What is/are THE 7 HEAVENS THEN???????????????????????
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Salaams all,
Someones views
The discrepancies or contradictions brought out by agent
Don?t exist if we re-translate some words using lanes/QD..Using Lanes and QD.
The first human in whom Allah created the Disposition/inclination ? to do good,is Adam and then Allah taught him the knowledge of the attributes then qualities/ came about and the inclination was spread to others as well.
Before the bringing about of the Dispositon/inclination and the qualities man was an animal so the inclination-to do good, and the qualities where one.
The Disposition and the qualities where created from ill-will and not from any smoke .And the animals do have an ill-will !
The Seven Qalities (using lanes)
Niggerdliness,Decieving,Accomplishing,Leading,Disputing,enjoying-materialistically,socialising.
The main mistranlstaion is to do with Ism ? sing
Samaa-pl
Samawaat-pl,gr.in some places they translate these words as clouds ,rain,heavens,attributes e.t.c
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And ?O? My people ask forgiveness (of) your Lord then repent to Him He will bestow the attributes/nature/characteristics or knowledge of the things (for distinction) , to you abundant and increase you (in) strength to your strength so do not turn away as sinners.66
Did not they see how many we destroyed before them a generation We had established them with the disposition (to do good) such as not We have established you and We sent/bestowed the attributes/characteristics- knowledge of the things (for distinction), on them abundantly and We made their prosperity (from) trade/business under them yet for their sins We destroyed them and raised in their wake fresh generations (to succeed them).Original Translation
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YUSUFALI See they not how many of those before them we did destroy? - generations We had established on the earth, in strength such as We have not given to you - FOR WHOM We poured out rain from the skies in abundance, and gave (fertile) streams flowing beneath their (feet) yet for their sins We destroyed them, and raised in their wake fresh generations (to succeed them).Allah pours out rain in abundance for certain people? Doesn?t it rain according to the weather patterns? And the geography of the earth?
And doesn?t each man get rain if they were in a rainy part of the earth?
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He is Allah the creator the inventor of all things the bestower of forms to Him belong the attributes/traits/characteristics the Best glorify Him those with , the qualities and the disposition/desire-to do good, and He is the All ? Mighty the All- Wise.Original translation
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YUSUFALI He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.I think not everything glorifies Allah on the earth- I mean some human kind! Do they? But on the other hand everyone with the qualities(above) and the disposition ?to do good, glorify Allah provided they believe. ? I think or is this wrong?
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Who made the disposition-to do good your couch and the traits/characteristics/attributes as a canopy and sent/bestowed from the attributes/characteristics/traits essence and brought forth therewith from gain/aboundance/fruits as a provision for you so do not set up unto Allah rivals while you know.117
He it is who has created/proportioned/determined the qualities and the disposition/inclinatin-to do good in six Days and was His throne on the essence that He might try you which of you is best in deeds but if you were to say (to them) you indeed shall be raised up after death would be sure to say those who disbelieve nothing this is but magic obvious.Seven heavensSeven Qualities in us.
Original translations
the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind?2218
Do not you see that (to) Allah they submit everyone with the qualities and everyone with the disposition/inclinations the Avarice/Niggardly the Deceiver the accomplisher/achiever (who know things-others don?t) the leader(s) the disputer the materialistic and the sociable/affectionate And many is justified on whom the punishment and whomsoever disgraces Allah then not him any to honour verily Allah does whatever He wills.
Finally Allah says everything is fully detailed ?where then are the details of the seven heavens?
And as above the details of the seven qualities are there but simply mistranslated.
And the names,attributes/characteristics/qualities are all I believe from the same root word.
Please note i havn't checked this through yet but i will.
BUT THE PAKISTANIS WILL KNOW THERE IS THE WORD radaA in Urdu, and I believe AL-ARD and Radaa have a common root and a common meaning.And its not Earth.It is Disposition/Inclination/Desire-to do good.
And this is mistranslated throughout the quran as is Ism/Samaa/Samawaat.God Bless All.
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Hello
I believe what the Quran means by everything is detailed that EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW TO PASS THIS TEST
Not really everything in the heaven and earth
the Quran said the same about the Torrah, that Allah explained EVERYTHING in it as well
consequently it has to be understood as EVERYTHING we need to know to to pass the test
Peace be with you
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Salaams Br.
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In their stories is a lesson for the people of intelligence. It was not a narration that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present AND A DETAILING OF ALL THINGS , and a guidance and mercy to a people who believe.
I think most people agree that what Allah has spoken about is detailed.
But details of things He hasn't spoken about may not exist.God Bless.
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Finally Allah says everything is fully detailed ?where then are the details of the seven heavens?
salam.
i think there are enough details in the Quran .
check this out for 7 heavenshttp//harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_03.php#9
http//harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_03.php#10
http//harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_04.php#1
http//harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_04.php#2
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Salaams Sal,
love to agree , but getting answers which don't solve contradictions can't be what we want.
solve these then.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4443
Gods Blessings.
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salam.
Salaams Sal,
love to agree , but getting answers which don't solve contradictions can't be what we want.
maybe i didnt read your post carefully , or did understand it . what exactly were u asking for .
solve these then.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4443
i will give my opinion on these . but i recommend you and agentxxx to post these question on M. Asadi's forum (i m the admin there) . i think that Asadi has done the most research on this scientific stuff in the Quran . he might be able to answer these questions better than any of us .
salam.
