Meaning of secular government

jonny_k

SaLaM idmkhiza

You tell me how code 19 is important for my salvation.

Khi- Salam. You dont yet follow all rules and regulations in Quran because you think it's changed. Thus you require code-19 to prove to you that it has not been and follow all of it and not in part. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Hi all,

It appears to me, there is more idolising of the Quran .

Quran is a message/guidance from Allah conveying that there is only one God and man should not foolishly waste on worshipping silly elements as Gods.
Quran is a message where Allah is telling mankind to live a righteous life, and to be respectful of all, to be humble, to be patient, to be just, to be kind, to observe charity, to observe moderation, to be kind and forgiving, etc...
Allah is conveying to man that man is accountable for his every action on the day of Judgement.

Now, what do people take from the book?
Mathematical miracles
Arabic language miracles etc

I think the miracle of Quran lies in its message. The ultimate truth that God is one.
God's signs are everywhere around us. God doesnt have to do magic with numbers or language to make a point to human beings.

No offence meant to anyone.
Its just my view and understanding.

Peace!

Khi- Salam. I do not argue that the message in the Quran is, superb id say rather thsan miraculous but in this age people want more than just messages so GOD gave it to us in the form of a mathematical miracle and we would be unappreciative if we reject that or dont bother about it. GOD Bless!

stillearning

salaam all

Sorry can we go back to the topic-I think we can discuss RK and code 19 st elsewhere.

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So what do you do when those who claim to have studied the Quran disagree with each others interpertation?

Sigh....here we go again.

Please show me where this situation is in al-quraan.

Is the above so hard to understand. It was not a quote from the Quran but a very simple statement that if we all agree to run a country according to the Quran(let us assume for a minute that all the laws are present in the Quran) what happen when people differ in their interpertation of what thhe Quran says.
How do we resolve this difference?

Regards

mquran

Is the above so hard to understand. It was not a quote from the Quran but a very simple statement that if we all agree to run a country according to the Quran(let us assume for a minute that all the laws are present in the Quran) what happen when people differ in their interpertation of what thhe Quran says.
How do we resolve this difference?

Your remark presupposed one thing that the implementation of its laws is a DEMOCRATIC. It's not. Its in the hands of a single leader who may have a consultative council. HIS interpretation is what counts.

mquran

Quran is a message/guidance from Allah conveying that there is only one God and man should not foolishly waste on worshipping silly elements as Gods.
Quran is a message where Allah is telling mankind to live a righteous life, and to be respectful of all, to be humble, to be patient, to be just, to be kind, to observe charity, to observe moderation, to be kind and forgiving, etc...
Allah is conveying to man that man is accountable for his every action on the day of Judgement.

Great. So why is the Quran not one short passage like your words above ?

Please dont presume to speak for Allah and then twist his message to suit your whims.

Be respectful to ALL, you say ? I find it very strange that you MISREPRESENT the Quran in this way. People with Muhammad are said to be ASHIDDU ALAL KUFFAR ...intense against the kuffar (48/29). This is not some turn the other cheek ideology, sorry.

stillearning

salaam

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Is the above so hard to understand. It was not a quote from the Quran but a very simple statement that if we all agree to run a country according to the Quran(let us assume for a minute that all the laws are present in the Quran) what happen when people differ in their interpertation of what thhe Quran says.
How do we resolve this difference?

Your remark presupposed one thing that the implementation of its laws is a DEMOCRATIC. It's not. Its in the hands of a single leader who may have a consultative council. HIS interpretation is what counts.

I said no such thing about democracy or any system-simply how you resolve different interpertations
Ok let us go with your interpertation.
Humanity needs to go so who is the leader to form the consultative council

Jaxal

SaLaM stillearning

Humanity needs to go so who is the leader to form the consultative council

A crucial question, isnt it? Perhaps superman? looooll

unknownuser

Hi all,

Quran is a message/guidance from Allah conveying that there is only one God and man should not foolishly waste on worshipping silly elements as Gods.
Quran is a message where Allah is telling mankind to live a righteous life, and to be respectful of all, to be humble, to be patient, to be just, to be kind, to observe charity, to observe moderation, to be kind and forgiving, etc...
Allah is conveying to man that man is accountable for his every action on the day of Judgement.

