The Omnipotent, Omnipresent, All knowing but Doing Nothing?
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peace idolfree1,
you wroteNo, there is no such thing as luck, we reap what we sow. The difference between "strong" and "weak" is TRAINING,
most of the time we reap what we sow but not all the times.
can a sparrow punch an eagle knockout by training? surely we humane beings can achieve a lot by traning but mother nature has designed us as unique individuals, we are all different from one another and like a sparrow we all have our own limitations and levels which we can achieve.No, that is not "you", that is your personality that you are wrongly identifying with. You have to cultivate the ability to seperate the real "you" from your thoughts, emotions, etc. You are not the NAFS(spirit/mind), "you" are the one who is witnessing your thoughts and emotions and you have the ability to ignore them and change them.
I may be having the ability to ignore them but cannot seem to find my ability at the right moments lol
What would happen if you did not fall on the floor crying? Nothing
I have yet to discover it myself wink
But we have to start understanding our different faculties and how they work, that is what these stories are teaching us, once we stop looking for the literal interpretations.
there are so many different interpretations of these stories that people like me gets confused? every religious school of thought in my country have not only their own interpretations about these stories but they have their own standared style and size of beard lol
I have given up on blind faith, i want to know the truth, i want to follow the truth and not myths and beliefs based on assumptions.
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Why the most gracious, the most merciful is not helping?
- HE is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. When HE decrees a thing, HE only says to it `Be,' and it is.
All He has to say is a single word?
Peace,
The translations are misleading.
"Be and it becomes".
The laws of the universe are not broken. The God has put into place a system of laws / physics that must take place. The continents must slide, the earthquakes happen as a consequence.
No one has an anchor implanted firmly in this world. Life is temporary, fleeting. The death of these people may be a mercy, and it is certainly a test, and the God promises that people will be tested.
Do you expect to enter Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were tested with hardship and adversity, and were shaken up, until the messenger and those who believed with him said, "Where is GOD's victory?" GOD's victory is near.
We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.
3310 When they came from above you, and from beneath you, your eyes were terrified, your hearts ran out of patience, and you harbored unbefitting thoughts about GOD.
3311 That is when the believers were truly tested; they were severely shaken up.I hope you can work through it. Many times these sorts of thoughts are an expression of one's own fears.
Peace.
Good post Truth
thanks
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Peace be upon you Agentxxx,
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No, there is no such thing as luck, we reap what we sow. The difference between "strong" and "weak" is TRAINING,most of the time we reap what we sow but not all the times.
can a sparrow punch an eagle knockout by training?I was not referring to animals, only humans have this capability. as a matter of fact , humans train animals, both literally and metaphorically (our emotions must be trained).
surely we humane beings can achieve a lot by traning but mother nature has designed us as unique individuals, we are all different from one another and like a sparrow we all have our own limitations and levels which we can achieve.
I dont know who mother nature is, but the God has designed us all according to God's Fitra(pattern). In regards to our discussion, we ALL have the ability to IGNORE EMOTIONS, right or wrong? If you can do it once, then you can train yourself to do it again. The world verifies this statement everyday, but if you BELIEVE you cant, then you never will. The power of belief is strong, as evidenced by the "double blind" tests in science.
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No, that is not "you", that is your personality that you are wrongly identifying with. You have to cultivate the ability to seperate the real "you" from your thoughts, emotions, etc. You are not the NAFS(spirit/mind), "you" are the one who is witnessing your thoughts and emotions and you have the ability to ignore them and change them.I may be having the ability to ignore them but cannot seem to find my ability at the right moments
Yes, so this is where programming comes in! Have you heard of Pavlovs dogs? Its all about association. Right now, you are programmed to become sad as a RESPONSE to certain STIMULUS. If you visualize the same stimulus and visualize yourself (in the meditation state) responding differntly, long enough, then your response will change.
Havent you given up a habit in your life? When you first stopped the habit, the URGES still came, but you ignored them. After a while, the urges stopped. Right?
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What would happen if you did not fall on the floor crying? NothingI have yet to discover it myself
Respected. Make sure to check out what I am saying though if this is a sincere discussion.
