christianity. In order to do that they must make an attempt to show us that the quran is nothing more than a copy of the Bible, albiet a copy where some of the stories are mixed up and some of the ideas are twisted from the Bible's original intent.
Joe
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Peace all,
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
There is no mystery here...
Interesting how Muhammad gained his Material to put together his Book after twisting most of it!!!
Our job is to "untwist" it for Islam..
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The authors of the Koran are clear?.they can only copy the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures.
Fact is, the Koran fails in its attempt to copy the Holy Bible,
Official conditions of magnified delusion. Quite frightening.
Sura 81 proves our point quite nicely... D
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The Al-Quran came as an final message to mankind and why are you jews and christians so worried about that.
If it was a final message you would think that an Important Prophet would had brought it... As stated in the quran God spoke directly (one to one) to Moses and Jesus, but according to the quran Muhammad only received messages secondhand via Gabriel. Seems Muhammad's Mission wasn't important enough for God to deliver the Message (one to one) to the FINAL prophet....
God is God there is only ONE God and Quran don't forgot about biblical messengers.
How can it forget about the Bible when the Bible is the blueprint for Muhammads Book. The Quran is over 90% biblical with nothing new added appart from the Arab Myths (jinns etc).. also some Myths from early christian childrens bedtime stories (ie the Men in the Cave for 300 years etc).
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Albion is fixated on kitaab being the Bible, and tauraat being Torah and injeel being the Gospel.
Try reading Muhammads little book sometime Joe !!!
2113 And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing, and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing; yet both are readers of the Scripture (kitab).
Maybe you would like to tell us what BOOK/Scripture (kitab) the Jews and Christians read if its not the Bible,Torah and Gospel
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Peace Joe!
How are you feeling today?
I believe this was stated because in al-quran this is what is taught. Unless you believe otherwise I would like to see why you believe so.
Well, what I object to is the compilation of nine rules that are to be "followed".
The fact is that what mq stated was interpretations of his own on these verses, not explicit "commands" of the reading.Moreover, this to-do list is a manmade one of mq's and his personal reflection - thus I see no difference from any tafseer, fatwah, hadith and "the 9 must-believes".
regards,
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Salaam el-Aziz,
I do not believe they are nine rules. He's saying that if he knows the quran then he must believe these things therein. MQ does not mentioned belief in Allah, but obviously we know this is something else we should believe in. However, since this topic has a theme, MQ has brought forth some things that one should believe in which the quran teaches. I hope you understand.
Joe
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The fact is that what mq stated was interpretations of his own on these verses, not explicit "commands" of the reading.
Agree.. all of the points he listed are HIS INTERPRETATIOIN of what he thinks he sees and not what the quran says or what the Bible says..
Take point number 4 for example, where he THINKS the reference made in 9111 cant be found in the Bible. But when one looks, it is easy to find it in 1st Corinthians 619-20
"GOD has bought from the believers their lives and their money in exchange for Paradise. Thus, they fight in the cause of GOD, willing to kill and get killed. Such is His truthful pledge in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran - and who fulfills His pledge better than GOD? You shall rejoice in making such an exchange. This is the greatest triumph."
"Haven't you yet learned that your body is the home of the Holy Spirit God gave you, and that it lives within you? Your own body does not belong to you. For God has bought you with a great price. So use every part of your body to give glory back to God because he owns it."
Even after Muhammad adding his personal touch to 1st Corinthians 619-20. The Original source of 9111 can still be recognised.. But Muhammad misread the underlined blue section in Corinthians and thought "use every part of your body" meant to "Kill and Be Killed". An easy mistake to make for someone who didn't study Corinthians carefully, which Muhammad didn't.....
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Salaam,
Even after Muhammad adding his personal touch to 1st Corinthians 619-20. The Original source of 9111 can still be recognised..
Here Albion is mentioning that the two passages are obvious not the same. S/he subtly decides to say that Muhammad added a 'personal touch', but this passage is originally Biblical. Anything for the mission . Even foresight is here abandoned.
Joe
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I notice you are having troubles addressing the issue Joe and answering questions asked. So here again is the question you are avoiding to answer
Albion is fixated on kitaab being the Bible, and tauraat being Torah and injeel being the Gospel.
Try reading Muhammads little book sometime Joe !!!
2113 And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing, and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing; yet both are readers of the Scripture (kitab).
Maybe you would like to tell us what BOOK/Scripture (kitab) the Jews and Christians read if its not the Bible,Torah and Gospel ????
I added the ???? so you would recognise it as a Question !!
Another Question for you Joe (when you've answered the above)
Can you please provide a link to a thread where I have said this underlined section below ???? ...
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Take your time you will need it !!!!
Even foresight is here abandoned
Are you talking about the foresight Muhammad didn't have by not seeing that the original source of his material is easy to recognise
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Salaam Albion,
Man if you keep editing your posts you'll have me lost. Why don't you leave your posts as they are?
When I say you and Apple Pie have mentioned that you are here to convert people, it's in Apple Pie's own words and your own when you both try to show us that the quran is simply an imitation of the Bible which we should be following since it is al-kitaab. I'm saying, you can read your own posts to see that. You need not take you time, it's clear as day.
Joe