The "Ghayb" - let's find out what it means.

[unknownuser]

Hi

Hi Ahmed Bahgat,

My Adam Partner was created from a man but without a woman

Where did u get this infromation from?
The first woman was created from adam???says who?
Well, I thought you read the whole Quran sister?, anyway, here is the evidences you asked for

Quran Evidence # 1

?O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.?

Quran Evidence # 2

?He created you from one being, then from that (being) He made its mate; and He hath provided for you of cattle eight kinds. He created you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, in a threefold gloom. Such is Allah, your Lord. His is the Sovereignty. There is no Allah save Him. How then are ye turned away

Obvioulsy the one who told me was Allah in His Quran, so I hope I answered the very clear "Who" question you had

Here are my reasons for the confusion. This is what the translation(yusuf Ali) I read, says

41 O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.

396 He created you (all) from a single person then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but He then how are ye turned away (from your true Centre)?

Yeah, even if what u r saying is true, then it doesnt really specify who was created first, does it? Is it Adam or eve? All the verse says is 'from one soul, created its mate' or ''from one being, was created an another''. So, it could be either. ?

Peace!

Hi

I know of that confusion that is why I didn't use Yusuf Smart Ali translation, I used Pikhthal

AS FAR AS A FLUENT ARABIC SPEAKER CAN SEE, PICKTHAL IS 100% ACCURATE AND YUSUF SMART ALI IS NOT AND SURE THE OTHER POPULAR ONE IS NOT

FOR ME THE ARABIC VERSE MEAN ONE THING ONLY THAT THE NAFS OF ADAM PARTNER WAS CREATED FROM THE NAFS "which is a female word" OF ADAM AFTER ALLAH CREATED ADAM, ACCORDING TO THE ABOVE TWO VERSES.

Regarding who was created first, it can be understood from zillions of other Quran contexts and has to be concluded that it was Adam, i will post the verses when I have time

Thanks

[unknownuser]

ok Guys here is the second story, this one though was told by Allah, I just added a mere few comments

Story # 2

The Ultimate Plot

Commentary by

Ahmed Bahgat

Here is the whole Creation plot in brief as described in the Quran

(30)?And when thy Lord said unto the angels Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said Surely I know that which ye know not.?

(31)?And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.?

(32)?They said Be glorified! We have no knowledge saving that which Thou hast taught us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower, the Wise.?

(33)?He said O Adam! Inform them of their names, and when he had informed them of their names, He said Did I not tell you that I know the secret of the heavens and the earth? And I know that which ye disclose and which ye hide.?

(34)?And when We said unto the angels Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliAdam Partnerr.?

(35)?And We said O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers.?

(36)?But Satan caused them to deflect therefrom and expelled them from the (happy) state in which they were; and We said Fall down, one of you a foe unto the other! There shall be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a time.?

(37)?Then Adam received from his Lord words, and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the Merciful.?

(3?We said Go down, all of you, from hence; but verily there cometh unto you from Me a guidance; and whoso followeth My guidance, there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they griAdam Partner.?

(39) ?But they who disbeliAdam Partner, and deny Our rAdam Partnerlations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein.?

If we examine those 9 verses carefully we can conclude the following

-> In verse 30 we see Allah is talking to the Angels and telling them ?And when thy Lord said unto the angels Lo! I am about to place a viceroy (humans) in the earth,? it is obvious from this bit that Allah told the Angels that He will place humans ON EARTH, before He created Adam. The Angels are described in the Quran that they have no free will but we will see next that they questioned God after the Angels wondered.

The Angels on the other hand seemed to have kept part of their wonder inside them and did not expose it all, well, they might have asked themselves other questions wondering on why Allah is going to place a new creature called humans on earth, they actually produced an argument to Allah as well by saying they said Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee?, , but how the Angels knew that the humans ? who will do harm therein and will shed blood? this bit actually confirms that another creature called Jinns inhibited earth, they were created ages before humans to inhibit earth but they destroy it totally due to their superior power, howAdam Partnerr they nAdam Partnerr have the human brain qualities, Iblis who was one of them who was worshipping Allah but not with sincerity he was a hypocrite. Anyway, Iblis was up there for an unknown reason to humanity. period

Most likely the mischief that was committed by the Jinns on earth was the reason for the Angels wonder, As they thought the humans will do the same ?who will do harm therein and will shed blood?, but Allah responded back to the Angels by ?He said Surely I know that which ye know not.? , confirming that they just do not know what Allah has planned to us as a new invention, but yet Allah proved the Angels ignorance and their lack of knowledge in the following verse

-> Verse 31, Allah taught Adam all the names of things, like tree, flower and so on, then asked the Angels to say the names of a few things that Allah did not teach them but only did with Adam ?And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.?

