Al-Dhikr and the detailing of al-kitaab
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Salaam,
Both the Bible and the Torah containes this FULLY DETAILED Scripture (Kitab) that was given to Moses (This is a Fact)
1 - The Bible and the Torah could be one and the same thing. Why mention Bible and Torah? Are you uneducated about this?
2 - Or do you mean Bible as in the Old and New Testaments? If so then Moses was not given most of the Old Testament nor the Gospel.
What is it that the Jews and Christians READ according to the Quran in that verse given ?? ....
Jews and Christians. According to your translation. Are you sure you are reading the ayatin correctly. Anyways, if we are to say that these are Jews and Christians, alkitaab is mentioned as the book they follow. This brings me back to my previous post and the questions given you therein.
Joe
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what is the obvious connection between Albion believing in one verse and being obligated to believe 9 other things of separate places in the reading?
That is this far anyway, a very interpretation of your own.Please read his writing again. He noted down the numbers 28/48-49 while only quoting 49. You may feel this ok but I don't, I believe in ethical , truthful discussions. Do you know where the 9 things come in? If you don't, kindly read the posting. There's no point in asking me something already clearly in the thread.
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Salaam el-Aziz,
Yea, exactly. If the Torah is part of the Bible why mention the Torah and the Bible containing kitaab in the first place? Why not just the Bible? Which lead to my second point. Moses and the Bible. According to tradition he wrote the 1st five books. Albion says that this Torah and Bible which constitutes al-kitaab was given to Moses. How so? I'm wondering. Albion must explain him/herself.
Joe
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4 That at-tauraat and al-injeel contain promises mentioned in 9/111 and also information about the messenger and his followers in 48/29yet 'torah' and 'gospel' contain no such promises (but a lot of good pornography for the discerning adult)
MQ?s point about the reference to 9111 not being in the Bible has been proved WRONG as the Original Source of 9111 CLEARLY came from 1st Corinthians as shown in earlier Posts
Now lets look at MQ?s Second FALSE Statement in Point Number 4 where he CLAIMS the TWO references to 4829 cant be found in the Torah and Gospel
Muhammad - the messenger of GOD - and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek GOD's blessings and approval. Their marks are on their faces, because of prostrating. This is the same example as in the Torah. Their example in the Gospel is like plants that grow taller and stronger, and please the farmers. He thus enrages the disbelievers. GOD promises those among them who believe, and lead a righteous life, forgiveness and a great recompense.
Firstly the Reference to the Example in the Torah which is the highlighted Blue section
"Their marks are on their faces, because of prostrating. This is the same example as in the Torah"
A quick look in the FULLY Detailed Scripture (kitab) given to Moses reveals the example that Muhammad was talking about.
2Ch 73 And all the children of Israel looked on, when the fire came down, and the glory of Jehovah was upon the house; and they bowed themselves with their faces to the ground upon the pavement, and worshipped, and gave thanks unto Jehovah, saying, For he is good; for his lovingkindness endureth for ever.
Exo 2838 And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, and Aaron shall bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before Jehovah.
Exo 3435 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone and Moses put the veil upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.
Neh 86 and Ezra blessed Jehovah, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with the lifting up of their hands and they bowed their heads, and worshipped Jehovah with their faces to the ground.
Num 206 And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tent of meeting, and fell upon their faces and the glory of Jehovah appeared unto them.
Jdg 1320 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of Jehovah ascended in the flame of the altar and Manoah and his wife looked on; and they fell on their faces to the ground.
1Ki 1839 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and they said, Jehovah, he is God; Jehovah, he is God.
1Ch 2117 Then David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.
Concidering the Fact that over 90% of the quran can be sourced back to the Bible, its an easy matter to find all such references even after they have been twisted. So MQ is just showing his lack of knowlege by making such false statements in his attempt to defend Muhammads copy of the Bible
"Their example in the Gospel is like plants that grow taller and stronger, and please the farmers. He thus enrages the disbelievers"
MQ's other False claim about this reference is also easy to find in the gospel and will be posted in next post.
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Is it prerequite for you Christians boys to undergo a lobotomy before entering the house of Paul, oops i mean 'Jesus'?
In none of the examples you have provided from your paedophilic, racist book is the complete statement given by 48/29? God isn't a dumbass like you where he needs to patch up verses from here and there. When God says they sell thier SOULS AND WEALTH, he means souls and wealth. Of course, I can't expect bible-toters to take God seriously. After all , he did lose his WWF to Jacob thus making him 'israil'
No wonder you keep saying 'little book'. The way the bible carries forth, you must feel little all day long..lol
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4 That at-tauraat and al-injeel contain promises mentioned in 9/111 and also information about the messenger and his followers in 48/29yet 'torah' and 'gospel' contain no such promises (but a lot of good pornography for the discerning adult)
The next FALSE CLAIM that MQ made is the second part of 4829
The Reference to the Example in the Gospel as highlighted in Red
"Their example in the Gospel is like plants that grow taller and stronger, and please the farmers. He thus enrages the disbelievers."