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Peace be upon you,
I understand the 7 skies to be the 7 energies, rather, the 7 different personalities of mankind. They are linked with the 7 chakra system of India.
I will try to expand on that soon.
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solve these then.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4443
Gods Blessings.
peace
but I already posted verses from the Quran that proves "Thumma" also means moreover, did you read it please?
I still have to add to it how Thumma can be controlled with another two arabic words to give one meanning only "Then"
if these two Arabic words are not included then "Thumma" may mean "Moreover" or "Then", and only the context will control the meaning of "Thumma"
if these two Arabic words are included, then "Thumma" MUST MEAN "THEN" as I will show later today
peace
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Salaams Br.
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In their stories is a lesson for the people of intelligence. It was not a narration that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present AND A DETAILING OF ALL THINGS , and a guidance and mercy to a people who believe.
I think most people agree that what Allah has spoken about is detailed.
But details of things He hasn't spoken about may not exist.God Bless.
Peace bro
yes it is detailed to what we need to know, and is not detailed to what we don't need to know, the point is WE ARE SETTING A TEST?
if we are not setting a test then I will agree with you, but if we are not setting a test then why will be a Quran from the first place
you see bro when you are going to set a test you don't need to know about things that had noting to do with passing the test
Allah said He created 7 heavens, I would say heavens may not even mean the sky as we know it, it can actually means a few things
peace
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Salaams Ahmed,
So you are saying we don't need to know what the seven heavens are or what they are about - why would Allah be speaking about them?
Believe it Br. the quran is so rediculously mistranslated vow!
An example (i hope your not a sunni -5 er!) ,
How the bowing was created in the quran-lets see.
Look at how the idol worshipers worship their idols -bow,prostrate e.t.cSo how would one worship the sun?
only way is bowing and prostrating -see.
So as Allah has said"Don't worship/serve A-Shamas but serve me"
So simply calling (whatever it may be) Shamas is sun - you got ahead by miles into giving the notion of bowing to Allah and prostrating.Yet Shamas is not the sun and this can be seen from context of amazingly a number of ayah's .
Gods Blessings.
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Salaams Ahmed,
Salam bro
So you are saying we don't need to know what the seven heavens are or what they are about - why would Allah be speaking about them?
Well, what I?m saying is it should not be important to see the unseen to believe in it or to understand it as that is the main requirement from the first place 23
As well trying to link the 7 heavens to a specific ,meaning which is the blue sky may not be accurate because ?Sama? means anything above ground, so in effect it can also mean the 7 layers of the atmosphere as Saladin stated, in a way it will be nothing but speculations and Allah warned us to say things untrue about Him because He knows and we don?t know, I will bring the verse later
Believe it Br. the quran is so rediculously mistranslated vow!
Of course I know that for years bro
An example (i hope your not a sunni -5 er!) ,
I have never been a sunni one day in my 40 years of life
How the bowing was created in the quran-lets see.
Look at how the idol worshipers worship their idols -bow,prostrate e.t.cYou means how it is expressed not created, right?
So how would one worship the sun?
only way is bowing and prostrating -see.
sure
So as Allah has said"Don't worship/serve A-Shamas but serve me"
So simply calling (whatever it may be) Shamas is sun - you got ahead by miles into giving the notion of bowing to Allah and prostrating.Yet Shamas is not the sun and this can be seen from context of amazingly a number of ayah's .
Gods Blessings.
Sorry bro, I lost you there, the verse that talk about not bowing to the Sun ?Shams? was indeed talking about the people who take the sun as a god and they still exist till today, nothing complicated here bro
Peace be with you
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Salaams Bro,
Yes 7 heavens can mean other things.
Funny thing to me is this quran is giving detailing of the creation bringing about of the human not physically but mentally spiritually and no way is it talking about the things around us rather it is talking about our nature how Allah has brought it into existence and how we should deal our affairs for success and prosperity but, people have mistranslated it and replaced some words and are talking about the sun, moon, heavens, trees, monkies, snakes e.t.c which I think don't mean bull, those things have been there for everyone and will remain so everybody can see, can?t they.
By the example.
?Don?t worship the sun but worship Allah?
I meant this is the easiest way,
To make people bow, like bowing to idols, they have replaced Avarice-deeds/actions with the sun????? So rather then changing our actions we bow up and down.Shamas is the avariciousness as well according to the lanes-which makes sense Bro.
Allah says(i think) ?the avaricious and the deceiving will be reckoned in time? but the conspirators have changed to ?the sun and the moon are for the reckoning of time? and that?s to my understanding.
Can we say the avaricious and the deceiving submit to Allah if we see it from the point of view that they do also submit or rather work with the attributes ,Do they?
God Bless.
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Thank you bro
Can you please point to the verses you are refering to.
Peace
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Salaams Br.
Here's the first part
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YUSUFALI Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.027.024
YUSUFALI "I found her and her people worshipping the sun besides Allah Satan has made their deeds seem pleasing in their eyes, and has kept them away from the Path,- so they receive no guidance,-Gods Blessings.