Great. So why is the Quran not one short passage like your words above ?
Please dont presume to speak for Allah and then twist his message to suit your whims.Be respectful to ALL, you say ?
I find it very strange that you MISREPRESENT the Quran in this way. People with Muhammad are said to be ASHIDDU ALAL KUFFAR ...intense against the kuffar (48/29). This is not some turn the other cheek ideology, sorry. .

Do any others also believe, that What I understand(as I quoted my words above), is not the message of Quran?

mquran

Humanity needs to go so who is the leader to form the consultative council

The leader is ar-rasool, the one who takes the decisions if he choose to consult. He is a person who has imbibed al-kitaab and practises it closely, facilitates growth and gives information of al-kitaab al-hikmah (3/164).

mquran

Do any others also believe, that What I understand(as I quoted my words above), is not the message of Quran?

PM, don't you get it yet? It's not about what ANYONE thinks (including me). Its about what al-quraan says. The words are as clear as day. The only thing now is how submissive we are to Allah.

stillearning

salaam

The leader is ar-rasool, the one who takes the decisions if he choose to consult. He is a person who has imbibed al-kitaab and practises it closely, facilitates growth and gives information of al-kitaab al-hikmah (3/164).

I am with you all the way

As the world needs rules to function and the ar-rasool will take decisions regarding rules. Who is this ar-rasool whose decisons I should follow.

regards

mquran

As the world needs rules to function and the ar-rasool will take decisions regarding rules. Who is this ar-rasool whose decisons I should follow.

I don't know. I have never met him. Keep asking Allah, though and never fail in your du'a.

stillearning

salaam

mquran you stated

The leader is ar-rasool, the one who takes the decisions if he choose to consult
.

and then

I don't know. I have never met him. Keep asking Allah, though and never fail in your du'a.

Does this not create problem as we run any state or society or do you believe in anarchy.

mquran

Does the fact that I've never met ar-rasool change the veracity of my statement ? Shouldn't my statement be compared against the criterion, of which you claim to subscribe?

Does this not create problem as we run any state or society or do you believe in anarchy

Questions to clarify

Who is 'we' ?
How does this create a problem in our current situation? I.e I'm in living in a nation state.

Jaxal

SaLaM stillearning

mquran you stated

The leader is ar-rasool, the one who takes the decisions if he choose to consult
.

and then

I don't know. I have never met him. Keep asking Allah, though and never fail in your du'a.

Does this not create problem as we run any state or society or do you believe in anarchy.

stillearning... i think its superman. Or perhaps spiderman? or how about batman? he has a cool car

unknownuser

Does this not create problem as we run any state or society or do you believe in anarchy.

Here is more wisdom from people who get "HIGHS" from conceptual adventure in the scritpure wink

i agree that democracy is not right .
but how about a "democratic theocracy" ? .
because ppl will have different understandings of the koran . so who will decide which understanding to follow ?

The person who has carved out a domain of power will decide. Of course, he can accept or reject advice from others. If others reject him, they are also free to leave.

I think superman, spiderman and batman would have stood up for democratic values pehaps - I don't see any of them in a dictator role do you? wink

Regards,

mquran

I think superman, spiderman and batman would have stood up for democratic values pehaps - I don't see any of them in a dictator role do you?

How a person with exquisite taste in books and art can co-exist with an utterly gullible naivete in one body astounds me. But you have pulled it off, Robespierre, prince of peace.

p/s did Super, Spider or Batman have an election to see if they can exercise power?

Jaxal

SaLaM LT

I don't see any of them in a dictator role do you?

Maybe for the green goblet LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL rotfl rotfl rotfl

unknownuser

How a person with exquisite taste in books and art...

I think you have flatered me enough chap. Any more flattery from you would make me want to believe in things spoken in forked tongues...

Regards,

mquran

I think you have flatered me enough chap. Any more flattery from you would make me want to believe in things spoken in forked tongues...

Robespierre, no one asked you to cut in half my post. I said co-exist with an utterly gullible naivete too and i've been asking you to furnish the details of hermeneutics for some time now. So no, no one's trying to flatter you. You only choose to hear what sounds good.