This is a well known parable of Jesus called the "Parable of the Seed" found in Matthew 13
The Parable of the Seed
13 24 Jesus told them another parable "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
1325 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
1326 When the wheat sprang up and brought fruit, then the weeds also appeared.
1327 "The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'
13 28 'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
1329" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.
1330 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "
1331 Another parable set he before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field
1332 which indeed is less than all seeds; but when it is grown, it is greater than the herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the heaven come and lodge in the branches thereof.
The Parable of the Seeds Explained
1336 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
1337He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.
1338 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,
1339 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
13 40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.
1341 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
1342 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1343 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
One can see how DETAILED the Scripture is compared to Muhammads version.
Everytime Mahammad copied from the Scripture he added his self serving parts to twist Gods word. Like Muhammads interest in Booty etc
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Being full of bullshit doesn't make a thing 'detailed', except 'detailed in bullshit'. I dont want to follow a book 'detailed in bullshit'. I'll leave that paedophilic, racist, foreskin collecting morons like yourself. If your God can only approximate and not reproduce, its no wonder you people can believe his 'son' died.
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tut! tut!... temper temper...
Dont take being proved wrong so hard !!
Remember Muhammad has also been proved wrong
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Hehe, when i see people being displaced from thier homes and oppressed thanks to the Christian mind, I emote. Looking at small time perverts like you, I get amused. Having to resort to chop and change in order to prove your point just shows the pointlessness of your b.s.
Here's another example of how Allah rips apart your b.s.
If only they had stood fast by AT-TAURAAT, AL-INJEEL, and and what was SENT DOWN TO THEM FROM THIER LORD, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course but many of them follow a course that is evil.
(5/66)If at-tauraat and al-injeel were torah and gospel
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why have christians not 'enjoyed happiness from every side', then why is it during the height of Christian Europe, the sunnis came and kicked their collective asses till christianity was dumped and they became secular (they had some sense, so should you).
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and torah and gospel were a 'detailed book' (i.e. the bible) why is there an additional 'what is sent down to them from thier lord' ? Your hypothesis falls flat yet again.
No worries albion, at least u can get the full story from Adolf when u guys meet up.
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- and torah and gospel were a 'detailed
Read Muhammads little Book again... There is ONLY ONE prophet who was given the FULLY Detail Scripture (kitab) according to Muhammad..
For 10 points... Who was it ?
Note Your Answer will be doubled checked so think carefully !!!
Your record of given correct information to date hasn't been good...
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Can't answer, can you Albion. Again and again the Quran comes and screws up your world-view
Obviously, there's no way Im going to play ball with you till you actually answer. You can go follow the sunna of Moses (according to your evil book, the Torah) and get with little girls for all I care
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You can go follow the sunna of Moses (according to your evil book, the Torah) and get with little girls for all I care D
You have called the Torah a good source for pornography, paedophilia, racism and evil.
Can you please explain these statements of yours?
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You have called the Torah a good source for pornography, paedophilia, racism and evil.
Can you please explain these statements of yours?
No i can't.
Cannot as in "unable to" or is it that you do not want to stand up for it?
What part of the Torah is it that you are refering to by the way?I find it extremly insulting what you post mq, this must come to an end!
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Cannot as in "unable to" or is it that you do not want to stand up for it?
What part of the Torah is it that you are refering to by the way?I find it extremly insulting what you post mq, this must come to an end!
I thought you didn't like compulsion but prefer invitations? You asked me a question , I gave you an answer. That's more than what you've given me thus far. Do you find that insulting as well or does this standard only work for you?
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I thought you didn't like compulsion but prefer invitations? You asked me a question , I gave you an answer. That's more than what you've given me thus far. Do you find that insulting as well or does this standard only work for you?
Don't change subjects man...
Do you wish to stand up for your attacks on the Torah or not?
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Don't change subjects man...
Oh I think the subject of your behaviour as at least as relevant as mine. Unless of course, you're Allah in his virtual form. Then we can all do sajda to you. If you are Allah, can you tell me what happened to Amelia Earhart and Jimmy Hoffa? Im curious about them.
Do you wish to stand up for your attacks on the Torah or not?
Would you like to prove your point or just leave it hanging with no substance?No, I don't. The latter, not the former.