-> Verse 32, the Angels ignorance was exposed ?They said Be glorified! We have no knowledge saving that which Thou hast taught us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower, the Wise.? can you see that they admitted that they have only knowledge on the things they have been taught by Allah. THIS REFUTE MANY Muslims IN HERE WHO THINKS THE ANGELS CAN KNOW THE GHAYB

-> Verse 33 shows Adam have the knowledge to learn and in fact he learnt more from God than the Angels ?He said O Adam! Inform them of their names, and when he had informed them of their names,? then Adam succeeded in telling the names of the things produced by Allah, Allah spoke back to the Angels telling them ?He said Did I not tell you that I know the secret of the heavens and the earth??, but Allah did not stop here in his talk to the Angels He actually informed them that He Adam Partnern knew their wonder that they did not expose to him ?And I know that which ye disclose and which ye hide.?

-> Verse 34 tells us that humans are in higher lAdam Partnerl than the Angels, Allah said to the Angels and Iblis who was up there for whatAdam Partnerr reason to Prostrate themselves before Adam ?And when We said unto the angels Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate,, they all did expect Iblis ?all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliAdam Partnerr.?, Allah exposed his hypocrisy, and this is a conclusive proof that He had a free will, The Quran clearly told us that the Angels NADAM PARTNERR OBEY Him, Iblis did not obey Allah, hence he can not be an angel, in fact the Quran tols us as clear as it can get that Iblis was one of the Jinn

?Behold! We said to the angels, ?Bow down to Adam? They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!?

-> It is clear in this verse that Allah is responding to the people that claimed Iblis was one of the Angels ?except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns?, see how consistent the Quran is, Allah is telling us what Iblis has done in another part of the Quran ? and he broke the Command of his Lord?, and the verse end with important information that Iblis is like us regarding reproduction as well Allah is wondering by asking us ? . Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me??, taking him as ?protector? means obeying him,, Humans just can not comprehend that it happens this way while it was said so clear in many location in addition to this verse, but here is Allah logic NOT to listen to the Jinn who can see us and we can not see them ?And they are enemies to you!? and sure the wrong-doers will exchange Evil for Allah ?Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!?, but if you read this bit in Arabic ? ? it means a condemnation by Allah to this sort of Exchange.

From here I will have to jump to another location in the Quran to show how Allah is telling us that Iblis and his progeny see us while we can not see them while the verse is summing up the whole plot at the same time

?O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.?

-> In this verse Allah is talking to all of us ?All humanity ? O ye Children of Adam!?, and He is advising us to watch for Satan (Iblis) and his progeny ? ! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden,??, in fact after Adam and his partner fell into Satan seduction, Satan started to laugh hysterically and started stripping their cloths to show the gentiles of each one to the other, this is actually a common knowledge in the story tale and yet it is written in the Quran ?stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame?, the word ? ? was translated as ?Shame?, but it means in Arabic the ?Genitals?, I think the translators somehow felt it will be odd to use the true translation ?Genitals? but sure they are stupid to do so, there is no shame in the Quran teachings.

Following that is an important piece of information from Allah that humans need to know ?for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them? and finally Allah telling us that He will make the bad Jinns friends to the bad humans ? We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.?

-> Back to main story in verse 35 we see Allah is telling Adam to dwell in the garden and eat freely but nAdam Partnerr touch this tree otherwise he will be a wrong-doers ?And We said O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers.?

-> Verse 36 tell us that Satan succeeded in seducing our parents by fooling them to eat from the forbidden tree ?But Satan caused them to deflect therefrom and expelled them from the (happy) state in which they were;, the story here did not go into details but in other locations in the Quran it went further into details, like the example I showed you about stripping their clothes to show their genitals, then the objective of putting us on earth is fulfilled ?and We said Fall down,? but Allah is telling us an important note that humans are going to be foes to each other and this is really true over the history of mankind? one of you a foe unto the other!? and the earth will be the place to live on until the judgement day ?There shall be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a time.?

-> Verse 37 telling us that Adam was more responsible for the sin unlike other beliefs that Adam Partner was responsible, but the point is Adam knew of the mistake committed and he relented to Allah because Allah has warned him in advance ?Then Adam received from his Lord words, and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the Merciful.?, my note here that these Arabic words were translated wrong ? ? it actually means clearly that Allah has forgiven Adam after Adam relented to Allah, this forgiveness was a must because earth was the location for this life as intended by Allah before creating Adam, but Allah with his wisdom wanted this to be associated with a great lesson for humanity to watch for Satan and his progeny.

-> Verse 38 is the confirmation for humanity to live on earth with a promise from Allah that He will not leave us alone without his guidance ?We said Go down, all of you, from hence; but verily there cometh unto you from Me a guidance;? and sure humans who will follow the guidance shall have no fear neither they will grieve ?and whoso followeth My guidance, there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve?

