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    unknownuser
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    Peace be upon you,

    I agree with MQ

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      Wakas
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      Taken from PRL

      = Siin-Lam-Miim = safety/security/freedom/immunity, to escape, salutation/greeting/peace, deliver/acknowledge, pay in advance, submit, sincerity, humility/submission/conformance, resign/quit/relinquish

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      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Wakas
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        peace,

        So then Islam is rather a state of being, like being in peace!?

        Islam, if you take all of al-quraan, means 'attainment of 'salaam'.

        islam is not equivalent to peace

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          mquran
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          Wakas islam is not equivalent to peace

          Whats it equivalent to then, Wakas?

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            unknownuser
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            Hello

            What I have learnt about the word Islam is close to mquran comment, however there is more into it than just accpeting all the Quran

            the arabic word "to sa lem" doen't always mean to greet with peace rather you accept something with full submission even if was a bad thing

            for example if I get hit by cancer, then as a Muslim I have to "Osalem" that it is from Allah, and I should not cry and rebel against it and keep asking why Allah chose me out of all these people and hit me with cancer?

            same with a dear person who dies, or a failure to achieve something that was highly desired

            on the other hand we should also "Nosalem" that the Quran is from Allah and all these heaven and earth and us are created by Allah

            any success in life we should "Nosalem" that it is from Allah

            it is a bit different to be a believer actually, it is much higher level than just to believe, it means "TO SUBMIT TO ALLAH"

            the Quran actually diffrentiated between "Mo'men" and "Muslim"

            "The wandering Arabs say We believe. Say (unto them, O Muhammad) Ye believe not, but rather say "We submit," for the faith hath not yet entered into your hearts. Yet, if ye obey Allah and His messenger, He will not withhold from you aught of (the reward of) your deeds. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. "

            (14)

            Peace

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              Wakas
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              peace/salam mq, wink

              'islam' does not equal 'peace'

              salam = peace

              islam, like you said can be 'attainment of peace'

              'peace' is an end-product of 'islam'

              islam = compliance/surrender/submission/conformance

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                mquran
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                Peace Wakas,

                So 'islam' is like the process of getting salaam ? And that process you call compliance? That does fit in with 2/233's 'idhaa SALLAMtum', when you pay/comply.

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                  SwedenMajidah
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                  Salaam all,

                  Thanks guys for all your input D

                  So islam has many meanings!? well i wish it only had one meaning ?

                  Peace Sis Maria

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                    mquran
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                    Salaam Majidah,

                    It does have only one meaning. The thing is, we're thinking about it in our own respective languages. If you just thought al-islaam and pictured 'attainment of salaam', thats just one meaning, but a very WIDE meaning. Unfortunately, toluislam.com is down at the moment. When it comes back on, i'll paste the meaning here for you.

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                      SwedenMajidah
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                      Salaam MQ,

                      Ty always so helpful D

                      Peace Maria

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                        mquran
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                        You're most welcome, Majidah.

                        I just thought of the relationship between 'islam' and 'salaam' is comparable to the relationship 'communism' and 'equality for all mankind' (the purported fruits of communism). So communism is to attain this goal of equality.

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                          SwedenMajidah
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                          Salaam MQ handshake

                          Well the baby of communism is good but not the communism today.

                          Peace sis Maria

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                            So 'islam' is like the process of getting salaam ?

                            Yes.

                            And that process you call compliance?

                            I dont call it that, I dont have a formal name for it, but "compliance" as a descriptive word is ok.
                            The only problem when using a word like "compliance" or "submission" is to people who dont know what you are referencing, its like a negative thing, like you're forced to submit, as if its against your will. You have no say in the matter, you just follow what you are told.
                            Whilst in reality, what I mean by "compliance" is to the true-self, the internal compass, nature, universal laws that so many people comply to, yet dont regard themselves as 'muslimeena' (those who comply). Perhaps acknowledgement of the source of this nature is the sticking point for some.

                            Wakas

                            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                              Peace be upon you,

                              I see it this way

                              (3102) You, you those who trust, revere The God as He deserves to be revered, and do not die (E) except and you are "muslimoona".

                              I do not think the God is saying not to die unless we are "attaining" peace, but instead at peace.

                              I have it as

                              Islam= Peacefulness
                              Muslm= One who is peaceful
                              Salaam= Peace

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                                unknownuser
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                                Peace to all

                                I posted the arabic verse that Allah CLEARLY told us that Islam is to submitt to Him He even told the arabs who claim to be believers that it is better to say they are Muslims "Submitters" , this is a common arabic sentence, "Tosalem Be Amr Allah"

                                also it has nothing to to do with Dr Rashad Khalifa cult "submission" He was just smart enough to use the exact meaning Allah want us to know about Islam, I totally disagree with his so called mathematical miracle and I reckon it is a joke, the verse he is using "Alayah Tess'at Asher" is actually describing him more than describing any math miracle in the Quran, I still respect his other good work though

                                peace was mentioned in the Quran using the word "Selm"

                                "Wa Iza Ganaho Lel Selm" which clearly means the peace process

                                sure the submissionto Allah will lead to a peaceful state of mind and consequently most actions and deeds will be peaceful, but the word islam is "To To Salem Be Amr Allah", "To submit to whatever Allah says in His Quran or does to you in this testing life "

                                I will try to bring all the verses that support the meaning of submitting, it is clear as light, there should not be any confusion

                                Peace to all

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Hello again

                                  Don't forget that in sura no 2, Allah is encouraging us to fight the pepetrators big times

                                  very tough and violent words were used indeed

                                  Allah also exposed the hypocrites who wanted to dodge the duty of fighting

                                  now to be a muslim you must fight and even kill who attack our religion and want to kill us

                                  the above is an important part to be a muslim, and surley has nothing to do with peace, rather submitting to Allah laws in His Quran

                                  peace to all

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                                    Peace be uppon you Ahmed,

                                    You have posted your idea of "islam". We can substitute "peacefulness" in every instance.

                                    Fighting for self defense is maintaining the peace. Just like the body fights off diseases.

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                                      Ahmed Bahgat wrote

                                      for example if I get hit by cancer, then as a Muslim I have to "Osalem" that it is from Allah, and I should not cry and rebel against it and keep asking why Allah chose me out of all these people and hit me with cancer?

                                      So , you believe that if someone has cancer; then it's from God?
                                      You believe that God dictates when and how everyone on this Earth will die?

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                                        Peace be uppon you Ahmed,

                                        You have posted your idea of "islam". We can substitute "peacefulness" in every instance.

                                        Fighting for self defense is maintaining the peace. Just like the body fights off diseases.

                                        Peace idolfree

                                        sorry bro this is not my idea, this is a vey well know fact about Islam, and I knw the arabic words very well, it is more to submitt than be a peaceful human, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, i will show a few verses later to support this common knwledge in the arab world

                                        peace

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                                          Ahmed Bahgat wrote

                                          for example if I get hit by cancer, then as a Muslim I have to "Osalem" that it is from Allah, and I should not cry and rebel against it and keep asking why Allah chose me out of all these people and hit me with cancer?

                                          So , you believe that if someone has cancer; then it's from God?
                                          You believe that God dictates when and how everyone on this Earth will die?

                                          Absoutely

                                          but Allah does not do it randomly, He does anything for a cause he only knows, let me post this verse from the Quran

                                          "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

                                          (216)

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