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Peace be upon you Wakas,
Kyle wrote
The thought that comes to me is that they are relying on the WIND/AIR to carry them.Exactly. They are using what they have to work WITH God's laws, in order to acheive their goal of flight.
This to me, is a representation of slw for us. Similarly, it can also be a representation of sbh.
yay I won!!
Seriously, I am following your reasoning, I think Ican add to it, but I need more time.
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Clearly, they have received their instruction, have we received ours?
I was pondering this question, and the Ayah.
Birds follow their instinct, as all animals do. Perhaps instinct is the language that God has given to the animals to follow. Humans use words, thoughts, feelings to honor/worship/glorify God. This is our language.
Yet for us to really hear God we have to go within , to the heart. We have to make the other distractions go away. That is done in meditation, and I think of salat as a form of meditation. We remove ourself form the thoughts of earthly things, silent our mind and heart and turn within and go before God.
Now just as each type of animal has its own "instinct to follow", for example birds fly and hunt worms, fish swim, etc. So each human , or groups of humans ( religions) , have thier own type of salat they follow.
So what is salat?
Is it a set of certain words and movements, people of a certain religion do? Or is it deeper then that, is it more primal?
Is it something we can only grasp when we get beyond the material
level ?Animals do not have to get beyond their mind, as they do not have free will, they like all other creations, just do what they were created to do.
this is a very interesting topic, that I need to think more about.
Peace
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Peace be upon you silentsalaam,
Exactly my thoughts! D
Still have to work this all out but I really think this is the answer.
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Peace to All
brother wakas, great post btw, and will try to find how it can be related to other verses from the Quran
just a small note brother mquran "Fa'iloon" does not mean Feel at all,
it means "to action it"
F'el is the verb "To do" and is one of the basics in arabic and there is only one meaning to it which is To Do any Action
peace
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I know the following verse which decribe the birds being arranged in straight lines "like rows", would that mean it is theor arrangement while praying as humans do?, Allah knows best
"Do they not observe the birds above them, spreading their wings and folding them in? None can uphold them except (Allah) Most Gracious Truly (Allah) Most Gracious Truly it is He that watches over all things. "
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Please note, Yusuf Ali commited a mistake in his translation as always, he forgot to translate the Arabic word " ", which is describing the birds as flying in rows "Saffat"
Peace
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Peace,
I usually see birds fly in triangles.
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That is right and if you look at this tringle you will see that it consist from two lines
in fact the best word to translate "SAFFAT" should be lines
the point is they form an arrangment in lines as we do in our salat
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peace,
please see the following thread for discussion on translating 2441 and 6719
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1179
6719 is discussing wings outspread & their contracting, i.e. both parts of flapping their wings to fly.
Thank you brother
Yes I agree (Yakbodn) is to spread the wings to fly, my only point here is "Saffat" which menas lines, and that is my observation that possibly they are praying while making this formation, regardless of their wing status
peace and thanks for the link
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Selam brothers,
I wish I could give any input but I do not speak Arabic ops However, there is one thing I wanted to say about birds. One day as I returned from work I saw a swarm of crows flaying - we have a lot of them in my country lol . I stood there and observed for several minutes. I saw them flying in two, three, four and even more. The first would flap the wings for several times and then outspread them and then the other bird/s followed suit. I also saw them flaying together, all of them, a big swarm. But there was smth interesting... I saw one bird flying alone - flapping its wings and then outspreading them - among all the others this one was alone and latter another bird joined!!
I hope this helps a bit.
God knows betterMay He bless us all.
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Peace all,
another thought about birds
One sura says the birds know their salat. Always made me think of the times of days - fajr and ichaa - when birds gather and sing.
Great to see with swallows cause they fly together as well.
Before, this always made me wonder why the birds had only two salat... lol (this was when i still did 5!)
LK
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Salaam sister Elke,
Yeah the birds are a sign for the timings of salat, I have had this understanding during many years now.
Peace sis Majidah
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Peace all,
another thought about birds
One sura says the birds know their salat. Always made me think of the times of days - fajr and ichaa - when birds gather and sing.
Great to see with swallows cause they fly together as well.
Before, this always made me wonder why the birds had only two salat... lol (this was when i still did 5!)
LK
salaams
with respect to the timing of salaat, what is your quranic and "natural" conclusion as to what exact time should FAJR and ISHA be?regards,
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Peace to all
I believe so far the Quran indicates that there is 3 Salats
Fajr
Maghrib
Isha
and logically speaking Isha Salat should be the "Salat Wosta" "The midlle Salat", mentioned in the Quran
Allah knows best
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It is also possibly that the other two salat at day time (Zuhr and Asr) were sunnah, what is worth mentioning that the sunnah people pray Zuhr and Asr silently, unlike the other three
Allah knoes best
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Salaam Ahmed,
Yes but still it's only your opinion, right!?
I think it's better to actually look in the Quran about the word salatul fajr and salatul Ishaa if they actually exists then rather supposing that there could be that salat and also another salat at another timing etc.
My logic sense tells me there are only two salat times at day and it is at the edge of the day at dawn and dusk.
Peace Sis Majidah
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Peace khurram
fajr/ichaa, the times when day/night is merged into night/day or in a wider sense the beginninhg and end of our days. (days for work / night for rest)
Quran also repeats often the remembering of God in the morning and in the evening.
Peace AhmedBaghgat,
how do you come to the conclusion wusta is maghreb ? If i understood wusta as an independent prayer - and not as centered or balanced as i atually do - i would believe it to be a noon prayer.
LK