-> Verse 39 tells us about the humans who will not follow the guidance that will be sent by Allah ?But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein.?

I will jump to a further location in the Quran where more details about some events within the story, this will show the consistency of the Quran

(26)?We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;?

(27)?And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.?

(2?Behold! thy Lord said to the angels "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;?

(29)"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

(30)?So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together?

(31)?Not so Iblis he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.?

(32)?(Allah) said "O Iblis! what is your reason for not being among those who prostrated themselves?"

(33)?(Iblis) said "I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."

(34)?(Allah) said "Then get thee out from here; for thou art rejected, accursed.?

(35)"And the curse shall be on thee till the day of Judgment."

(36)?(Iblis) said "O my Lord! give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised."
(37)?(Allah) said "Respite is granted thee?

(3"Till the Day of the Time appointed."

(39)?(Iblis) said "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong,-?

(40)"Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."

(41)?(Allah) said "This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed a way that leads straight to Me.?

(42)"For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong and follow thee."

(43)?And verily, Hell is the promised abode for them all!?

(44)?To it are seven gates for each of those gates is a (special) class (of sinners) assigned.?

We can see extra information regarding the first humans created as follow

-> Verse 26 , a new piece of information that humans are created from sounding clay moulded into shape ?We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;?

-> Verse 27 another new piece of information that Jinns are created from the fire of a scorching wind ?And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.?

-> Verse 28 shifts to Adam story again?Behold! thy Lord said to the angels "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;?

-> Verse 29 gives us more details on Adam creation "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit,? then when Adam be a live human after Allah breathed into him of His spirit, Allah is telling the angels to fall down unto Adam?fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

-> Verse 30 , tells us that all the Angels obeyed Allah?s command to fall down unto Adam?So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together?

-> Verse 31, but Iblis refused so as he had a choice unlike the Angels?Not so Iblis he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.?

-> Verse 32, Allah asked Iblis, why he refused to fall down unto Adam ?(Allah) said ?O Iblis! what is your reason for not being among those who prostrated themselves??"

-> Verse 33, Iblis responded with ?(Iblis) said ?I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape.", Iblis knew that Adam was created from sounding clay, moulded into shape and because he was created from fire Iblis thought he is better than humans

-> Verse 34, show us Allas response by ?(Allah) said "Then get thee out from here; for thou art rejected, accursed.? and Iblis was cursed by Allah

-> Verse 35 tells us that Iblis curse will be on him till the judgment day "And the curse shall be on thee till the day of Judgment.", sure this made Iblis hate humans more

-> Verse 36, Iblis requested that Allah give him a chance till the judgment day to prove to Him that humans do not deserve this respect ?(Iblis) said ?O my Lord! give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised.?"

-> Verse 37, Allah granted Iblis wish ?(Allah) said "Respite is granted thee?

-> Verse 38, and the wish was granted to Iblis till the judgment day as he requested from Allah "Till the Day of the Time appointed."

-> Verse 39, we see how Iblis was angry with Adam and how he promised to put all humans in the wrong ?(Iblis) said "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong,-?, but can you see how Iblis realized that he was played by God by raising him first to be one of the heaven residents then Allah created Adam and asked Iblis to fall down unto him, this is obvious from what Iblis said ? O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong? and in Arabic ? ?

-> Verse 40, Iblis is saying but he can not do this ?putting humans in the wrong? with the sincere believers in Allah "Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."

-> Verse 41, then Allah responded to Iblis ?(Allah) said "This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed a way that leads straight to Me.?, this actually is translated wrong again, the Arabic verse ? ? actually means that Allah is saying ?This is the straight truth that I will enforce? and what that straight truth is?, in the following verse is the answer

-> Verse 42, tells us what we should know by Allah as a truthful fact "For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong and follow thee." , that satan will have no authority over the sincere believers and only the people who put themselves in the wrong will follow him

-> Verse 43 tells us of the final destination of Iblis and his followers from Jinn and from mankind is ?And verily, Hell is the promised abode for them all!?

-> Verse 44 tell us a small description of that Hell promised in the last verse ?To it are seven gates for each of those gates is a (special) class (of sinners) assigned.?, so the Hell will have 7 gates, for each gate there will enter an assigned number of sinners, it seems that the sinners will be grouped in seven groups according to the level of sins committed, i.e the Hell has seven levels

Moving on to another location in the Quran where the story of Adam is mentioned again

(71) ?Behold, thy Lord said to the angels "I am about to create man from clay?

(72) "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

(73) ?So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together ?

(74) ?Not so Iblis he was haughty, and became one of those who reject Faith.?

(75)?(Allah) said "O Iblis! What prAdam Partnernts thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?"

