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    unknownuser
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    Peace be upon you,

    I wanted to add, this is also why one must lock thier eyes on thier nose or at the point betwen the eyes because eye movement creates thoughts. We can see this in sleeping, when we dream, the eyes move following the thoughts/images, when we dont dream, the eyes are locked, and it is this time when we go back to the SOURCE to be rejuvinated.

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      Salam Idolfree,

      i know that breathing deeply helps us relax, but

      dont chewing and breathing ultimately lead to the same thing, more energy to your brain?

      Also, i'm having some trouble breathing with my lower abdomen. and my posture.
      and again about chewing, it doesnt have to be food, it can be anything. And i read something about how to meditate while chewing(with steps and everything), but again, saying im a novice at meditation is an understatement, so help me out. Also, when i asked my friend at school if he meditated, he goes "no... i masturbate." D

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        Peace be upon you Pheonix

        i know that breathing deeply helps us relax, but

        dont chewing and breathing ultimately lead to the same thing, more energy to your brain?

        I dont know what chewing gum does, but according to what yuo stated before, you said it helps you to think. What we are trying to do is to remove all thoughts. So chewing gum would give us the opposite effect of what we are looking for. It is our own thoughts that block out the God's "voice".

        Also, i'm having some trouble breathing with my lower abdomen. and my posture.

        I can recommend the book "Tree of Life meditation" by Ra Un Nefer Amen

        and again about chewing, it doesnt have to be food, it can be anything. And i read something about how to meditate while chewing(with steps and everything), but again, saying im a novice at meditation is an understatement, so help me out. Also, when i asked my friend at school if he meditated, he goes "no... i masturbate."

        Well tell him he is wasting a lot of "life force" (ruh) by masturbating.

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          salam

          about chewing, what i meant was that it gives your brain energy and that would mean a better ability to think, or concentrate or whatever. But whatever it is, it should be good for meditation because breathing is good too.

          and what is "life force?"

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            Peace be upon you Pheonix1,

            about chewing, what i meant was that it gives your brain energy and that would mean a better ability to think, or concentrate or whatever.

            Well first thing I guess would be to figure out what it does (think, concentrate, or whatever). We have to nail it down in order to work though it. If it is about thining then no, we are trying to STILL our thoughts in order to "hear" the God.

            But whatever it is, it should be good for meditation because breathing is good too.

            Breathing is good because it can be proven objectively. Until you are certain about what chewing gum does, I wouldnt say it "should be".

            and what is "life force?"

            Life Force is the Divine Energy that underlies all material exsistence. It is the difference between a dead body and a live body. It is what this reading(quran) refers to as "ruh", what chinese refer to as "chi", Hindus "prana", and what the Holy Spirit of the Bible is supposed to refer to. It expresses itself as EMOTIONS (energy in motion).

            There is a whole science of acupuncture that deals with manipulating this energy, as well as Chi Gong and Tai Chi, etc.

            When we avoid anger, sadness, fear and all other incorrect expressions of this energy, it is the vehicle that puts us in the right place at the right time and brings things to us that we need. But we have to be at PEACE/NON EMOTIONAL for this to work. This is what SOLOMON helps us to understand (Solomon comes form the same root as PEACE S-L-M)

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              Peace idolfree1,

              Life Force is the Divine Energy that underlies all material exsistence. It is the difference between a dead body and a live body. It is what this reading(quran) refers to as "ruh", what chinese refer to as "chi", Hindus "prana", and what the Holy Spirit of the Bible is supposed to refer to. It expresses itself as EMOTIONS (energy in motion).

              Do animals have a "ruh"? because they are living creatures, and going by your definition they should "possess" a "ruh", while in the scripture only humans have a "ruh" given by the god.

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                Peace be upon you Someone,

                Do animals have a "ruh"?

                "ruh" just means energy. It is that which animates, which is where animals got thier description.

                because they are living creatures, and going by your definition they should "possess" a "ruh",

                The way you are wording it, I am wondering if you are refering to the nafs(spirit).

                while in the scripture only humans have a "ruh" given by the god.

                Where does it say that?