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But we have to start understanding our different faculties and how they work, that is what these stories are teaching us, once we stop looking for the literal interpretations.there are so many different interpretations of these stories that people like me gets confused? every religious school of thought in my country have not only their own interpretations about these stories but they have their own standared style and size of beard
I have given up on blind faith, i want to know the truth, i want to follow the truth and not myths and beliefs based on assumptions.I understand and agree with all my being! This is why I have found the only way to be objective verification. Just like I am asking you to verify these statements I am making. We all experience these things, but many of us are unaware. We can argue all day about subjectivity(hot vs cold), but we MUST agree on objectivity(56 degrees per the thermometer).
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peace idolfree1,
you wroteI dont know who mother nature is, but the God has designed us all according to God's Fitra(pattern). In regards to our discussion, we ALL have the ability to IGNORE EMOTIONS, right or wrong? If you can do it once, then you can train yourself to do it again. The world verifies this statement everyday, but if you BELIEVE you cant, then you never will. The power of belief is strong, as evidenced by the "double blind" tests in science.
well my friend i would not associate some of our designs with God`s fitra or else it will become more confusing for me, i would rather blame mother nature for such designs. i agree with you that we have the ability to ignore emotions, but stonger emotions requires stronger ability for total control and theoretically, yes this could be achieved with experience and practice, but you have to be as determined as a sufi to achieve it and then again everyone cant be that determined.
please tell me about this double blind test?Havent you given up a habit in your life? When you first stopped the habit, the URGES still came, but you ignored them. After a while, the urges stopped. Right
absolutely right buddy.
Respected. Make sure to check out what I am saying though if this is a sincere discussion.
my friend i am extremely thankful to you for you concern and believe me its a serious discussion i am here on this forum to discuss things i cant discuss with any one at home. i may ask all sort of silly questions but you are well prepaired for the answers and that is what i am looking for logical not emotional answers.
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Peace Agentxxx,
You stated
if you are told to dial 911 for help in case of emergency By your parents, by the media, in the school, through billboards and news papers etc, but in case of emergencies you keep on dialing 911 for help and get absolutely no response, it will be normal for you to ask why they are no responding.
I replied
Maybe there was something wrong with the phone?
your last response
i think you forgot to say "every time"
I hope you realize I wasn't being facetious. There is some substance to my response if you'd delve into your 911 analogy.
Peace,
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Peace be upon you Agentxxx,
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I dont know who mother nature is, but the God has designed us all according to God's Fitra(pattern). In regards to our discussion, we ALL have the ability to IGNORE EMOTIONS, right or wrong? If you can do it once, then you can train yourself to do it again. The world verifies this statement everyday, but if you BELIEVE you cant, then you never will. The power of belief is strong, as evidenced by the "double blind" tests in science.well my friend i would not associate some of our designs with God`s fitra or else it will become more confusing for me, i would rather blame mother nature for such designs.
But we are created upon the God's design, according to the teachings claimed to be from the prophets. We have the God's energy(ruh) blown into us. This "ruh" is translated as Spirit, and it is this SPIRit which gives us our first breath "inSPIRation" and our last exhale "exPIRed". In this reading(quran), the root for "ruh" also is root for "breath/wind".
There is a verse that I cannot locate that says we are created upon the God's pattern.
Give me an example of what yuo would blame mother nature for so I can understand further your point.
i agree with you that we have the ability to ignore emotions, but stonger emotions requires stronger ability for total control and theoretically, yes this could be achieved with experience and practice, but you have to be as determined as a sufi to achieve it and then again everyone cant be that determined.
Why cant they? D It might APEAR that they cant, just like it would appear to the sperm trying to make it to the egg that it cantbe done, because it sees all the other sperm around it not making it, but the POTENTIAL is there in all of us because the GOD is the core of our being. You must understand that. The GOD is at the center, the CORE of your being, so why "cant" you? We are not talking about the physical level, we are talking METAPHYSICAL, where the thoughts reside. It is easier to "work out" at this level, so why "cant" we? We are our greatest enemies when our thoughts are not based on reality. We CAN brother D
Verify it for yourself. D
please tell me about this double blind test?
I mention the "bouble blind" test to show how what we THINK/BELIEVE has power to effect the physical world, the outcome of events. Scientists, when they test drugs, they have two samples, one is the real thing and the other is a fake, so neither peron knows if they have the real or fake one. The question is WHY do they do this in science? It is because the thoughts effect the outcome of the experiment. If someone thinks they have the real thing, they might improve in thier condition even though they have the fake.