(76) ?(Iblis) said "I am better than he thou createdst me from fire, and him thou createdst from clay."

(77)(Allah) said "Then get thee out from here for thou art rejected, accursed.?

(7 "And My curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment."

(79) ?(Iblis) said "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised."

(80) ?(Allah) said "Respite then is granted thee-?

(81) "Till the Day of the Time Appointed."

(82) ?(Iblis) said "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,- ?

(83)"Except Thy Servants amongst them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."

(84) ?(Allah) said "Then it is just and fitting- and I say what is just and fitting-?

(85) "That I will certainly fill Hell with thee and those that follow thee,- Adam Partnerry one."

-> I do not need to add my comments any more, the story is very detailed to what we need to know, it is almost the same as the previous location however if you compare the Arabic words between the 2 location you will start sensing the miracle of the Quran, the same story is said while changing the Arabic words and even using different words that will lead to the same and exact meaning, and this is an open gate to find any discrepancies in the Quran, because for a conman to keep track of what he is saying in a period of 23 years ?the time took for the whole Quran revelation? it is going to be damn hard and he has to make mistakes, especially if he tried to be smart and use different words to express the same and exact stories.

-> The only extra piece of information here is in verse 82, where it will show us how Iblis is swearing with Allah?s power to put all humans in the wrong ?(Iblis) said "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,- ?, this should give the impression, how Iblis will be so determined to put all humans in the wrong

Let?s jump again to another location in the Quran

(61) ?Behold! We said to the angels "Bow down unto Adam" They bowed down except Iblis He said, "Shall I bow down to one whom Thou didst create from clay?"

(62) ?He said "Seest Thou? this is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway - all but a few!"

(63) ?(Allah) said "Go thy way; if any of them follow thee, verily Hell will be the recompense of you (all)- an ample recompense.?

(64)"Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit.?

(65)"As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them" Enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs.?

-> Same story again in different Arabic words, this is a language miracle indeed, would that be possible for even a literate man? Well of course IT IS NOT POSSIBLE because the Quran has challenged humanity to make up ONE SURA like the Quran and the Quran did not stop here but asked the Jinn to support the humans as well, not enough?, well, the Quran asked humans who believe in other gods to ask for their assistance as well, and yet the Quran tells us the outcome of this challenge in advance, that NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO OT , I have a history of all trials if you would like to know it and see how it failed

-> The extra pieces of information in here are as follow

-> Verse 62, Iblis is saying that he will sway most people BUT A FEW ?He said "Seest Thou? this is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway ? all but a few!"

-> Verse 64, Allah is telling us what Iblis can do to us "Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit.?

Let?s move to another location in the Quran

(11)?It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate.?

(12)?(Allah) said "What prAdam Partnernted thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said "I am better than he Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."

(13) ?(Allah) said "Get thee down from this it is not for thee to be arrogant here get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."

(14)?He said "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."

(15) ?(Allah) said "Be thou among those who have respite."

(16)?He said "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way ?

(17) "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."

(1 ?(Allah) said "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.?

(19)"O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

(20) ?Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before) he said "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for Adam Partnerr."

(21)?And he swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.?

(22) ?So by deceit he brought about their fall when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"

(23) ?They said "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls If thou forgive us not and bestow not? (24)?(Allah) said "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."

(25)?He said "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)."

-> The Quran language miracle continues by telling the same exact story using different words, please compare the Arabic verses again if you can. Let?s look at the extra pieces of information that we can extract from these verses

-> Verse 17 telling us how Iblis will launch his continuous assaults against humans and sure most of us will follow him "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."

-> In verse 20 we can see how Iblis fooled Adam and his partner to convince them of eating from the forbidden tree ?Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before) he said "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for Adam Partnerr."

-> Verse 21, we can see another trick that Iblis used to fool Adam and his partner ?And he swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.?

-> Verse 22 we can also see that the moment Adam and his partner ate from the forbidden tree, and after Iblis ripped off their cloths and their genitals were exposed they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies ?So by deceit he brought about their fall when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. ", then Allah called Adam and his partner ?And their Lord called unto them "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"

-> In verse 23, Adam and his partner responded back to Allah ?They said "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls If thou forgive us not and bestow not?

-> In verse 24 we read that they were sent down to earth ?(Allah) said "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."

-> Verse 25 is one of my favourite verses in the Quran describing Earth ?He said "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)., in arabic ? ?

Let?s jump again to another location in the Quran, the last one regarding Adam and his partner

(115) ?We had already, beforehand, taken the covenant of Adam, but he forgot and We found on his part no firm resolve.?

(116) ?When We said to the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam", they prostrated themselves, but not Iblis he refused.?

(117) ?Then We said "O Adam! verily, this is an enemy to thee and thy wife so let him not get you both out of the Garden, so that thou art landed in misery.?