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                  Peace idolfree1,

                  Nowhere in the scripture does it say that only humans have a "ruh".

                  My definition for a "ruh" for now is

                  ruh = humans - animals, it is what differentiate humans from animals.

                  what do you think?

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                    phoenix1
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                    Salam someone, there is someone on this forum that shares your view. check out the "created from mud" thread in the science section (last page by the way).

                    As for me, im still confused as to what ruh is. If what your saying is true, idolfree, then isnt it also true that we get energy to live and move through the food we eat? is food what gives existence to the ruh?

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                      Peace be upon you Someone,

                      I wouldnt put it that way. The "ruh" is just energy. Animals have energy too. So do plants and even minerals.

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                        i know what i said was stupid, but i cant understand what you mean by "energy." can you give me one last chance and explain it?

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                          unknownuser
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                          Peace be upon you Pheonix1,

                          As for me, im still confused as to what ruh is. If what your saying is true, idolfree, then isnt it also true that we get energy to live and move through the food we eat?

                          Absolutely!! We get it from eating food, breathing air, etc.

                          is food what gives existence to the ruh?

                          No, the energy in the food is "ruh". The "ruh" is what moves things.

                          The ancient Kemau called it "Ra", but foolish egyptologists say it means "sun god", NO NO NO! They could not understand the teachings. It refers to the solar energy (tears of the sun) from which all things eminate, and why many cultures did indeed wrongly worship the sun.

                          "Qi(chi) is the word which encompasses the meaning of all vital activities and substances in the human body. It is a the "Life Force" of all living things as well as representative of all energy within the universe. It is a word which is not fully understood by the Western mind and therefore it is not always accepted as existing. However, more importantly than dwelling on its definition, it is important to understand Qi through its function, as Qi is the foundation of Oriental Medicine."

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                            phoenix1
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                            peace , idolfree1
                            so wouldnt it be true that the more food you eat, the more chi you would have. if not, how does the "chi level" go up?

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                              Peace be upon you,

                              so wouldnt it be true that the more food you eat, the more chi you would have. if not, how does the "chi level" go up?

                              The chinese have developed a system called Qi Gong(life force cultivation) which you can do to raise the levels. There is a medical instrument called an "E.M.I." (electronic meridian imaging) that can measure your chi level.

                              Most importantly, you must reamin at PEACE, when you become emotional (sad, fearful, angry, etc), you waste your chi, as well as when you orgasm, so we should be chaste and not be excessive even with our spouses. When we conserve our chi, it will be the FORCE that goes out and brings to you the people and things you need to succeed in life.

                              May the FORCE be with you wink

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                                Rhadamanthus
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                                Someone who was still a fool contributed this

                                Mind is like bubbles in the river or a fish struggling to get air on the dry ground, or a monkey that jumps from one tree to another, or a sleazy politician trying to persuade you to vote for him or trust him, or a magician's trick that awed you, the lightning strike on the dark night...

                                It is empty really, even self-less. It is only a process of becoming and dis-becoming, endlessly grasping and searching.
                                Meditation is to quiet mind, to make us able to analyze it more clearly, educating our soul about the nature of its persuasion and lies. Once, it had passed and our soul become more educated, the mind which was poison turned into our ally (the key to enlightment)!

                                Like mallable metal that once was sword and now turned into a hoe useful for daily life, mind can be trained once we diligently educated our soul.
                                Once the mind is our ally, the wisdom will come. That is the Path of God spoken in various scriptures, the all-natural and spontaneous state of possible enlightment through meditation and prayers.

                                Salam,

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Someone who was still a fool contributed this

                                  Come now Rhadamanthus I see you have this self-depreciating way of contributing things. Please there is no need for self-abasement here -)

                                  Humility is good but self-depreciation is bad - let go of this attachement to this kind of "guilt" trap and stand up as a dignified if somewhat humble human being wink

                                  Regards,

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                                    idontknow
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                                    peace idolfree1,

                                    so being emotional and having orgasms can wastes our chi.........do you know any other ways?

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                                      Peace be upon you idontknow,

                                      I am not sure what else wastes "ruh" (chi). I will research to see what else I can find.

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