To Danish
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Dear Danish
I browsed some of the posts here and I found many of your posts aggressively attacking the Quran, while paying little attention to the good answers (not all of them, of course) given to you.
For instance, I browsed the first page of chain titled, WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH? I do not know the facts and I am not fan of "actions" taken against forum participants. But, in that link you challenged your opponent with a question regarding Pharaoh
DanishAccording to the Quran, was Firoun and his troops drowned (250, 2840, 17103) or were they preserved (1092)?
And someone nicknamed mquran gave you a concise and convincing answer
Look at the syntax of this..'was Firaun and his troops drowned OR were they preserved'.
Why is it 'OR' ? Why can't it be 'subsequently' ?
Secondly, did Everwhine actually read 10/92? If he did, why did he think Firaun's troops were preserved in body? The ayat only mentions Firaun.
The entire question (more accurately, challenge) and answer could have ended in just three short postings, had you acknowledged the answer. Instead of reflecting on and acknowledging that simple yet sound answer, you chose to engage in irrelevant arguments and indulge in ad hominem attacks. Some of your opponents too contributed to your diversion of the issue through lengthy and irrelevant arguments.
I remembered an episode you had experienced a couple of years ago, in which you got me involved from a long distance. You know how I felt about you and .... So, consider this letter an honest advice from a friend. Please have mercy on yourself and come to your senses. Through your choices you may be blinding yourself to divine signs. My prayers are with you.
If you and other participants of this forum desire, we may have once-a-week ORAL discussion through Paltalk. One of my friends may open the room 19.org for such a gathering. Or someone from free-minds may open a discussion room in Paltalk under the section ISLAM. Perhaps, through a poll the best time for such a gathering can be determined and afterwords the name of the room and the time of the gathering may be announced.
I do believe that oral discussion, if it is conducted as short dialogues/debates can be very useful. For instance, there was a gentleman at 19.org's Turkish forum aggressively attacking Quran. I invited him to an oral debate at Paltalk. He kindly accepted the invitation. In about an hour the issue was clarified for many participants.
So
Please make a list of TEN of your most powerful criticism towards the Quran, and let us know that you are ready for an oral discussion. Also tell us the best times you will be available. Written discussion has many advantages over oral discussion; however, one advantage of oral discussion (Socratic debates between two people) sometimes override all others it is immediate and let's the hay get separated from grains.
Peace,
Edip -
Dear Edip,
Good to hear from you. Yes, it?s been a while since we last spoke over the phone and prior to that, had the opportunity to meet with you and your family in person on two occasions. I?ve read many of your great articles and debates with other well known individuals and occasionally peek into your website. I?ve had a wonderful feeling to have met a renowned valiant figure like yourself, having gone through various life experiences, as has been the case with myself.
I browsed some of the posts here and I found many of your posts aggressively attacking the Quran, while paying little attention to the good answers (not all of them, of course) given to you.
In all honesty, ?attacking aggressively? doesn?t suit my taste and would prefer the term ?textual criticism?.
For instance, I browsed the first page of chain titled, WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH? I do not know the facts and I am not fan of "actions" taken against forum participants. But, in that link you challenged your opponent with a question regarding Pharaoh
DanishAccording to the Quran, was Firoun and his troops drowned (250, 2840, 17103) or were they preserved (1092)?
And someone nicknamed mquran gave you a concise and convincing answer
Look at the syntax of this..'was Firaun and his troops drowned OR were they preserved'.
Why is it 'OR' ? Why can't it be 'subsequently' ?
Secondly, did Everwhine actually read 10/92? If he did, why did he think Firaun's troops were preserved in body? The ayat only mentions Firaun.
The entire question (more accurately, challenge) and answer could have ended in just three short postings, had you acknowledged the answer. Instead of reflecting on and acknowledging that simple yet sound answer, you chose to engage in irrelevant arguments and indulge in ad hominem attacks. Some of your opponents too contributed to your diversion of the issue through lengthy and irrelevant arguments.
Edip, I was looking for an explanation from mquran not a question, including but not limited to providing evidence, in conjunction to other related verses and as well as to some of the points I?d risen. I would recommend you to please read into my posts in that link relevant to my concerns and share your thoughts as well. People in the past thought that one of the Ramses was the Pharaoh and then came this Merenptah ordeal which is put to rest.
As far as my opponents are concerned, well, I've already spoken out on them for their own diversions rather than contributing to discussing the subject matter, as is quite apparent throughout this forum amongst themselves and not solely on my part.
If you and other participants of this forum desire, we may have once-a-week ORAL discussion through Paltalk. One of my friends may open the room 19.org for such a gathering. Or someone from free-minds may open a discussion room in Paltalk under the section ISLAM. Perhaps, through a poll the best time for such a gathering can be determined and afterwords the name of the room and the time of the gathering may be announced.
I do believe that oral discussion, if it is conducted as short dialogues/debates can be very useful. For instance, there was a gentleman at 19.org's Turkish forum aggressively attacking Quran. I invited him to an oral debate at Paltalk. He kindly accepted the invitation. In about an hour the issue was clarified for many participants.
So
Please make a list of TEN of your most powerful criticism towards the Quran, and let us know that you are ready for an oral discussion. Also tell us the best times you will be available. Written discussion has many advantages over oral discussion; however, one advantage of oral discussion (Socratic debates between two people) sometimes override all others it is immediate and let's the hay get separated from grains.
I?m glad that you?ve offered to join in where others may have failed and perhaps can better explain my several concerns. My time is very unpredictable and complicated, and as you?ve mentioned that written discussion has its vantage over oral counterpart, and in that, it is also comprehendible, time warped and manifested.
Once again, glad to have you on board.
Peace.