(11 "There is therein (enough provision) for thee not to go hungry nor to go naked,?

(119) "Nor to suffer from thirst, nor from the sun's heat."

(120) ?But Satan whispered evil to him he said, "O Adam! shall I lead thee to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that never decays?"

(121) ?In the result, they both ate of the tree, and so their nakedness appeared to them they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from the Garden thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allow himself to be seduced.?

(122) ?But his Lord chose him (for His Grace) He turned to him, and gave him Guidance.?

(123) ?He said "Get ye down, both of you,- all together, from the Garden, with enmity one to another but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery.?

-> Same language miracle continues and the only extra piece of info is seen here is within the advice by Allah to Adam not to touch the forbidden tree, Allah told Adam that if they violates then they will be removed from the Garden

-> Verse 117 ?Then We said "O Adam! verily, this is an enemy to thee and thy wife so let him not get you both out of the Garden, so that thou art landed in misery.?

-> Verse 118 and this is what Adam and his partner were enjoying in the garden "There is therein (enough provision) for thee not to go hungry nor to go naked,?, and sure that is why they become naked after they violated

-> Verse 119, as well Adam and his partner were enjoying the following in the garden "Nor to suffer from thirst, nor from the sun's heat."

The point is here, Adam and his partner story was very important to be detailed in Allah?s last message, you expect this if Allah is telling us that those are the first 2 humans He created and the rest of us came from them, and that is exactly whar he told this verse from the Quran

?O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.?

Finally if you don?t like or agree with any of the above, I?m sorry I can?t help it because the verses daid by Allah and they are very clear in the Arabic Quran

Next story is great, it is my writings and I hope you guys enjoy it, they all realted to My Adam

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[unknownuser]

Hi PM

see from my last comment it has to be concluded that Adam MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED FIRST

would you be able to find the clues or would you like a hand?

peace be with you

[phoenix1]

peace ahmed baghat

please stop attacking evolution for no reason. Evolution is a very slow process. The only things reproducing fast enough for us to observe evolution are bacteria and insects. And when bacteria become immune to an antibiotic, or insects become immune to insecticides, that's a perfect example of evolution. Also, i saw on this Rashad Khalifa video that Johnny K posted that there was a new species evolved from oranges called navel oranges. And he doesnt believe any of the evolution crap, but even he admitted it.

[unknownuser]

peace ahmed baghat

please stop attacking evolution for no reason. Evolution is a very slow process. The only things reproducing fast enough for us to observe evolution are bacteria and insects. And when bacteria become immune to an antibiotic, or insects become immune to insecticides, that's a perfect example of evolution. Also, i saw on this Rashad Khalifa video that Johnny K posted that there was a new species evolved from oranges called navel oranges. And he doesnt believe any of the evolution crap, but even he admitted it.

Peace bro,

sorry bro if attacking evolution upsets you, bro I really careless about a few species that are evolving, All I will care about is proving beyond doubts that Humans are evolving

Also those tine evolving species may be this is how Allah created them so the evolution followers are further mislead

peace

I

[unknownuser]

The Theory of Coincidence

By Ahmed Bahgat

We all can see the amazing system that controls the whole universe, its basics is physics laws that seem it do not change, who created this amazing system that is controlling every single atom in the universe, who designed, created then perfected this amazing system?, is it a god or a mere blind coincident

The atheists and enemy of God due to their failure and due to the veil on their hearts, eyes and ears, say life is a coincident, thinking that coincidence is a mathematical scientific rule which does not need a lot of researches, lately especially within the 20 century a few other scientists using the same concept of the mathematical coincidence to prove to the those ignorant fellow scientists that their concept is flawed and simply can not happen

To explain the mathematical coincidence concept, imagine you have a bag with 100 balls, 99 are black and one ball is white, shake the bag very well to mix the 100 balls, what do you think the chance of pulling the white ball first randomly?, sure it 1 to 100. What the chance then if we want to make 2 tries and in each try we pull the white ball first?, the chance will become 1 to 10000, and if we want to pull the white ball 3 consecutive times first without mistakes, our chance will become 1 to a million, and as we go increase the successful tries of pulling the white ball first, the chance will be almost zero

Another example, if we bring 10 play cards numbered from 1 to 10 then we mix them together and try to pull card no 1, the chance here is 1 to 10 , but if we want to pull card 1 first then card 2 second from another group of ten cards, it will be 1 to 100, and if we want to pull the cards in the right order from card one to card 10 from different groups of ten cards then we will end up with this chance 1 to 10 billion, i.e. 1 to 10,000,000,000, the amazing fact is not the 1 to 10 billion chance, rather the time needed to achieve the required result of pulling 10 cards in the order of 1 to 10 while each card pulled is one card out of ten

