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    Jaxal
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    SaLaM Bmbmm and all

    So if evolution is fake, tell us how we all came to be.

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      bmbmm
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      Peace Jaxal,

      The fact is...we are here and according to science we are not here because of evolution, because evolution is not science as they tell you.
      Though this do not stop us to research how we come to exist. As a matter fact we are here and deep inside we know that Allah created us.

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        Jaxal
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        SaLaM bmbmm

        I am all for the 'becoz God says so'. But even we have to have some idea how we came to being? i mean, what was it? God snapped his finger and BAM! adam is on earth making babies with eve? Was that all eve was? a baby making machine? loooll serious im not trying be hysterical but if we all came from adam and eve then i feel bad for eve. How many babies do you think eve pushed out for it to be enough to start a population? bmbmm you are a scientiest and as a scientist you look at proof and evidence. Neither of has any, but lets hear a theory from you. What, in your opinion, happened once adam and eve came down to earth.

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          nadeem
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          Hi everyone,

          Is it really that hard to understand that any given entity is the outcome of its surroundings?

          Nadeem.

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            bmbmm
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            Peace Jaxal,

            I do not know, I do not know whether adam and eve look like me and you. And yes I am a scientist and this is a historic issue so ask a historian. If evolutionist keep on suggesting that my grand-dad was a monkey without scientific evidence, I am afraid I have to shut them up.

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              Jaxal
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              SaLaM bmbmm

              Well i can see why it would offend you. But this is not about your ancestors or mine or the girl next door. Its about the human race and how it evolved. Perhaps before we evolved from apes, we were something else. I suppose you dont believe in cavemen either? Bunch of guys running around half naked and eating raw meat until they discovered fire. Then again maybe our ancestors werent cavemen either. Maybe we were always they way we are now, since the time adam and eve came to earth. Right?

              It had to start somwhere. We didnt just came into existance one day. Neither did we always live like the way we used to. Evolution makes sense. We were nothing. Then we evolved into what we are today. And this probably took millions of years. How old do you think the earth is? 4 billion years old and even that is a nearest guess. Just 2000 years ago people were crussifed. Just 1400 years hands were chopped off. just 200 or so years ago blacks were treated as slaves. But now, we have evolved above from all that. Maybe not all but you get the picture.

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                bmbmm
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                Hi Jaxal,

                But were is the evidence for evolution?

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                  Jaxal
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                  SaLaM bmbmm

                  What evidence are you looking for?

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                    Andya_Primanda
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                    Hi Jaxal,

                    But were is the evidence for evolution?

                    For starters, I recommend the domestic chicken, the breeds of dogs, the various incarnations of cabbage (cabbage, cauliflower, brussels sprouts), and lots more cultivated plants and domestic animals.

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                      bmbmm
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                      Question to evolutionist.

                      Message goes from DNA>RNA>mRNA>Protein. Now through millions of years of evolution, such as fish turning into lizard, how is it possible that the fish-DNA is reprogrammed to a Lizard-like creature? In Science going from Protein>mRNA>RNA>DNA is impossible! If this is the case than how this Lizard gona breed? Even if it breeds, will its breed fish or lizards? If it breeds lizards than how it managed to alter the DNA of its offsprings?

                      One should not confuse adaptation with evolution. Adaptation is just turning on/off the transcription of gene according to the enviornment. The basic genetic information the DNA stay the same, unless it is mutated by chemicals, radiation etc...

                      Peace.

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                        Question to evolutionist.

                        Message goes from DNA>RNA>mRNA>Protein. Now through millions of years of evolution, such as fish turning into lizard, how is it possible that the fish-DNA is reprogrammed to a Lizard-like creature? In Science going from Protein>mRNA>RNA>DNA is impossible! If this is the case than how this Lizard gona breed? Even if it breeds, will its breed fish or lizards? If it breeds lizards than how it managed to alter the DNA of its offsprings?

                        One should not confuse adaptation with evolution. Adaptation is just turning on/off the transcription of gene according to the enviornment. The basic genetic information the DNA stay the same, unless it is mutated by chemicals, radiation etc...

                        Peace.

                        Um, you answered your question yourself. The ultimate source of variation is mutation, and mutation is something that happens naturally all he time. This is why we are not copies of each other each of us carry a mutation that creates small variations in our bodies.

                        Do you know that the scenario of fish-tetrapod evolution has good fossil backup? Look for info on Acanthostega and Ichtyostega. These two are ancient fish that has feet. Likely to be the link between fish and tetrapods

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                          bmbmm
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                          Hi,

                          Mutations leads to errors and diseases. If I have a mutation which ultimately give rise to the development of another nose, how would that be passed on to my next child? If it doesn't then it is not evolution. Perhaps give me an example were a mutation(s) has given rise to a better change through evolution?

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                            Hi,

                            Mutations leads to errors and diseases. If I have a mutation which ultimately give rise to the development of another nose, how would that be passed on to my next child? If it doesn't then it is not evolution. Perhaps give me an example were a mutation(s) has given rise to a better change through evolution?

                            Mutations is neither good or bad. It is only good if it allows the species to survive in the environment. It is bad when it does not.

                            As for passing your mutated extra nose? Sickel Cell Anaemia, Thalacyma etc...these are passed on to the offspring either in a dormant or active form depending on the circumstances of the parents DNA...

                            Regards,

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                              bmbmm
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                              Peace to all.

                              Were is the evidence? How is the surrounding information target to our genetic make-up, and those of our new borns? Were is the change as according to evolution occur?

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                                Jaxal
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                                SaLaM bmbmm

                                Again, i give an example of the blacks and europeans. Blacks have a higher resistance to UV light. This is becoz of the countries they live in.

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                                  bmbmm
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                                  Hi,

                                  Evolution can only be possible if the genetic informaiton in us change for good + this change of genetic information could be propagated or passed on to the next generation. If this is true then I will agree with the evolutionist.

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                                    Hi,

                                    Evolution can only be possible if the genetic informaiton in us change for good + this change of genetic information could be propagated or passed on to the next generation. If this is true then I will agree with the evolutionist.

                                    But as I said before mutations are neither good or bad. It is only good if it allows the species to survive. It is bad when it does not.

                                    So having a dark skin has some survival value in a hot country, it shields the organism from harmful radiation but no value to a an organism in a cold climate.

                                    Regards,

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                                      bmbmm
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                                      But this has got nothing to do with evolution. This dark skin is a gene product.

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                                        But this has got nothing to do with evolution. This dark skin is a gene product.

                                        This is how evolution is defined

                                        It is important to note that biological evolution refers to populations and not to individuals and that the changes must be passed on to the next generation. In practice this means that, Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations. This is a good working scientific definition of evolution; one that can be used to distinguish between evolution and similar changes that are not evolution.

                                        Another common short definition of evolution can be found in many textbooks
                                        "In fact, evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next."

                                        • Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974

                                        Is this how you define evolution?

                                        Regards,

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                                          Jaxal
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                                          SaLaM bmbmm

                                          And it just so happens that people with darker sking have a higher resistance to UV lights? I mean correct me if im wrong here becoz im no scientist. I read this in some science magazine. Your the scientist. People who live in africa where sun is always over their head, have a higher resistance to UV light. Whearas, white people dont. They go all red when in the sun .

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