Allah is a logical entity.
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Chill guys... lol
Neo let him post his pics...He was trying to drive a visual point home, it works for some wink
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Who died and made you God ? Idolfree liked this little "nugget of wisdom" . If you dont get it, or understand it's implications, that would be YOU'R problem! I will use my God given right to express myself freely, Capich??
Lol. Since I don't understand and/or get these extremely thought provoking implications you were making with your tree - would you care to enlighten an average Joe so he too can revel in this new found 'apple'?
By 'apple' I am of course referring to the tree of knowledge. Here is an apple
http//www.nada.kth.se/~snilsson/public/resources/apple.jpg
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Who died and made you God ? Idolfree liked this little "nugget of wisdom" . If you dont get it, or understand it's implications, that would be YOU'R problem! I will use my God given right to express myself freely, Capich??
Lol. Since I don't understand and/or get these extremely thought provoking implications you were making with your tree - would you care to enlighten an average Joe so he too can revel in this new found 'apple'?
By 'apple' I am of course referring to the tree of knowledge. Here is an apple
http//www.nada.kth.se/~snilsson/public/resources/apple.jpg
Yeah, you have the wrong apple. Here is the tree of knowledge/life
http//www.serendipity.li/dmt/life1.jpg
It's "apples" look's more like this
http//www.treesforlife.org.uk/images/Amanita_muscaria.jpg
But as i said, if you dont get it. you dont get it. That would just imply that you have a less visual intelligence, but properbly a more wordbased one then. Carrot is right, to some visualising a point works better than 4 million words. You are not such aperson. dont be sad about it. Not everyone is.
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All this over a simple exchange of can you explain what the pics mean?!?! lol On the plus side, the colours really liven up the forum...
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Seriously, why are you so reluctant to explain? Is it because you have absolutely nothing to say? I can only take your reluctance to explain as a sign of "I have no idea what I'm talking about I just wanted to show people I did 12th grade maths". Would that be far from the truth? Probably not.
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Seriously, why are you so reluctant to explain? Is it because you have absolutely nothing to say? I can only take your reluctance to explain as a sign of "I have no idea what I'm talking about I just wanted to show people I did 12th grade maths". Would that be far from the truth? Probably not.
You are free to form your own oppinion as is everyone )
Next time you ask somthing of me. be sure not to start out by being snide, that will really boost your chances of getting a sensible answer.
Carrot
All this over a simple exchange of can you explain what the pics mean?!?!
But ofcouse i will sister. Everything we experience (through vision) is made up by primitives. A primitive is a very basic shape, that can be explained through math, quite easily, like the sierpinski fractal (the triangles). We can observe to some degree how these primitives repeat themself. On the micro, and the macro scale of the universe. There are several such levels, if you are unfamiliar with the principle i will explain.
A fairly modern thesis put forth, is that planets/and solar systems resembles atoms. I dont know, but it's an interresting thought.
So when we look at a tree, what do we see? an endless complex creation, or a mathematical equation with so many variables that one can only be in total awe over someone who could design it like that, and with as many variables to the object itself. Our take on designing a tree through primitives, looks nothing like it. We can see that they resemble eachother, but are nothing like eachother.
But what we can learn through these exercises is that the universe is a machinery, a clockwork, matrix. nothing but code. But it is the most incredible code ever. Forget 1's and 0's, this stuff is complex. It would seem that the bits of the universe is capable of being present 2 places at the same time. That alone brings some very interresting perspectives, as this means the universe can operate with bits that can be turned on, yet turned off at the same time, to use a lame computer terminology.
I know that idolfree knew what i was "talking about" instantly. Alltho the above is but part of the whole explanation. You guy's didnt get it, and there is nothing wrong with this. We communicate differently.
And there are no such thing as chaos. Chaos is merely our expression of order that have such a long variable loop time that it appear chaotic. Quantum thinkers are more and more agreeing to this. With the introduction of M theory, they jumped the "order is everything" bandwagon. But M theory is not A theory, but has become a whole school of thought. One that i appreaciate mind you.
Questions?
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Next time you ask somthing of me. be sure not to start out by being snide, that will really boost your chances of getting a sensible answer.