The funny point is this, imagine I was successful to pull the 10 cards in order from my first try, I?m 100% sure that everyone will accuse me of cheating, possibly by marking the cards for example

Let?s apply that mathematical coincidence theory ?the theory of probability? on a protein cell, the fundamental tissue in any living organs, the result will be shocking

There are 40,000 atoms in one protein cell, categorised under 5 elements, Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen and Sulphur. We know that all the chemical elements are 92 elements, thus the possibility for these 5 elements to coincidently combine to compose a single protein cell can be calculated and this will lead to the knowledge of the required amount of matter to be in continues random mixing to create the single protein cell, a Swiss mathematician calculated the probability to compose a single protein cell as 1 10 to the exponent of 160, it will look like this

1 / 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
000000000000000000000000000000000000000

This number has no name yet, believe me guys, also the same Swiss mathematician found that the required matter for the random and continuos mixing of the 92 elements will be more than the size of the universe millions of times and the required time to produce this chance of composing a single protein cell is 10 to the exponent of 243 year, and it will look like this

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Years

Again this number has no name yet, in fact this is far longer than the age of the universe by billions and billions of years

All this to produce a single protein cell that the microscope hardly sees it

What about the protoplasm that is the smallest kind of life?

And how long it needs to produce the complex life of all living plants?

And how long it needs to produce the more complex life of all living animals?

And finally And how long it needs to produce the most complex life of humans?

The above fact is shocking and is unimaginable by any human because this concept of creation suggested by the enemy of God, is nothing but a joke, and it results to its own failure and firmly concluding that life came to existence by coincidence is an absolute impossible and there will be no escape but to admit that God created everything we see or we do not see yet

It is God Who is the only One created the protein cell, in addition to giving it the secret of life which no scientist managed to crack yet, He is also the only One capable of combining all these protein cells in billions to create the plants, the animals and the humans, Allah the Almighty stated in His guidance message

?For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, ?Be?, and it is.?

(40)

?It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. To Him belongs the loftiest similitude (we can think of) in the heavens and the earth for He is Exalted in Might, full of wisdom.?

(27)

?Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the Guardian and Disposer of all affairs.?

(62)

It is so obvious that this coincidence theory is a collapsible one, in fact all the science that was discovered in the twenty century was the main reason for the collapse of this ignorant theory of coincidence, if we look at Darwin in his theory of evolution that humans are the descendants of monkeys, we will see that science proved that our protein cell structure is totally different to the monkeys, in fact most historical data shows that humans like us appeared all of a sudden on earth about 8000 to 10,000 years ago, in addition, the required time for the intelligent life to evolve will be far more than the age of the universe, and this alone is enough for Darwin theory to collapse and die

Dr Edward Luther ?Biology Professor, Uni of San Francisco? stated The natural election which represent the mechanical force for evolving can not create any thing, and all it is, a mere way for living organs to stay alive or die, and this is achieved by the reproduction between different types of living organs, however the living organs that has a complex structures must be the result of inheritance laws from their equivalent preceding living organs, this inheritance laws are not random and do not follow the coincidence concept as many atheist wrongly believe, there is no escape from admitting that there is wisdom and full control over all these creatures and the system law that they live within it, it is impossible to say there is a creature without a creator.

Allah the Almighty said in his guidance message to humanity

(12) ?And certainly We created man of an extract of clay,?

(13) ?Then We made him a small seed in a firm resting-place,?

(14) ?Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.?

(15) ?Then after that you will most surely die.?

(12)
(13)
(14)
(15)

Allah the Almighty also said

(6) ?This is the Knower of the unseen and the seen, the Mighty the Merciful,?

(7) ?Who made good everything that He has created, and He began the creation of man from dust.?

(?Then He made his progeny of an extract, of water held in light estimation.?

(9)?Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.?

(6)
(7)
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(9)

If we look into the human body we will see plenty of clear evidences and amazing systems that conclude humans can not be the creation of coincidence, rather the invention of a supreme very intelligent being that is capable of planning, designing and implementing at once, this being must be God, for example

1. The cells of our human bodies always in divide for the human body to grow or to compensate for the dead cells expect the nerve cells, as if the nerve cells starts to divide, a horrific consequence will happen, we will loose our memory

2. If we look at the muscles in the human body we will find that the strongest muscle is the uterus muscle in women, this is needed to help delivering the baby out, next will be the heart muscle, the organ that is working hard day and night to circulate the blood all over the body in a path that will circulate the whole earth if put the blood veins connected in serious and for about 100 years the heart continue working restless, sure we need the muscle heart to be strong

