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ARE THERE 13 BILLION ANGELS ON EARTH PRESENTLY?

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    agentxxx
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    peace Ahmed,
    you wrote

    The point is the verse is a metaphor by selecting the heart as the organ who will conceded the believe while this runs in perfect harmony with the common knowledge that a child will even know, the verse means what was sent down to the prophet however the heart was used as a metaphor because the prophet heart BELIEVD IN IT TOTALLY and that is what all the believers heart will certainly do as well, the brain is just to process the data, the believe and all emotions comes from the heart

    Have you ever been scared?, I?m sure you at least once have been, how was your heart at the time? The feelings was in the heart I?m sure

    Bro 100% there is nothing wrong or conflicting about this verse, in fact the Quran always refer to the belief as something the heart will gain however the Quran also stressed the importance of the brain for processing the logics and in numerous locations the Quran was only addressing the people with Brains

    if it is a metaphor then i will have to accept it other wise according to my knowledge even the emotions are generated in the brain. the funtion of the heart is just to pump blood.
    yea I have been scared hundreds of times in my life, my heart was beating like a drum all these times but my understanding is that the brain releases some sort of chemicals in every different situation that makes our heart beat slow or fast.
    thank you.
    God bless you all.

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      unknownuser
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      Peace bro

      yes bro the brain is to process but the Heart is the one to believe

      i might find some other info for you

      peace

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        Hi agent xxx,

        even the emotions are generated in the brain. the funtion of the heart is just to pump blood.
        yea I have been scared hundreds of times in my life, my heart was beating like a drum all these times but my understanding is that the brain releases some sort of chemicals in every different situation that makes our heart beat slow or fast.
        thank you.

        U r right.
        The physiology of the heart is only to pump blood to all parts of the body.
        Increased & loud, heart rate (palpitations) is due to release of adrenaline to the heart, during times of anxiety/fear.

        All the emotions and senses are percieved only by the brain.

        But at a unrealistic, non biological level, the heart has long been used as a symbol to refer to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and in the past also intellectual core of a human being.

        Peace!

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          unknownuser
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          Hello Agentxxx

          I don't understand your point, do you mean it is a contradiction?

          well I do believe it is not, as far as I believe the faith is in the heart not in the brain as i explained before

          a brain can process and yet the heart does not believe

          you see the prophet didn't need to process, it went straight into his heart as the Quran told us, now that make sense because the prophet was already looking to find God as you know

          on the other hand the Quran never denied the brain as the organ of processing, the brain was mentioned numerous times to us as the organ of processing the data then if we process the data and we choose to believe then it is all coming from the heart after the brain has finished its role of processing the data

          the Quran actually told us the when we remember Allah, our heart will feel peace

          HEARTS FIND PEACE IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH

          According to research by David B. Larson, of the American National Health Research Center, and his team, comparisons of devout and non-religious Americans have given very surprising results. For instance, religious people suffer 60% less heart disease than those with little or no religious belief, the suicide rate among them is 100% lower, they suffer far lower levels of high blood pressure, and this ratio is 71 among smokers.

          It was reported in one study published in the International Journal of Psychiatry in Medicine, an important scientific source in the world of medicine, that people who describe themselves as having no religious beliefs become ill more frequently and have shorter life spans. According to the results of the research, those with no beliefs are twice as likely to suffer stomach-intestine diseases than believers, and their mortality rate from respiratory diseases is 66% times higher than that of believers.

          Secular psychologists tend to refer to similar figures as "psychological effects." This means that belief raises peoples' spirits, and this contributes to health. This explanation may indeed be reasonable, but a more striking conclusion emerges when the subject is examined. Belief in Allah is much stronger than any other psychological influence. The wide-ranging research into the connection between religious belief and physical health carried out by Dr. Herbert Benson of the Harvard Medical Faculty has produced surprising conclusions in this area. Despite not being a believer himself, Dr. Benson has concluded that worship and belief in Allah have a more positive effect on human health than that observed in anything else. Benson states that he has concluded that no belief provides as much mental peace as belief in Allah.

