Allah is a logical entity.
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Why such insecurity Savage Carrot? You always attack people like this. Is that limit of your intelligence? Do I undermine your cherished belief in a scripture that came through a human being, is that why you find me a threat?
Savage Carrot, this is the thing you need to understand. Abandon tribal thinking and see World as Gods irrefuable revelation for ALL MANKIND!
Oh please stop! You always do this! Do you know where the words "Lote Tree" comes from? See surah 53, verse 14. It's a Symbolic Tree that represents the limits to all our rational thought. So please stop this nonsense of attacking people like this.He's gone stark raving mad! Is it a full moon by any chance?!?
Don't flatter yourself chuthlu wink
I have studied quran for two years wink
memorized 6 chapters of it and was called a "Hafiz" -)
So yes you could say I have read the quran -)Regards,
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Study by memorization. How quaint.
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Study by memorization. How quaint.
I have studied quran for two years
memorized 6 chapters of it and was called a "Hafiz" -)
So yes you could say I have read the quran -)Brilliant piece of logical deduction from above sentences Miss Sherlock Holmes. Dr. Watson will be astounded! wink
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Peace be upon you,
Whats going on here shock
Where the peacefulness(islam)?
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So we are not to follow blindly what you call the irrefutable word's of God`? We cannot trust God?
No. Jesus man, I keep telling you to learn your enligsh and over and over your lack of it means I have to repeat the most fundemental things. The Qur'an is the irrefutable word of Allah, and because the Qur'an says we should question it - we should. If the Qur'an was the irrefutable word of Allah and it said we should not question it - then we wouldn't be here in the first place arguing this. The fact that the Qur'an is the irrefutable word of Allah is established after reasonable verification anyway because being 'irrefutable' implies it has been penetrated by logic and reasonned arguments.
And please, please don't use yellow font - this is not a kindergarden colouring session.
At this point a definition of logic/reason would be nice. As we know for a fact that everything we sense and feel is but chemichal reaction and electrical pulses. And we know for a fact that we do not see with our eye's but the backside of our brain, and as we know that we can simulate those experiences to make people belive they experience something that is not happening at all. What can we use as a tool of measure, for this logic/reason that is trustworthy?
If you don't understand the definition of reason/logic go read up on it - it's not my job to educate you on your fundementals. As you know, I don't buy into your subjective logic bullshit so the above paragraph is a big misnomer anyway. If you don't know what logic is - that's your problem, not mine. I'm getting sick of you trying to obfuscate the topic and playing cat and mice - I've already proven to you that logic is objective, you admitted to it, and yet you go back into this crap. Don't expect any more replies if all you're going to write is drivel.
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read it again. that is excactly what it says. you just agreed with me.
Besides what is pseudo science?Light emitted from the Object, of course. Thus I did not agree with you. Learn.To.Read.
Pseudo science is what you potheads use to justify your bullshit beliefs.
prove this please. prove that the object you think create the stimuli, does exist.
LOL, more holographic universe b.s.? Sorry, like I said - I don't bother with matrixheads. Go to matrixfans.net for that, they have plenty of bullshit discussions on this crap there.
No that is not what it is saing. Try to read it again, and take you'r time. read it as many times as you need.
The word is "your"; there's no apostrophe after the "u".
Also, you're (note how I spelt it) the one who didn't understand my argument.
awww...all the scientist's working in the field of vision will be sorry to hear so. Besides. you know. Once round earth was pseude science too.
Lol. I doubt you even understand what "science" is.
this is written before the matrix. try again
No shit it was, but The Matrix perfectly puts it. It's still full of crap though.
You assume that we have been thinking for some 50.000 years? how do you know?
Way to miss the point of the argument Einstein; I could clear it up for you but I like watching you squirm so I'll leave it be and just call you an idiot for it. Idiot.
We have obsered something that would seem as absoluts. Within the time we have known of absolutes several of them have been proved false over and over again. Wich strongly imply that we are unable to truely define them, thus it is futile to waste our time with it. Im not arguing for either, but both! is it that hard to understand?
Lol, put down the weed.
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The quran asks you to use reason, which if you have read it, is abundantly clear. All your actions/thoughts etc you are responsible for. You must verify to the best of your ability and then follow. God Himself has put the quran up for verification. It gives a challenge to people to check for contradictions,
There are no contradictions in Bhagavad Gita, there are no contradictions in one of Shakepears's sonnets, there are no contradictions in Mozart piano concerto no 23 - But what does that prove? It proves nothing about Divine origin of Scripture. Scripture came through a human being and there is no way of getting around this. You either believe scripture to be God's word or you don't.
what proof of a logical text! (lmk if you need verse numbers).
What a LOGICAL conclusion! Euclids Textbook is a very logical text! What does that prove? nothing. If a text appears to be logical that is because our REASONING is tied to our LANGUAGE, there is no way of getting around this!
This is to increase capacity for logical and clear thinking in a human which helps in filtering bs like pseudo science amongst other things...
Is there such thing as FALSE SCIENCE? Science is empirical. If there is no observational data then that can't be science, can it?
Believe in it after you have ascertained to the best of your ability using rational and logical thought...
Why do you still have to believe in it if you have LOGICAL proof?
How will the believers know it is from their Lord? Using the same capacity of thought present in all humans unless they choose to follow flights of fancy.
Human capacity of thought once believed that earth was flat and was supported on a back of a giant turtle.
Human capacity to know changes continually. There is no certainty in human knowledge. As neo says our interpretation of reality is subjective. If that is the case then we will never know perhaps what objective reality is.
What we have observed while 'seeing' you post is that you are arguing for everything is subjective as per your own quotes. If we can't comprehend the full extent of reality due to our shortcomings does that mean it does not exist?
How will we know if it exists if our interpretation of reality is subjective.
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Please, put down the pot.
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Problem is. If you do not accept premise 1, premise 2 doesn't matter at all. It converts into subjective blabla
Well no shit Rudolph. If you don't accept premise 1 why the hell are you even here?! It's a friggin premise for god's sakes. Listen, do you want me to wikipedia.com every polysyllabalic word I use just for you? If you don't believe the Qur'an is God's word - start another thread, don't pollute this thread with your drivel.
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Please, put down the pot.
Perhaps you should come out of that pot you have your head stuck in the first place? wink
You say our interpretation of reality is subjective - how would you ever know what objective reality is then?
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Please, put down the pot.
Perhaps you should come out of that pot you have your head stuck in the first place? wink
You say our interpretation of reality is subjective - how would you ever know what objective reality is then?
Regards,
Learn to read.
I have read wink
Premise 1 the Qur?an is the irrefutable word of Allah
and...
You say our interpretation of reality is subjective - how would you ever know what objective reality is then?
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I would call it pragmatic, instead of logical, and that too for our benefit. Allah has created this book for us and naturally, He has kept the audience in mind when authoring this book... logic is merely a tool for us humanbeings to make sense of things around us, and to keep our emotions and our fiery disposition in check.
Also, Allah's intention for revealing the Quran is clear (please read the first 3 verses of Surah TauHaa)
201 O Ideal Prophet!
202 We have not bestowed upon you this Qur'an to cause you any hardship.
203 But as a Reminder to the reverent, those who stand in awe of the Creator.