3. The living cell has a very strange matter called protoplasm, inside it there are very minute bodies that carry all the inheritance code called chromosomes, the chromosomes number has a specific total in all living plants and living animals, in humans chromosomes are 46 chromosomes, and when our cells start to divide from one cell to two cells then to four cells, every new cell must have these 46 chromosomes, if it does not then the human will be something else other than human, however there are cells in the human body that only have 23 chromosomes and when it divides the new cells will have 23 chromosomes, it will make sense to know that these cells are the cells within the sperms and eggs, then when a sperm combine an egg to produce a new human life the chromosomes numbers will be balanced back to 46 and the new life is created

4. It is known when we have an injury we start bleeding, however soon after the blood will start becoming thicker and thicker until it turns to solid status and blocks further bleeding, if this does not happen, the human will bleed to death,

5. The human stomach represent a self contained very advanced chemical laboratory, which automatically produce chemical substances in more quantities than any human laboratory ever produced, the stomach automatically start analysing the entering food, then it starts classifying the different food and grouping it in different groups , then breaks it down and start to supply it to every human cell from the billions of cells and according to their needs, i.e. what bones, nails, muscles, hair, eyes, ?etc need, the stomach also has a built in system to counter bacteria, rotten food and attacking viruses, what a system that is for just the stomach!

6. The human ear has very unique properties that left scientist amazed, its complexity in analysing the received frequencies accurately then sending it as an electric current via the nerves to a specific spot in the human brain that makes humans hear from the quietest sounds to the most noisiest sounds, but the amazing fact is this, the human ear does not respond to frequencies outside the range 20 to 20,000 frequency/second, this is actually very important for us to enjoy quietness otherwise we will go nuts hearing every frequency outside this range set by God, not set by coincident

7. The human eye is also very complicated, it has a crystallin lens that reflect an image on the retina using the eye muscles, the light pass through a small opening in the front of the eye called cornea, and between the cornea and the crystalline lens sits the Iris which has a small opening, the Iris can be of different colour from a human to another, the small opening in the Iris can narrow or widen according to the light strength, if the light is very bright the Iris opening will narrow to prevent damage to the Retina and vice verse. The Retina where the image is reflected is composed from few layers, the inner layer is composed from cones and cylinders shape tiny bodies that can be 125 million cylinders and 7 million cones where all of these bodies are perfectly and symmetrically arranged within the layer, scientists believe that the cylinder shape bodies are sensitive to the white colour, while the cone shape bodies are grouped in three groups that can sense red, green or blue each., the eye also does not respond to wave lengths outside a specific range similar to the ear

If I keep writing about the impossibly coincident facts about the human body that yet the scientist and doctors know very little about it, I will run out of papers and patience, let me say this, if it was a probability of 1 to 10 billion to withdrew 10 cards in a the order of 1 to 10, how will the probability be for the human body to coordinate all these systems together while evolving its self?

And when looking at the animals and the plants kingdoms we will discover zillions of facts that can not be coincident, however we have no room here for this discussion, but it is just another impossibility for the same coincident to happen to all these vast varieties of animals and plants in regard to the natural election concept, and regarding the internal and external composite of their matter and their different organs that works in amazing harmony and perfect cooperation for life to continue between all living things.

It is so ridiculous to believe that a pile of bricks, steel, timber, glass and cement when bombed randomly, that pile will become a beautiful house, a creator has to design then create the house from these elements, i.e. building the house can not happen coincidently

Despite scientists have discovered many facts about the human body and its elements, science never discovered the secret of life, the soul is the secret of life and is one of the great secrets in the universe, we can feel it but we do not know what it is, despite the matter existing in our bodies, the soul is totally different thing that we do not know but we know that it the soul will leave the body one day, Allah has told us about the soul in his Quran

?And they ask you about the soul. Say The soul is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little?

(85)

Surly the theory of coincidence failed to explain the secret of life exactly as the whole science discoveries so far failed to do the same, this lead to, the most respected scientist conceding the existing of our God, God has challenged those people who deny His existence or worship another self made gods to even try to create a fly while the fly that the real God created annoy them the least

(73)?O people! a parable is set forth, therefore listen to it surely those whom you call upon besides Allah cannot create fly, though they should all gather for it, and should the fly snatch away anything from them, they could not take it back from i weak are the invoker and the invoked?

(74)? They have not estimated Allah with the estimation that is due to Him; most surely Allah is Strong, Mighty.?

(73)
(74)

Indeed life with all its variety on planet earth was created for a divine reason , planet earth itself was very well prepared to suit the existence of life, as many of the essential needs for life was forced upon earth for it to exit, God Almighty stated

(20) ?On the earth are signs for those of assured Faith,?

(21) ?As also in your own selves Will ye not then see??

