Quran & Democracy: Are they compatible? by M. Asadi
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before this part is deleted or not, let me say, mquran, you have used the quran this time to justify the verbal abuse. How strange use of the verses?
Why is it strange? If my use is an ABuse you are free to take me up on it. I am ready to correct myself if so.
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Er, okay then...I've started to have images of dwarves and pick axes singing Hey ho...one dwarf in particular comes to mind...Grumpy.
Hey, if you look at Quranic use of kufr and nifaaq, you'll find that all of us have kufr and nifaaq unless we reach the status of Ibrahim. Its only when we act to cause mischief that we actualise the kufr within. Kafir is not a racially pejorative term in quranic use. Its a state of being when you reject or conceal the universally divine truths.
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I think it's disgusting but I think they need to clear that out.
I agree, someplace far far away...I mean who airs their dirty laundry on a PUBLIC forum? Who's Jackie anyway? What's up with the ex wife? Paedophiles yet? Wait is Jackie the ex wife?!?
Why do we even NEED to know? Before anyone can say "it's none of my business", it IS a public forum and all of YOU reading the thread have these mysterious questions dancing in front of your eyes too...it disturbs you deeply, you can't sleep...now one needs to know when the next episode of this soap opera airs.
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True enough mq, but I still have these questions... lol
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Hi to all,
All I can sense here is arrogance, absurd comparisons and disrespect for fellow beings!
I dont wish to demean myself to those standards!Of course, asking AL-QURAAN, which to you is a history book and not comparable to Montesqiu , Voltaire and Locke, is DEMEANING. Wonderful.
Now, for once did I mention/use 'Quran' in my remark here?
I spoke of human behaviour.
And he says, ''asking Al-Quran' to u is demeaning''. Did I say anything like that?. Is this how one twists the words to get an advantage. Pathetic!
Mquran, does Quran tell u to be rude, arrogant, impolite?
Do not justify every wrong act with the holy word of 'Al-Quran' in ur sentences.Al-quraan details al-ahkaam, God's universal laws. And until now, MONTHS after the discussion started, the democrats cant bring a single verse. Yet stillearning says democracy is the best system around. He cannot be an al-muslim because they submit to Allah whereas he submits to the majority of humans. I cant believe even that's not obvious.
Jaxal, Peacefulmuslim and Stillearning are actually MENTIONED in al-quraanHast thou not turned Thy vision to those who declare that they believe in the revelations that have come to thee and to those before thee? Their (real) wish is to resort together for judgment (in their disputes) to ASH-SHAITAAN, though they were ordered to reject him. But Satan's wish is to lead them astray far away (from the right).
When it is said to them "Come to what God hath revealed, and to the Apostle" Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust
(4/60-61)God predicted thier kufr from the beginning Smile Alhamdulillah.
And it's not 'a RUSUL' unless in your retard's english there's such a thing as 'a MESSENGERS'.. Smile Stay another decade in the middle east, then maybe you can pick that up Wink
No, I only speak like that to cry-baby losers who get laughed at after being turned down TWICE Very Happy Was the crying therapeutic enough? Btw, Jackie says hi.
God loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for God is He who heareth and knoweth all things.(4/14
Ridiculous! Absolute misuse and abuse of Quranic verses for one's advantage !
Why would you lash out at me for disagreeing with you?)
I wouldn't. Disagreement doesn't bother me in the least.
When someone is not getting it you seem to insist that they do
No. My insistence is upon an ordered dialogue which I do my best to implement personally.
you call them unbelievers and hypocrites....what possible good can come of this? Leave them be if they don't agree, you can only be stronger instead of dirtying yourself with er, dirt.
Sc, I dont label ppl things. I look to the book and see how thier behaviour is according to the book. The book is a functional book, its not there for our casual perusal instead of use in daily life. To me, 'kafir' , 'munafiq' and so forth are classifications and help me see the strategies of interaction. There's no point in reminding via the ayaat to a kafir, for example. This whole discussion faltered precisely because I was speaking to ppl who do not believe in the ayaat. That's why no matter how many times you quote it for them, they wont listen to you. Im sorry this has to be the case, but hey-ho, that's life.
Is there not enough evidence of abuse of fellow beings already?
Is there not misuse of Allah's verses in his posts already, used for his advantage?
But hey-ho, He is appointed here to judge people and their beliefs.I guess this is between Mq and Jaxal only.
Did u miss out my name and still learning's name?
No, this is not between Jaxal and him.
