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    Peace idolfree1,

    Look at the verses 244 and 2152 where that expression is used.

    244
    2152

    The root is "" which translates as
    brace , advocate , aid , assist , approve , back , fuel , underpin , boost , consent , champion , cement , stake , sustain , support , uphold , bolster , enhance , extend aid to , come to the aid of , back up , share(in) the distress of , stand up for , hold up , plunk , further , help , encourage , corroborate , countenance , crutch , consolidate , confirm , go for , forward.

    from http//qamoos.sakhr.com/

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      Peace Kyle,

      The root is Ain-Waw-Nun. The meaning thereof is To be of middle age. Aid, assist, help against. An aider, helper, assistant, servant, guard. Place of growth of hair above the anterior pudendum . Oderer, regulator .

      15 ; 245 ; 268 ; 2153 ; 52 ; 7128 ; 1218 ; 1845 ; 21112 ; 254 .

      Joe

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        mquran
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        Salaamun alaikum guys,

        Good point to raise, Kylester!

        I'd like to add some of my own, if i may

        1. Notice that 'nasr' and its derivatives also mean 'help'. Seeing the dissimilarities between 'nasr' and '3awan' will yield a clearer picture.

        2. 2/67-71 gives a clear picture of what it means to be 'awan' through a physical metaphor, so i'd stick to this example as my pivotal example.

        3. 23/50 and 107/7 are missing from joe's list for some reason. I'd look at these two for the results of 'aun'.

        To me, 2/153 'astainu bisabri wasalawaat' means 'seek a state of optimum being through endurance and focus' and notice at the end of this verse, Allah is with as-sabireen. So does 'istaan' and 'salaat' make constituents of 'sabr' ?

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          Peace be upon you all,

          Thank you all for jumping on this so quickly with excellent info. Let me digest some of this.

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            peace mq, all,

            1. 23/50 and 107/7 are missing from joe's list for some reason. I'd look at these two for the results of 'aun'.

            The root Ayn-Waw-Nun does not occur in the above two references as far as I'm aware. In 1077 it is Miim-Nun-Ayn.

            Kyle - you can read the Lane entry here
            http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000488.pdf
            http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000489.pdf

            Wakas

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              Peace Wakas,

              Well, the concordance doesn't think they're of the same root either but when you factorise the word, that root pops up. How can 107/7 be Mim nun ayn when ayn appears before nun?

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                Wakas
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                peace mq,

                This is what I have

                Wa
                yamnaAAoona (root Miim-Nun-Ayn, e.g. 4141, 2143)
                al
                maAAoona (root Miim-Ayn-Nun)

                Wakas

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Peace Wakas,

                  I disagree with that rooting of al-maauun. To me, maaun is rooted in aun. There's a way of factorisng without needed to resort to concordances.

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                    peace mq,

                    I can understand why you're saying that, but going by CofQ, DofQ, openburhan (and Lane indirectly), the root of 'maAAoona' is Miim-Ayn-Nun. Perhaps you can explain your factorisation of this root and roots like it (i.e. provide other similar examples), to clarify things.

                    Thanks.

                    Wakas

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      mquran
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                      Well, it works like so I find words which various forms and root out the..well, roots. For example, Kassis notes that the root o Madeenah is 'mdh' but Fuad Abdul Baqi roots is to 'dyn'. In other words, he rooted it further which is exactly what im doing. 'Rattilul quranan tarteela', dont forget!

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                        Wakas
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                        Hmm, that sounds a little odd. Couldn't that significantly change the meaning of some words and thus signs/message?

                        Does your rendering of the root correlate with the grammar in 1077? I.e. you are saying it does and thus it is theoretically possible to have either as its root?

                        You have CofQ by Kassis?

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          mquran
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                          Hmm, that sounds a little odd. Couldn't that significantly change the meaning of some words and thus signs/message?

                          Yes it could and it does. Think about it, doesn't your inner compass resonate with madeenah rooted in 'dyn' more than 'mdh' ? Mine does.

                          Does your rendering of the root correlate with the grammar in 1077? I.e. you are saying it does and thus it is theoretically possible to have either as its root?

                          No, I don't accept 'al-maaoon' rooted in 'm-3a-n', it doesn't fit in for me because of the maf'al form. To me, the only root is 'awn'and it links inextricably to ad-deen and as-salaat in this chapter.

                          You have CofQ by Kassis?

                          Not with me, no. But I remember that particular root vividly because it made me wonder at the time. Deen is so prominent in madeenah, i thought to myself.

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                            Wakas
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                            peace mq,

                            Yes, I can see links between madinah and dyn.

                            I remembered I have came across this roots thing before, with malaikah (root MLK & LAK). Hopefully, as my study of grammar continues, it should become clearer.

                            Wakas

                            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                              mquran
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                              Peace Wakas,

                              At the end of the day, I find simply sticking to Quranic rules beats any man-made restrictions of understanding. Just compile the likenesses as much as you possibly can (rattilul quranaan tartelaan).

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