H. Ey Let's. Put periods. At. Random places.
Okay seriously though, asking you the point of a bunch of pictures is "snide"? Lol, I'm sorry I troubled you in your sensitive time of the month.
reading the rest
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Next time you ask somthing of me. be sure not to start out by being snide, that will really boost your chances of getting a sensible answer.
H. Ey Let's. Put periods. At. Random places.
Okay seriously though, asking you the point of a bunch of pictures is "snide"? Lol, I'm sorry I troubled you in your sensitive time of the month.
reading the rest
whatever dawg, there are many way's to ask a question. you understood the meaning right?
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Peace Mel Funktion,
You guy's didnt get it, and there is nothing wrong with this. We communicate differently.
I think you may be misreading things...It's not that we didn't 'get' it...it's just that Neo wanted you to explain why you were posting pics explaining fractals and chaos theory...I've read this stuff in school and so has he, I'm quite certain of...
I thank you for giving us your take on it though. )
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Peace Mel Funktion,
You guy's didnt get it, and there is nothing wrong with this. We communicate differently.
I think you may be misreading things...It's not that we didn't 'get' it...it's just that Neo wanted you to explain why you were posting pics explaining fractals and chaos theory...I've read this stuff in school and so has he, I'm quite certain of...
I thank you for giving us your take on it though. )
You'r welcome. But the point is not fractals, and chaos theory. But an observation as to how they are relevant when viewing the logical aspect of our God. With these equations we can explain a lot of things that goes on around us. And to me and many others, they are a perfect representative of this idea.
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Seriously, why are you so reluctant to explain? Is it because you have absolutely nothing to say? I can only take your reluctance to explain as a sign of "I have no idea what I'm talking about I just wanted to show people I did 12th grade maths". Would that be far from the truth? Probably not.
You are free to form your own oppinion as is everyone
Next time you ask somthing of me. be sure not to start out by being snide, that will really boost your chances of getting a sensible answer.
Carrot
All this over a simple exchange of can you explain what the pics mean?!?!
But ofcouse i will sister. Everything we experience (through vision) is made up by primitives. A primitive is a very basic shape, that can be explained through math, quite easily, like the sierpinski fractal (the triangles). We can observe to some degree how these primitives repeat themself. On the micro, and the macro scale of the universe. There are several such levels, if you are unfamiliar with the principle i will explain.
A fairly modern thesis put forth, is that planets/and solar systems resembles atoms. I dont know, but it's an interresting thought.
So when we look at a tree, what do we see? an endless complex creation, or a mathematical equation with so many variables that one can only be in total awe over someone who could design it like that, and with as many variables to the object itself. Our take on designing a tree through primitives, looks nothing like it. We can see that they resemble eachother, but are nothing like eachother.
But what we can learn through these exercises is that the universe is a machinery, a clockwork, matrix. nothing but code. But it is the most incredible code ever. Forget 1's and 0's, this stuff is complex. It would seem that the bits of the universe is capable of being present 2 places at the same time. That alone brings some very interresting perspectives, as this means the universe can operate with bits that can be turned on, yet turned off at the same time, to use a lame computer terminology.
I know that idolfree knew what i was "talking about" instantly. Alltho the above is but part of the whole explanation. You guy's didnt get it, and there is nothing wrong with this. We communicate differently.
And there are no such thing as chaos. Chaos is merely our expression of order that have such a long variable loop time that it appear chaotic. Quantum thinkers are more and more agreeing to this. With the introduction of M theory, they jumped the "order is everything" bandwagon. But M theory is not A theory, but has become a whole school of thought. One that i appreaciate mind you.
Questions?
Okay.
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But an observation as to how they are relevant when viewing the logical aspect of our God. With these equations we can explain a lot of things that goes on around us.
Of course. )
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You'r welcome. But the point is not fractals, and chaos theory. But an observation as to how they are relevant when viewing the logical aspect of our God. With these equations we can explain a lot of things that goes on around us. And to me and many others, they are a perfect representative of this idea.
When you say logical "aspect", do you mean to imply there is an illogical aspect?