This is a well known process and I invite you to "google" it and get more info to see what I am saying and the implications his has on the power of THOUGHT, especially BELIEF, whic is thought with e-motion behind it.
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Havent you given up a habit in your life? When you first stopped the habit, the URGES still came, but you ignored them. After a while, the urges stopped. Rightabsolutely right buddy.
Verifyable in your life right? D Thats what we have to do, bring this understanding home to our own daily experiences D
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Respected. Make sure to check out what I am saying though if this is a sincere discussion.my friend i am extremely thankful to you for you concern and believe me its a serious discussion i am here on this forum to discuss things i cant discuss with any one at home. i may ask all sort of silly questions but you are well prepaired for the answers and that is what i am looking for logical not emotional answers.
Dont worry about silly questions, but please have patience with me, I am working on myself as well, right along with everyone, so my emotions slip from time to time, so be patient with me if I slip temporarily. Please remind me if you witness my slip.
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peace idolfree1,
you wroteBut we are created upon the God's design, according to the teachings claimed to be from the prophets. We have the God's energy(ruh) blown into us. This "ruh" is translated as Spirit, and it is this SPIRit which gives us our first breath "inSPIRation" and our last exhale "exPIRed". In this reading(quran), the root for "ruh" also is root for "breath/wind".
you said in the other thread that this energy comes from earth?
We are our greatest enemies when our thoughts are not based on reality.
true and this is the reason why i want my thought to be based on reality rather then blind faith or assumptions ) .
I mention the "bouble blind" test to show how what we THINK/BELIEVE has power to effect the physical world, the outcome of events. Scientists, when they test drugs, they have two samples, one is the real thing and the other is a fake, so neither peron knows if they have the real or fake one. The question is WHY do they do this in science? It is because the thoughts effect the outcome of the experiment. If someone thinks they have the real thing, they might improve in thier condition even though they have the fake.
i saw a program on this topic on discovery channel some months back, it was and interesting program, they tested people by giving them Alcoholic drinks for about a week and tested their behavior as well as chemical activity that took place in their bodies and then they gave them non alcoholic drinks of which they didnot knew and tested them, because they believed they took alcohol, their behaviour and the chemical changes that took place were more or less the same when they were actually taking alcohol.
Dont worry about silly questions, but please have patience with me, I am working on myself as well, right along with everyone, so my emotions slip from time to time, so be patient with me if I slip temporarily. Please remind me if you witness my slip.
I will and i request you the same lol
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Peace be upon yuo Agentxxx,
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But we are created upon the God's design, according to the teachings claimed to be from the prophets. We have the God's energy(ruh) blown into us. This "ruh" is translated as Spirit, and it is this SPIRit which gives us our first breath "inSPIRation" and our last exhale "exPIRed". In this reading(quran), the root for "ruh" also is root for "breath/wind".you said in the other thread that this energy comes from earth?
You have to refresh my memory about what I said. If you are refering to the animal spirit, then it is the level where this energy manifests as emotions.
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peace all,
almost two months have passed since the quake and things have gone from worst to miserable, the winters have brought new problems for the people of the nothern areas who are living in tents since the quake. the heavy snowfall and temperature below the freezing point is making the relief efforts more and more difficult.
I pray to the Almighty for his mercy, I hope he gives them strength to cope with the new situation that they face now.
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Allah is sustaining the Universe. Who else is then? We can't say he is not doing anything. What ever good happen to us is from Allah because its through his creation which we a getting all the benefits. And what ever bad is from us, as Allah says in the Quran. Death is not a bad thing...do not think like that.
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I saw an interesting story today on TV...
Lottery Winner Helps Heal His Homeland
Dec. 6, 2005 ? Ihsan Khan worked for years as a taxi driver in Washington, D.C. Sometimes he drove for 15 hours a day, seven days a week. At times, he slept in the cab.
One fortuitous day, Khan stopped at a gas station and bought a Powerball ticket. His dispatcher came across the intercom one morning and told all the drivers that he had heard a winning ticket had been sold.
"I announced that the winning ticket was sold at the Exxon in Georgetown and (Khan) came on the radio and said 'Oh that's where I play. I'll have to check my numbers,'" dispatcher George Moore said.
Sure enough, Khan had won $35 million.
"I cried a little bit and got emotional and said this is incredible," he said. "This is something."