          What is the reason for this connection between belief and the human soul and body? The conclusion reached by the secular researcher Benson is, in his own words, that the human body and mind are regulated to believe in Allah.

          This fact, which the world of medicine has slowly begun to appreciate, is a secret revealed in the Quran in these words

          "? Only in the remembrance of Allah can the heart find peace."

          The reason why those who believe in Allah, who pray to and trust in Him, are psychologically and physically healthier is that they behave in accordance with the purpose of their creation. Philosophies and systems which contradict human creation always lead to pain and unhappiness.

          Modern medicine is now tending towards the realization of this truth. As Patrick Glynn put it

          "Scientific research in psychology over the past twenty-five years has demonstrated that,? religious belief is one of the most consistent correlates of overall mental health and happiness."

          Thanks for reading

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            Tay
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            Peace Ahmed,

            The heart, in the context you are using it, is a symbolic representation of the soul. Anatomically speaking, it only pumps blood. There are many definitions for the word

            www.dictionary.com

            r.v. Archaic heart?ed, heart?ing, hearts
            To encourage; hearten.

            heart ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h?rt)
            n.

            1. Anatomy.
              The chambered muscular organ in vertebrates that pumps blood received from the veins into the arteries, thereby maintaining the flow of blood through the entire circulatory system.
              A similarly functioning structure in invertebrates.

            2. The area that is the approximate location of the heart in the body; the breast.

            3.The vital center and source of one's being, emotions, and sensibilities.
            The repository of one's deepest and sincerest feelings and beliefs an appeal from the heart; a subject dear to her heart.
            The seat of the intellect or imagination the worst atrocities the human heart could devise.

            1. Emotional constitution, basic disposition, or character a man after my own heart.
              One's prevailing mood or current inclination We were light of heart.

            2. Capacity for sympathy or generosity; compassion a leader who seems to have no heart.
              Love; affection The child won my heart.

            3. Courage; resolution; fortitude The soldiers lost heart and retreated.
              The firmness of will or the callousness required to carry out an unpleasant task or responsibility hadn't the heart to send them away without food.

            4. A person esteemed or admired as lovable, loyal, or courageous a dear heart.

            5. The central or innermost physical part of a place or region the heart of the financial district. See Synonyms at center.
              The core of a plant, fruit, or vegetable hearts of palm.

            6. The most important or essential part get to the heart of the matter.

            7. A conventional two-lobed representation of the heart, usually colored red or pink.

            8. Games.
              A red, heart-shaped figure on certain playing cards.
              A playing card with this figure.
              hearts (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The suit of cards represented by this figure.
              A card game in which the object is either to avoid hearts when taking tricks or to take all the hearts.

            Idioms
            at heart
            In one's deepest feelings; fundamentally.
            by heart
            Learned by rote; memorized word for word.
            do (one's) heart good
            To lift one's spirits; make one happy.
            from the bottom/depths of (one's) heart
            With the deepest appreciation; most sincerely.
            have (one's) heart in (one's) mouth
            To be extremely frightened or anxious.
            have (one's) heart in the right place
            To be well-intentioned.
            heart and soul
            Completely; entirely.
            in (one's) heart of hearts
            In the seat of one's truest feelings.
            lose (one's) heart to
            To fall in love with.
            near/close to (one's) heart
            Loved by or important to one.
            steal (someone's) heart
            To win one's affection or love.
            take to heart
            To take seriously and be affected or troubled by Don't take my criticism to heart.
            to (one's) heart's contentTo one's entire satisfaction, without limitation.
            wear (one's) heart on (one's) sleeve
            To show one's feelings clearly and openly by one's behavior.
            with all (one's) heart
            With great willingness or pleasure.
            With the deepest feeling or devotion.
            with half a heart
            In a half-hearted manner.

