Salat (just three times)
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Peace all,
In my understanding, the question doesn't befit to pray (salaat) 5 times, 3 times or 1 time, the question is why one must pray towards a man-made stone/brick structure/building regardless of any time? Even if one prays towards this idol/icon, why one must say/proclaim the very Words/Verses back to GOD for what has been proclaimed upon us, such as surah al-naas, surah al-ikhlaas, surah al-falaq, etc.? The Quran, in book form, is meant to be read, understood, reflected and acted upon for us humans, in order to live a basic righteous life.
Why would anyone speak to GOD by saying ?in the name of GOD? rather than ?O GOD? or ?Ya Allah? or ?O my Lord? when directly addressing and speaking to HIM? When GOD is within us and as close to our jugular veins, then what keeps one from praying (as in dua, not sallaa) via our minds and hearts (as in meditation) than to bow and prostrate towards a physical structure which serves no purpose and which has been destroyed and rebuilt several times? Why would GOD send HIS messenger to construct a rock structure and have us bow, prostrate, circumvent and revere it MORE than HIM, alongwith others and at the same time prohibit, warn and punish us from worshipping anything other than HIM by sending this very message via the same messenger? What justification lies therein Quran?
Beautiful danish
Yur understanding is absolutely on the right path. i strongly agree to u. Scintifically and geographically also i think it is not possible to face to wards that cubical building situated in the city of Mecca in saudi arabia, due to the curve after evry 50 miles( earth being sphircal.) and not flat If a person is in Los Angeles, which is almost opposite side of the globe from Mecca than to which direction will he face during ritual namaz ? west or east? If it is thought of as an imaginary symbol of unity, than where the unity is among so called muslim countries? many so called muslim countries have different laws, (look at the system of government in Pakistan & Saudi Arabia) more over so called muslim ummah is devided ito various political & religious sects/groups such as Hanafi/shafi/hanbli/malki/asna ashri/sunni/ismaili/bohri/darozi/barelvi/deobandi/qadiyani/ahmadi/mirzai/bahai/ahl-hadis/tablighee/jamati/chistiya/saharvardiya/qadriya and each group is happy in what ever thjey are following and differin their beliefs and concepts of namaz/isam and called each oters as "kafirs" and no each sect perform namaz with each other and considers a sin. SO WHERE IS THE UNITY? IF THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A UNITY THAN THERE WOULD WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE HEAD OF ALL THE SO CALLED MUSLIM COUNTRIES, AND MUSLIM UMMAH WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT POWER OF THE EARTH.
So ritual practice of namaz is siply a wastage of time and iman, a short cut to seek the favour of our creator withiout doing any soild beneficial work, and violation of human rights when a call is announced on loud speakers disturbing the peace of people.
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SaLam Komla
A tip sister. No one here will force you to see it their way. It is up to you that you read about the topic and make your own mind. And ask us questions and we will help you as much as possible.
Now, about salat. You will find that people here have a diverse belief on this matter. Some pray it like sunnis. Some like you. Some dont even perform the ritual salat... like me. Layth has an excellent article on this matter. Explore the website AND read the previous topics on this subject.
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"The" middle prayer which is mentioned in 2238 can only be the Sunset Prayer - the middle of the three mentioned above.
Hafithoo AAalaalssalawati waalssalatialwusta waqoomoo lillahi qaniteena
Guard your salavat, AND the middle salat (according to you); and persist/stand to/for Allah devoutly.
If there were THREE salats the ayah would go like this with dual form
Hafithoo AAala as-salatain waalssalatialwusta waqoomoo lillahi qaniteena
Guard your two salats, AND the middle salat (according to you); and persist/stand to/for Allah devoutly.Salavat is in plural form so there are at least three salats. We can see that middle salat (according to you) is NOT included in them but it's mentioned separately with wa (AND). This proves that those who ritually pray three times are just following conjectures just like anyone who prays ritually when there is no details of it in the Reading.
Salam.
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My salaam,thx for the reply,ok since according to you,the middle prayer is the sunset prayer so wen we do we do the salat al jumua(at sunset??),i wanna see different opinions on that cause i
m kind confused.Can someone give me the name of site or an article where i can read about the oppinion of those who pray 2 times a day,and those who dont consider salat as a physical prayer??? -
My salaam,thx for the reply,ok since according to you,the middle prayer is the sunset prayer so wen we do we do the salat al jumua(at sunset??),i wanna see different opinions on that cause i
m kind confused.Can someone give me the name of site or an article where i can read about the oppinion of those who pray 2 times a day,and those who dont consider salat as a physical prayer???Salaam Komla
This is my position on salat http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3216
And this is the best salat article I've ever read (brother hafeez kazi's) http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2239
There is no ritual prayer in the Holy Quran, if there was Allah would have given us details like He gave the details of what was supposed to be done before it step by step (wudu).
As for salatil jumuat, imho it means any day of "link" (Quran reading by Mohammad) besides the ones Allah mandated (11114, 177 for example like the one in 9103. When there was a reading session believers were to leave all business and run for remembrance of Allah. I don't think Allah would deem one specific day of the week as "holy."
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Salaam,
17.78 Doesn't talk about a new timing for salaat.
17.78 gives you the perfect timing of how long your salaat should take to do. It's from when the sun gets down till the it's completely dark.
as for 2.238
this is from an sufi site.Be ever mindful of prayers,
and of praying in the most excellent way;
and stand before God in devout obedience.
Qur'an 2238According to me there are two times to perform the salaat that is in the morning and in the evening. And if you wish to during the night but this is not obligatory.
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My salaam,wowwwwwwww guys thx for the reply i
ve come a long way for me to be able to see all those views.All this makes a lot of sens.So from what i understand now, its not about how many times you pray a day,because even the worst of ppl who do all those prayers a day,are there, killing each other and dividing themselves in sects in matters that are not important.But what is important, is the simple fact of remembering Allah everyday of our lives,wowww,beautiful.