Mquran is lashing out at people who disagree with his views, as usual.Well, nice to know that u appreciate the sincerity but I would like some reciprocation without resorting to 'judging my views or me' for that matter. I am open to discussion with anyone who wants to talk sense and truth.
As for the 'dont judge me' rant, this isn't Christianity. Christians love to crow 'judge not lest ye be judged' malarkey. Al-quraan is different. It's telling you TO JUDGE and further, to judge BY THE BOOK. Obviously if you don't wanna do this, its cool. But its really pathetic to claim to be a muslim if the book is totally alien to you.
WOW! Speechless!
before this part is deleted or not, let me say, mquran, you have used the quran this time to justify the verbal abuse. How strange use of the verses?
God loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for God is He who heareth and knoweth all things.(4/14
This is how he seems to discuss! Using Quranic verses in an inappropriate manner , and out of context to abuse people who disagree with him?
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Strangely, all the loudness with the 'loools' and unintelligent remarks disappear when women reject you. Its just a great big 'waaaaaaa', isnt it Rizzy?
On a serious note though, the women on this forum to take note, Rizwan here doesn't take no for an answer. Be wary please.
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Jaxal,
I get ur 'turning a deaf ear to nonsense' approach.Good going!)
But its evident he resorts to nonsense abuseS when he doesnt have the answers. So what answers are u looking for, from him? U will end up only with more abuses. and guess why? coz u dared to diasgree with his views. )
I wouldnt be interested in discussing sense with another person who at the least, cant respect his fellow human beings. -
Salaam Jaxal,
Who has said MQ is married!?
Peace Sis Majidah
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Lovely, this just gets better and better...
To be honest, I don't think anyone wants to discuss the title of the thread after this...I mean come on, soap opera vs democracy?!? Is there any contest?
Secondly, on a serious note, I'm sad to see such immature bickering going on. Isn't there anyone who wants to be the strong silent type and walk away from this? Just a note though, if anyone does decide to do that, don't leave us on a cliffhanger regarding the next eps pleassse...
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Salaam Nadia!
He he you are curious now, aren't you!?
soap operas use to have that effect
I have chat with both of them so I know a lot
Peace Sis Majidah
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salaam
Everyone seems to on first name terms. Is the whole discussion some kind of big joke?Oh yes the discussion was democracy which mquran(what a name-talk about arrogance) now seems to be suggesting is about the merits of democracy. The discussion originate with remark that the Quran is antidemocratic
For the Quran to be anti democratic it must be for another system.
The other system according to our learned friend initially was that only someone called rasul could determine
unfortunately we came across a littel problem that no body knew of a rasul for the last 1400 years so it became difficult to find out in the society we live in how we can develope simple rules like speed of cars what to do paedophiles etc.
So this little problem having no rasul to determine these rules was simply sidestepped and now we have the book and God determining these rules. I must admit I am probably not learned as mquran as I have not been able to determine from the Quran at what speed i should drive home when I finish work (yes I have had to come to work this awful time of the night) and unfortunately God does not speak to me or anyone else that i know so I am left in limbo bit like billions of other on this planet.
What do my question prove- well if you cannot understand then obviousouly b----- all.
I live in a society which cannot function without simple rules like what speed we should be driving and those that claim democracy is useless just please tell me how you would determine these rules BECAUSE IN THE WORLD THAT I LIVE IN YOU CANNOT FUNCTION WIOTHOUT THESE RULES-must dash work calls-apologies for mistakes rudeness etc
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shock
Please MODS - CLOSE THIS THREAD NOW!!!!
The VERBAL ABUSES HAS BECOME PERSONAL AND HAS GONE TOO FAR - THIS MUST STOP NOW!!!!
Regards,
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Nietzsche was not a facist. He hated Jew haters. He broke relations with his sister because she became anti-semitic. He once said he wanted to kill all those who hate Jews. Also he thought German culture was decandant and deprived. From from being a Nationalist he died being Nation-less. That is he stoped being part of Prussia or any other Nation. He liked Sweden more than he liked Germany. He also found ideas which at the time were precursors to Nazism stupid and just another fictonal vision of society. He thought Nationalism was a comical thing to be laughed at. As a child he was a devout boy. But then he abandonded Christanity. He liked Buddism, a religion Facists did not like. Also Nietzsche went mad because of syphilous. Also because of a mental condition he got from his father. Not because of his philosophy. Also he lost his mental capabilities when he defended a horse. The horse was about to be whipped so he ran to the horse and put his hands on it to try to save it from a lash of the whipp. Then he colapsed never to be sane again.