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You'r welcome. But the point is not fractals, and chaos theory. But an observation as to how they are relevant when viewing the logical aspect of our God. With these equations we can explain a lot of things that goes on around us. And to me and many others, they are a perfect representative of this idea.
When you say logical "aspect", do you mean to imply there is an illogical aspect?
No, English is not my native language. And in my own langauge that sentence would not imply that there is an illogical aspect. But there is an aspect that we cannot possibly know about. What you cannot possibly know about, will stay illogical to you. why? beacause you dont uderstand it. The math of the world however, that we CAN understand to some extend.
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You'r welcome. But the point is not fractals, and chaos theory. But an observation as to how they are relevant when viewing the logical aspect of our God. With these equations we can explain a lot of things that goes on around us. And to me and many others, they are a perfect representative of this idea.
When you say logical "aspect", do you mean to imply there is an illogical aspect?
No, English is not my native language. And in my own langauge that sentence would not imply that there is an illogical aspect. But there is an aspect that we cannot possibly know about. What you cannot possibly know about, will stay illogical to you. why? beacause you dont uderstand it. The math of the world however, that we CAN understand to some extend.
I don't think absolute knowledge is necessary in order to know certain attributes and infer from them. Basically, if a 'thing' is logical - it needs to be entirely logical; parts of it don't remain illogical based on mis/non-information.
Also, logic is not a function of our understanding - even if we don't understand it does not mean that it is not logical. 4000 years ago we didn't have any understanding of logic but that didn't mean the stars in the sky were illogical; we don't know everything about evolution - does that also mean evolution is not logical or parts of it are illogical?
It's fine to say we can't ever fathom the qualities of Allah, but one thing we can fathom and appreciate is that whatever these qualities may be they are entirely logical.
p.s. sorry about the snide comments in this thread
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You'r welcome. But the point is not fractals, and chaos theory. But an observation as to how they are relevant when viewing the logical aspect of our God. With these equations we can explain a lot of things that goes on around us. And to me and many others, they are a perfect representative of this idea.
When you say logical "aspect", do you mean to imply there is an illogical aspect?
No, English is not my native language. And in my own langauge that sentence would not imply that there is an illogical aspect. But there is an aspect that we cannot possibly know about. What you cannot possibly know about, will stay illogical to you. why? beacause you dont uderstand it. The math of the world however, that we CAN understand to some extend.
I don't think absolute knowledge is necessary in order to know certain attributes and infer from them. Basically, if a 'thing' is logical - it needs to be entirely logical; parts of it don't remain illogical based on mis/non-information.
Also, logic is not a function of our understanding - even if we don't understand it does not mean that it is not logical. 4000 years ago we didn't have any understanding of logic but that didn't mean the stars in the sky were illogical; we don't know everything about evolution - does that also mean evolution is not logical or parts of it are illogical?
It's fine to say we can't ever fathom the qualities of Allah, but one thing we can fathom and appreciate is that whatever these qualities may be they are entirely logical.
To you, from where you stand, they will be illogical. That you dont understand does not make anything illogical as a whole. But it will remain illogical to you. And yes, we can still appreaciate such aspects.
Besides look at woman. Things can be both logical and illogical at the same time.
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Besides look at woman. Things can be both logical and illogical at the same time.
A woman is a paradox with legs.Eh? I think I might resent that...as if men are any better...sheesh.
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Besides look at woman. Things can be both logical and illogical at the same time.
A woman is a paradox with legs.Eh? I think I might resent that...as if men are any better...sheesh.
I was just kidding sis.
http//www.gallica.us/the%20boys/puppy%203%20006.jpg
please forgive me!
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please forgive me!
Lol. T'is alright... D
Sorry for screwing up your thread neo...it had to be done.
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To you, from where you stand, they will be illogical. That you dont understand does not make anything illogical as a whole. But it will remain illogical to you. And yes, we can still appreaciate such aspects.
No. There is no relativity in logic; it doesn't matter where I'm standing. Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it's illogical - it means I don't understand it. Like the example of evolution - just because there are things we don't know doesn't mean there are illogical aspects to evolution. I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it again logic is not subjective. It is not up to 'interpretation'.