Meaning of secular government
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I very well understand English. Thank u for ur concern. But if I didnt get what u tried to say, Then could it be that u didnt explain well enough in English?
Maybe. The fact that you conveniently overlooked the verses from the book you claim to believe in didn't go amiss either.
So, people who work on facts, by data collection and analysis, on what speed should be permitted for motor vehicles on roads, to bring about safety, are doing guess work and are groping in the dark since such stuff isnt mentioned in Quran?
Indeed. Anything outside al-quraan isn't al-haqq or absolute truth. It could be provisional truth, but never ultimate truth. That's the beauty of al-quraan, its unmatchable.
Secularism exsists becoz of rational thinking and the use of common sense and brains. Laws change with time, becoz the focus is not on the laws but on the results. We change laws into more effective ones when our knowledge and understanding on the subject improves, inorder to bring about better results
Yes, VERY rational. Tonight, go out and stand near a pub round about midnight or so. You will see the 'rationality' of secularism when the binge drinkers kick your head in. Don't you understand yet ? Laws other than the laws of Allah will not gurantee long-term benefit for humanity. Is this so difficult for you to accept?
If u want humans to be static instead of growing, would u propose using camels for transport instead of cars? Coz cars came as a resultant of changes and increase in knowledge, the idea of which u seem to be unconfortable with.
As usual, utterly irrelevant. No one is talking about technological changes. Im talking about the absolute position of al-hukm, God's laws. God didnt tell you to ride camels till the end of time. He DID tell you to establish His Laws but conveniently, you miss this point over and over.
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Hi Jaxal,
SaLaM PM
No. I have never said that i 'heard' it from people. PM do you think i would beleive something like on hear say? I have seen it with my own eyes. letters addded. words added. I did point you toward a thread. Did you have a read through it?
A few pages, I did.
What do u mean by u have seen change? could it be that the changed quran is not the one thats being followed all over?
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In the thread, there is a link posted by me. The link shows you pictures of the verses of the Quran and where the additions have taken place. The Quran shown is older and is compared to later publication. If i can publish a Quran with words changed, what kind of a protection is that? But do you really think God is talking about protecting a 10 buck book? or the actual message?
What do u mean by u have seen change?
I mean i have seen the difference between the same verse in two different Quran where words or letters were added.
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Where would you exile them to. Maybe middle east or Afghanistan I think it is quite common there - read the Bookseller of Kabul.
Khi- Salam. Yes maybe. Any place away from the civilization of believers. GOD Bless!
The above was meant to show those often obsessed with particular moral issues are often the worst offenders. Your and my idea of civilisation differ quite markedly. How people conduct their sexuality for me is their own business.
Effect of bigotry and prejudices can be devastating and in no way are civilised.Its actually 'pot calling the kettle black'. If you like, we can discuss using a question and answer format. You ask one then I ask one. I always thought that was fairer.
You are correct on the quote.
Ok lets give it a try it cant be any worst than what we have tried before.I have not read the particular book but now no doubt i will try.
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I have not read the particular book but now no doubt i will try.
What, the Kite Runner? Save it for a quiet evening, if you please. You'll thank me later.
You are correct on the quote.
Ok lets give it a try it cant be any worst than what we have tried before.My first question
Do you believe al-quraan is from Allah and eternally applicable for the human being?
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Namaste Khizar,
Khi- Salam. Excuse me. I am allowed to state my opinion regarding homos. I dont beat them up or so physically but i see them as criminals personally and i have reasons for that which ive stated over and over again. I dont want any limb chopping. Id prefer a law which would order the EXILE of homos. Plain and simple. GOD Bless!
Yes you can state your opinion of course. But we can all state our opinions without being derogatory, yes?
Shanti
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SaLaM idmkhizar
The existance of warsh and hafs is the evidence of how Quran has been changed and altered. Dont you see that?
Khi- Salam. Warsh and Hafs are MUSHAFS NOT Quran. Quran is what resides inside the mathemetical system. You should have read my article more carefully. The mathetical code-19 has been applied and is still being applied to different manuscripts to filter out these scribal errors. Thats what bros Edip, Bahman, Asad, myself and many others are doing here by the Will of GOD. Also note that while there are differences in some letters and grammatical forms those do not change the overall meaning in any way. GOD Bless!
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Yes you can state your opinion of course. But we can all state our opinions without being derogatory, yes?
Shanti
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Khi- Salam. Look i see homos as criminals and i explained thoroughly as to why. If i see somebody doing severe wrong it is logical that i use some harsh terms as well. GOD Bless!
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In the thread, there is a link posted by me. The link shows you pictures of the verses of the Quran and where the additions have taken place. The Quran shown is older and is compared to later publication. If i can publish a Quran with words changed, what kind of a protection is that? But do you really think God is talking about protecting a 10 buck book? or the actual message?
Khi- Salam. Exactly my point. The Quran is NOT the ink and paper. I suggest you also view the debate btw RK and Abdurrehman Saleh "The Great Debate" nos 20&21 at
http//www.submissiontv.com
Pay particular attention when RK says "THIS(Mushaf/Manuscript) IS JUST INK AND PAPER. YOU CAN MESS IT UP AND DO ANYTHING YOU WANT WITH IT....". The whole debate is very interesting. I hope ull enjoy. GOD Bless! -
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Do you believe al-quraan is from Allah and eternally applicable for the human being?
Yes.
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Do you believe al-quraan is from Allah and eternally applicable for the human being?Yes.
It will be probably appropriate for you to ask follow up question to above.
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. Warsh and Hafs are MUSHAFS NOT Quran. Quran is what resides inside the mathemetical system.
Brother i dont beleive in the code 19. No offense brother but i think its bs. AS for warsh and hafs, tell me something, do you believe, this is how the quran came down?? Did God give 2 different books? one for warsh and one for hafs?
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. Warsh and Hafs are MUSHAFS NOT Quran. Quran is what resides inside the mathemetical system.
Brother i dont beleive in the code 19. No offense brother but i think its bs. AS for warsh and hafs, tell me something, do you believe, this is how the quran came down?? Did God give 2 different books? one for warsh and one for hafs?
Khi- Salam. Ur calling GOD's signs BS? Did you thoroughly study the mathematical miracle? Did you listen to the debate btw RK and AS at the link i posted above? If not please do so. And to answer the rest of your questions no i dont believe GOD sent two books. He sent ONLY ONE MATHEMATICALLY CODED BOOK i.e. QURAN. Hafs and Warsh are nothing but manuscripts written down by people or as others say ways of pronouncing the words in Quran by people. Neither make it Quran though. GOD Bless!
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It will be probably appropriate for you to ask follow up question to above.
Fine. You're free to ask me anything at any point though.
2nd question If the book is applicable eternally as you say, why do you prefer an alternative methodology to achieving its aims ?
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Did you thoroughly study the mathematical miracle?
I didnt mean no offense to you.
Khi- Salam. Heh? I did mean no offense to you either. All im asking is that you please study it thoroughly or youd risk missing something awesome and may get punished by GOD for rejecting. GOD Bless!
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2nd question If the book is applicable eternally as you say, why do you prefer an alternative methodology to achieving its aims ?
Please elaborate. Exactly which aims of the Quran are you referring to.
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SaLam idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. Heh? I did mean no offense to you either. All im asking is that you please study it thoroughly or youd risk missing something awesome and may get punished by GOD for rejecting. GOD Bless!
No brother i wont be punished by God for not beleive in code 19. No one will. Code 19 has nothing of importance. South Park is of more importance than code 19.