How Authentic is the Quran?
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Salaamun alaikum 2pac,
Of course you cannot know for sure but my point is which one is authentic??
Right, THAT was my point. We can't possibly tell if the manuscripts are authentic. Thank you. Now I will address your query.
If there's different Quran's as in minor differences how do you know that YOU have the authenticated one by Muhammed when it was revealed??Can you know for sure too??We cannot escape that there are different Quran's out there and we cannot know for sure which is the definite one revealed to Muhammed.
I answered above and will repaste here Al-quraan starts with the assertion of the protection of az-zikr. Az-zikr, if you check 68/4 , means 'the one in eminence'. This is your starting point. Go anywhere in the world and check for the one in eminence. Al-quraan anywhere is one and the same. Secondly, its in 'lisaanun arabiyun mubiin' (16/103). Check your manuscripts and you will see that its ambiguities are very telling. I mentioned before that Ayman tried to manipulate the meaning of 30/1 , saying instead of the romans being defeated, the romans defeated. He could only do that to an ambigious text, but never to the one in eminence. Third and fourthly, please see wakas and joe's post.
hope that helps.
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Salaam Jaxal,
What is wrong with that?
Only that it makes you a doubter.
You think Quran tells us about these characters in detial?
Definately.
Why does it mean that im renouning the Quran?
Jaxal you believe that in order to know musa and tauraat one must turn to the Bible. This is why.
And you still, even still, you have not shown me who the Torah was given to. Not even attempted to answer.
I told you why already. Pay attention will you?
I answered your question. Now answer mine.
Could you be more clear in it? Are you saying that Allah never mentions giving tauraat to musa?
Joe
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Again, who was the Torah given to according your methodology?
In your opinion , what does 11.17 says?
Pathetic loser doesn't even know what how 'taurat' is spelled. Its a pity Jaxal's similarly gigantic ego cannot come to terms with the fact that 'tauraat' is never associated with Musa. He need to adopt the Torah, a racist evil book with paedophilic tendencies..I wonder why?
Here's 11/17 for believers in al-quraan
Can they be (like) those who accept a Clear (Sign) from their Lord, and whom a witness from Himself doth teach, as did the Book of Moses before it,- a guide and a mercy? They believe therein; but those of the Sects that reject it,- the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. Be not then in doubt thereon for it is the truth from thy Lord yet many among men do not believe! -
SaLaM Joe
OMG YES! tht is what im saying!
mquran, dont be a mental retard. Atleast out of the whole book, you learnt the spelling of Torah. The rest, is like when a blind kid tries to read. And u aint even blind man. Or is it simply that you are too traumatized from a broken marriage or something? do you always have a big mouth on forums? Are u trying to make up for somethng you lack in real life?
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LOL, hey you sound a bit disturbed there, Homer. Its ok if you're Torah obsessed like your sunni brothers. They got all thier hadith from your favourite book too
Or go for Hajj , kiss some huge rocks and teach the saudis 'democracy from the quran'. They'd love you for it!
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LOL, hey you sound a bit disturbed there, Homer. Its ok if you're Torah obsessed like your sunni brothers. They got all thier hadith from your favourite book too Wink
Or go for Hajj , kiss some huge rocks and teach the saudis 'democracy from the quran'. They'd love you for it!
Why would i do either of those 2? Whenever you have nothing useful to say or to add, you start posting useless gibrish. Instead of being a misguided fool, why dont you study the Quran? Maybe the next time you decide to make a statement, you can ACTUALLY back it up using the Quran?
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Salaam,
OMG YES! tht is what im saying!
So then you are wrong to associate tauraat with musa. Allah never says that he has given tauraat to musa. Allah does make it a point that musa was given alkitaab and alfurqan, but never says tauraat. This is why I cannot accept you previous assertion that Allah does not mention giving musa tauraat because it is common knowledge. To you Allah has not detailed any of the narratives of the nabiyeen such as musa. I think you should seriously sit down and make an intense study of alfurqan or alkitaab, or alquran, what have you.
Or has he not been informed of what is in the scriptures of Moses, And (of) Abraham who fulfilled (commandments)? That no bearer of a burden bears another?s burden And that man can have nothing but what he strives for And that his striving will soon be seen. Then he will be rewarded for it with the fullest reward And that to thy Lord is the goal And that He it is Who makes (men) laugh and makes (them) weep And that He it is Who causes death and gives life And that He creates pairs, the male and the female From the small life-germ when it is adapted And that He his ordained the second bringing forth And that He it is Who gives wealth and contentment And that He is the Lord of Sirius And that He destroyed the First ?Ad And Thamud, so He spared not And the people of Noah before. Surely they were most iniquitous and inordinate. And the overthrown cities, He hurled down So there covered them that which covered. Which, then, of thy Lord?s benefits wilt thou dispute? This is a warner of the warners of old. The near Event draw nigh. There is none besides Allah to remove it. Wonder you then at this announcement?