What is even more incredible is what Khan did with the money. He used it to come to the aid of his native country, Pakistan, which had recently been ravaged by a devastating earthquake.
He supplied construction materials, tents, and almost $200,000 for medicine.
"Just keep helping your own people," Khan said. "Forget about money."
He's become outspoken against the government corruption he says has prevented the money from getting to those in need.
"The money is there, all we need is good people just simply to do what is right," Khan said.
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Peace be upon you,
Excellent story, takes exalted character to do that.
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peace bmbmm,
you wroteWhat ever good happen to us is from Allah because its through his creation which we a getting all the benefits.
Agreed
And what ever bad is from us, as Allah says in the Quran. Death is not a bad thing...do not think like that.
are natural desasters caused by us and not the result of Gods creation?
death may not be a bad thing for cancer/aids patients or very old people who are dependent on others for every basic needs of theirs, but it certainly is not a happy thing for small kids and young people.
if death is not a bad thing why does God commands us to save lifes? why do we spend billions in health care and research?
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Hello
I understand according to the following verse that Allah may chhoose to punish or destroy any village before the judgment day, at least He told us that He will do as such, why? this is up to Him I guess
"And there is not a town but We will destroy it before the day of resurrection or chastise it with a severe chastisement; this is written in the Divine ordinance."
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Now I'm sure that not all the people of any Village are bad, there must be a few who were true believers, conseuqently I believe their test has been terminated and hopfully they will pass with the will of Allah
Allah knows best
Peace
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peace Ahmed,
you wroteI understand according to the following verse that Allah may chhoose to punish or destroy any village before the judgment day, at least He told us that He will do as such, why? this is up to Him I guess
"And there is not a town but We will destroy it before the day of resurrection or chastise it with a severe chastisement; this is written in the Divine ordinance."
Now I'm sure that not all the people of any Village are bad, there must be a few who were true believers, conseuqently I believe their test has been terminated and hopfully they will pass with the will of Allah
1758-There is not a population but We shall destroy it before the Day of Judgment or punish it with a dreadful Penalty that is written in the (eternal) Record. Yusuf Ali
1758-There is not a township but We shall destroy it ere the Day of Resurrection, or punish it with dire punishment. That is set forth in the Book (of Our decrees).Pickthall
Wa ma_ mana'ana_ an nursila bil a_ya_ti illa_ an kazzaba bihal awwalu_n(a), wa a_taina_ samu_dan na_qata mubsiratan fazalamu_ biha_, wa ma_ nursilu bil a_ya_ti illa_ takhwifa_(n).
I think this fall into the Category of allegorical verses and can be explained in several different ways. the people who died in the earth quake were not killed because they were non believers, the were killed because unfortunately they lived near the epic centre, we were spaired not because we are the true believers but because fortunately we lived far from the epic centre.peace.
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salam all
For what its worth me and my family sent money for the earth quake victims and supplies were bought with that money and sent, but on the way before these supplies even reached their destination the trucks were robbed by men at gun point.
Our families are from Rawalpindi.
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peace Ahmed,
you wroteI understand according to the following verse that Allah may chhoose to punish or destroy any village before the judgment day, at least He told us that He will do as such, why? this is up to Him I guess
"And there is not a town but We will destroy it before the day of resurrection or chastise it with a severe chastisement; this is written in the Divine ordinance."
Now I'm sure that not all the people of any Village are bad, there must be a few who were true believers, conseuqently I believe their test has been terminated and hopfully they will pass with the will of Allah
1758-There is not a population but We shall destroy it before the Day of Judgment or punish it with a dreadful Penalty that is written in the (eternal) Record. Yusuf Ali
1758-There is not a township but We shall destroy it ere the Day of Resurrection, or punish it with dire punishment. That is set forth in the Book (of Our decrees).Pickthall
Wa ma_ mana'ana_ an nursila bil a_ya_ti illa_ an kazzaba bihal awwalu_n(a), wa a_taina_ samu_dan na_qata mubsiratan fazalamu_ biha_, wa ma_ nursilu bil a_ya_ti illa_ takhwifa_(n).
I think this fall into the Category of allegorical verses and can be explained in several different ways. the people who died in the earth quake were not killed because they were non believers, the were killed because unfortunately they lived near the epic centre, we were spaired not because we are the true believers but because fortunately we lived far from the epic centre.peace.
why not bro
of course it can be understood that way
peace be with you