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              unknownuser
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              Thank you tay

              I believe I agreed it is a metaphor, however is a very accurate and reastic one because to what i explained already

              now if Allah use it as a metaphor I reckon there is a sign behind it

              but as I said the brain can refuse to believe but the heart not

              like the feeling of love exactly, I never felt I love a woman in my brain rather in my heart

              but we have no argument here indeed, I agree it is a metaphor, but I donlt agree it is a contradiction and the Quran should say it that it came down on his brain rather his heart

              the heart was used all around the Quran to express what we gain, the hands also were used but far less

              even when death comes it was described that the hearts will reach the throat, I will try to find the verse

              Peace be with you

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                Tay
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                Peace Ahmed,

                I believe I agreed it is a metaphor

                yay

                I never felt I love a woman in my brain rather in my heart

                I feel it in both, but maybe that's just me.

                the heart was used all around the Quran to express what we gain

                Yess!!!
                The heart, symbol of the soul, which is the real "you", the part that gains and evolves or doesn't. Mind/brain = temporary, heart/soul = eternal

                Peace,
                Tay

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                  agentxxx
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                  peace peaceful muslim,
                  you wrote

                  U r right.
                  The physiology of the heart is only to pump blood to all parts of the body.
                  Increased & loud, heart rate (palpitations) is due to release of adrenaline to the heart, during times of anxiety/fear.

                  All the emotions and senses are percieved only by the brain.

                  But at a unrealistic, non biological level, the heart has long been used as a symbol to refer to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and in the past also intellectual core of a human being.

                  thank you for explaining it for me D

                  peace and thanks tay,
                  you wrote

                  The heart, symbol of the soul, which is the real "you", the part that gains and evolves or doesn't. Mind/brain = temporary, heart/soul = eternal

                  please explain it in a little bit detail, as I dont understand what you really mean by

                  1The heart, symbol of the soul, which is the real "you", the part that gains and evolves or doesn't.
                  2Mind/brain = temporary, heart/soul = eternal

                  Ahmed saysI never felt I love a woman in my brain rather in my heart
                  tay saysI feel it in both, but maybe that's just me.

                  I feel it all over me, every atom/molecule of my body.....lol
                  God bless you all.

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                    Tay
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                    Peace Agentxxx,

                    You stated

                    please explain it in a little bit detail, as I dont understand what you really mean by

                    1The heart, symbol of the soul, which is the real "you", the part that gains and evolves or doesn't.
                    2Mind/brain = temporary, heart/soul = eternal

                    Sure
                    There are two parts to the human persona

                    1. Soul (also known as spirit, heart, subconscious, higher self, or just self)
                    2. Mind (also known as brain, conscious, lower self)

                    The mind is illusory. It is not the real "you". It is the part of you that thinks. That's all it does. It thinks, and thinks, and thinks. Any thought that you "hear" is from your mind. And these thoughts are based completely on experience, ie, environment, family, relationships, education, and personal alone-time experiences- nothing abstract, everything is referred. The mind catalogues all these experiences and judges all present experiences based on the results of past experiences. So when we say something is "good" or "bad", it's based on how we've experienced that something previously. In this sense, the mind can only work in the past.

                    The soul is the real "you". It is the part of you that observes the thoughts. It is the part that "knows", without words. It exists in the present. It is pure, quiet, peace. The soul shines in moments like watching a sunset, or children playing, or the love of your life just staring into your eyes. In those moments, no words are necessary, because you know. Athletes call it "the zone", when they say they weren't thinking, they were just locked in, in perfect harmony. They always describe it as indescribable.

                    The soul evolves through it's own recognition. It remains stagnant when the mind is allowed to control the ride. Thus, the importance of soul -energizing activities, such as meditation, or art, or sport. When we give control of ourselves to our minds, we become robots, doing the same thing over and over, caught in routines as years fly by.