Here is a litte insight into the suhufi musa.
Joe
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Why would i do either of those 2? Whenever you have nothing useful to say or to add, you start posting useless gibrish. Instead of being a misguided fool, why dont you study the Quran? Maybe the next time you decide to make a statement, you can ACTUALLY back it up using the Quran?
<------ coming from the guy who told us to study JUDAISM if we want to know about MOSES !wow...do we have a multiple personality disorder here ?
Come on Jaxal, what religion do you follow, really ?
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Nice one, Joe.
We have kitaabu Musa. We have suhufan Musa. Don't forget alwah as well in chapter 7, man. The Musa system continues to disclose itself. Many thanks for that.
Sorry, forgot also to mention this thing I tried. Try looking at the various angles of the Musa disclosure. As you move from chapter to chapter, there's something there you might notice, insha Allah.
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SaLaM Joe
That verse doesnt answers the question i asked you. Who was the Torah given to?
mquran you are talking as if YOU know who the Torah was given to. Is it the same thing as you KNOW the Quran is not altered? OR like you KNOW the quran is anti democratic? Ur letting a trauma of a broken marriage go to your head.
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The Torah was given to racist and/or paedophilic perverts who believe in it for agreeing with their vile nature. These people also claim MOSES, the guy al-quraan mentions 136 times, was given it. And so their evil needs are falsely authenticated. You want to join this sorry bunch of people?
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And again your classic gibbrish post Looooooooooooooooollllll . IF you dont have anything useful to say mquran, NO ONE is forcing you to post. So far, there isnt even one debate i had with you which lead to you actually proving your point looooooooooooooooooolll
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Of course, I forgot that 'people' like yourself don't actually go back on thier words. Your ego's now reached the point where to recant your Torah-supporting b.s. is too late. Well, there you go. Stay in that hole of yours. Go the wailing wall after your mecca trip, ok.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL MQURAN!!!!!!! Its ok to be ashamed when you cant answer a simple question. DOnt go all mental on me man!! loooooooooooooooooolllllll. Right now ur just posting gibbrish. Why dont you look at whatever book u are reading and come back and tell me who the Torah was given to? IS that so hard? ITs SUCH a simple question. And you post crap in reply. AGAIN, if you dont have anything USEFUL to post, no one is forcing you!!! Looooooool Especially when you admited to not be able to prove something wrong even tho you KNOW its not true loooooooooooool
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Salaam,
That verse doesnt answers the question i asked you. Who was the Torah given to?
Sorry Jaxal. My last post was not an answer to your question. I think the quote I responded to in my last post will make that clear. lol
Anyways, the Torah was given to the Jews. However, in the quran we are not told who the Torah is given to since the quran does not discuss the Torah. I do not associate tauraat with Torah. So forgive me if we do not see eye to eye on the meanings of some words.
Joe
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Right, THAT was my point. We can't possibly tell if the manuscripts are authentic. Thank you. Now I will address your query.
I hope your taking into account of the content as well not just how old the manuscript is.
I answered above and will repaste here Al-quraan starts with the assertion of the protection of az-zikr. Az-zikr, if you check 68/4 , means 'the one in eminence'. This is your starting point. Go anywhere in the world and check for the one in eminence. Al-quraan anywhere is one and the same. Secondly, its in 'lisaanun arabiyun mubiin' (16/103). Check your manuscripts and you will see that its ambiguities are very telling. I mentioned before that Ayman tried to manipulate the meaning of 30/1 , saying instead of the romans being defeated, the romans defeated. He could only do that to an ambigious text, but never to the one in eminence. Third and fourthly, please see wakas and joe's post.
hope that helps.
Please elaborate a different way instead of posting what you posted before because it still doesn't prove the content your studying is that of what God authenticated. I'm sorry if you think I'm coming across as being obnoxious but i'm trying to understand your point clearer as it still doesn't make any sense to me at all.
THANKS!
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SaLaM Joe
I do not associate tauraat with Torah. So forgive me if we do not see eye to eye on the meanings of some words.
Indeed we dont.
Anyways, the Torah was given to the Jews.
Ok. Lets work from there. When you say that, do you mean, that maybe one person was chosen from the jews and then God decided to give this person the Torah. Or was it a group of people who were jews and God decided to give the Torah to this group of people? Just briefly explain how exactly was the torah given to the jews.
2Pac Have you heard the phrase "cogito, ergo sum" meaning, I think, therefore i AM" ? Basically, it means that there is nothing I can prove except ME. This is what mquran is saying. How can we prove if the evidence is real or not? Frankly, tht is a weak argument.