                    Peace,
                    Tay

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                      I feel it all over me, every atom/molecule of my body.....lol
                      God bless you all.

                      mate everytime I say this to my wife she tells me stop my BS

                      I swear bro lol

                      peace

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                        agentxxx
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                        peace Tay,
                        thank you very much for explaining it for me
                        you wrote

                        The soul shines in moments like watching a sunset, or children playing, or the love of your life just staring into your eyes.In those moments, no words are necessary,

                        wow, tay you remind me of khalil gibran
                        you dont say a word and yet you say it all. wink

                        agentxxx wrote
                        I feel it all over me, every atom/molecule of my body.....
                        God bless you all.

                        Ahmed wrote

                        mate everytime I say this to my wife she tells me stop my BS

                        lol lol lol
                        brother Ahmed may God bless you and your family, please convey her my salam.
                        I have heard in the news today that there were some kind of an ethnic riots in some areas of australia? I couldnot hear the complete news and I hope and sincerly pray that may the Almighty keeps you and your family out of the harms way.
                        God bless you all.

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                          lol lol lol
                          brother Ahmed may God bless you and your family, please convey her my salam.
                          I have heard in the news today that there were some kind of an ethnic riots in some areas of australia? I couldnot hear the complete news and I hope and sincerly pray that may the Almighty keeps you and your family out of the harms way.
                          God bless you all.

                          lol lol

                          yeh bro it is gettin bad in here as every where now, however I live in an area where you hardly see any midlleastern, I'm way far from those troubled suburbs, but it is hurting me because young aggressive aussie teen girls started attacking muslim women in Hijab by punching them in the face as they walk in the streets without any provocation

                          what a disgrace to all australians man, I'm ashamed to be australian and that is the first time I felt this way in 15 years

                          all I can say may Allah bless Australia

                          peace be with you

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                            agentxxx
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                            Peace Ahmed,
                            you wrote

                            yeh bro it is gettin bad in here as every where now, however I live in an area where you hardly see any midlleastern, I'm way far from those troubled suburbs, but it is hurting me because young aggressive aussie teen girls started attacking muslim women in Hijab by punching them in the face as they walk in the streets without any provocation

                            I am sad to hear that brother, why are they doing this? what is the reason? no one has the right to misbehave with innocent people. please take care of yourself and may Allah bless you all.

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                              Peace Ahmed,
                              you wrote

                              yeh bro it is gettin bad in here as every where now, however I live in an area where you hardly see any midlleastern, I'm way far from those troubled suburbs, but it is hurting me because young aggressive aussie teen girls started attacking muslim women in Hijab by punching them in the face as they walk in the streets without any provocation

                              I am sad to hear that brother, why are they doing this? what is the reason? no one has the right to misbehave with innocent people. please take care of yourself and may Allah bless you all.

                              to be honest bro, there are some lebanease gangs and they go to the beaches and cause troubles, but there is also asian gangs and abos gangs

                              but the midlleeastern ones was targeted by the aussie gangs, I gues due to what happened in 9/11 onwards

                              very strange man, but the police now has taken control and blocked the whole shire, no one in, no one out

                              it will finish soon bro, but I believe the lebanease gangs will adamantly seek revenge soon by killing somone, then the aussies gang will respond and back again to square one

                              peace bro

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                                agentxxx
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                                peace Ahmed,
                                you wrote

                                to be honest bro, there are some lebanease gangs and they go to the beaches and cause troubles, but there is also asian gangs and abos gangs

                                but the midlleeastern ones was targeted by the aussie gangs, I gues due to what happened in 9/11 onwards

                                very strange man, but the police now has taken control and blocked the whole shire, no one in, no one out

                                it will finish soon bro, but I believe the lebaneasegangs will adamantly seek revenge soon by killing somone, then the aussies gang will respond and back again to square one

                                peace bro

                                too bad and i hope the labanease/asian gangs refrain from doing any thing that can cause racial tensions and create problems for all others ethnic groups who are living peacefully in australia.
                                peace.

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