(20)
(21)

Thanks for reading

Peace

[unknownuser]

Peace all,

As per my understanding of the Quran and what nature/life has revealed throughout history or as far back as humans can recall, there isn't a slightest hint as to humans being evolved from another totally different species. Theories of scientists, such as Darwin, who claim that humans evolved from some other animal species/microrganisms millions of years ago is far-fetched and simply predictions, nothing else. I believe that humans are GOD's creation.

Oranges becoming naval oranges is an evolution within its own creation/specimen. It didn't transform into a watermelon or a pomegranate or a carrot, for example. That is what RK is speaking about in his video, to sum it up.

But I do have an 'unexpected' question to ask relative to evolution and wonder if anyone has ever witnessed, heard or seen anywhere a conception between a human and an animal? Though several other questions come in mind, this one will suffice for now.

[truth]

Oranges becoming naval oranges is an evolution within its own creation/specimen. It didn't transform into a watermelon or a pomegranate or a carrot, for example. That is what RK is speaking about in his video, to sum it up.

But I do have an 'unexpected' question to ask relative to evolution and wonder if anyone has ever witnessed, heard or seen anywhere a conception between a human and an animal? Though several other questions come in mind, this one will suffice for now.

Peace,

The biggest misconception is of one species transforming into another ie. carrot to an orange etc. This is not what evolution means. What you do see is an early prototypical plant which adapts or mutates a certain way - and that is a fork in the road - you don't go backwards or sideways.

As for human with other species conception - "Oliver" was said to be a humanzee though this is disputed and controversial. The ethics behind doing such experiments is a barrier against such "research". You can google "humanzee" to see for yourself.

Regards.

[truth]

Peace,

As for arguments about from a single soul - Ahmed Ali translates this ...

41 O MEN, FEAR your Lord who created you from a single cell, and from it created its mate, and from the two of them dispersed men and women (male and female) in multitudes. So fear God in whose name you ask of one another (the bond of) relationships. God surely keeps watch over you.

My explanation is above, where the first 'intelligent soul' able to learn language comes about. That is "Adam" so to speak; then other 'humans' are progressively created out of the existing creatures.

Why do I think this?

Because there is no mention of creation ex-nihilo - ie. out of thin air. There is a need for an underlying substrate - in this case the metaphor is clay. So there was something underlying the creation, and this was the animal like human prototype.

Regards.

[unknownuser]

Peace,

As for arguments about from a single soul - Ahmed Ali translates this ...

41 O MEN, FEAR your Lord who created you from a single cell, and from it created its mate, and from the two of them dispersed men and women (male and female) in multitudes. So fear God in whose name you ask of one another (the bond of) relationships. God surely keeps watch over you.

My explanation is above, where the first 'intelligent soul' able to learn language comes about. That is "Adam" so to speak; then other 'humans' are progressively created out of the existing creatures.

Peace Oben

sorry mate, the verse didn't say "one nafs was created then all the rest was created from it"

it said" one nafs was created then its mate was created from it then from both all the rest of humans came"

Regards

[unknownuser]

Peace Oben,

The biggest misconception is of one species transforming into another ie. carrot to an orange etc. This is not what evolution means.

And that is not what I meant either, therefore agreed.

As for human with other species conception - "Oliver" was said to be a humanzee though this is disputed and controversial. The ethics behind doing such experiments is a barrier against such "research". You can google "humanzee" to see for yourself.

I did a search on 'humanzee' and found the following. The bold and underlined speak for itself

The Chuman (also known as the Humanzee or Manpanzee depending on which species is the father and which is the mother) is a hypothetical chimpanzee/human hybrid. Chimpanzees and humans are very closely related (most agree that they have 98.4% of their DNA in common), leading to contested speculation that a hybrid is possible.

There has been no scientifically verified specimen, although one, a performing chimp named Oliver, was popularized during the 1970s as a possible Chuman/Humanzee. Genetic tests conducted at the University of Chicago concluded that, despite Oliver's somewhat unusual appearance and behaviour, he was a normal chimpanzee , he had the same number of chromosones as normal chimpanzees, but shared a slightly different gene code. The "hybrid" claims were possibly a promotional gimmick. As a result of being humanized (habituated to humans rather than to chimps), Oliver was said to be attracted to female humans, but did not mate with chimpanzees.

However, there have been reports and rumors of humanzees reportedly "for centuries". Peter Damain, in his 11th-century De bono religiosi status et variorum animatium tropologia, tells of a Count Gulielmus whose pet ape became his wife's lover. One day the ape became "mad with jealousy" on seeing the count lying with his wife that it fatally attacked him. Damain claims he was told about this incident by Pope Alexander II and shown an offspring claimed to be that of the ape and woman.

A more recent rumor states that there was a common chimpanzee impregnated by human sperm in a laboratory in China. The story goes on to say that people in the area caught word of what was going on in the lab and rioted in disgust. All the scientists were evidently killed. The rioters let the innocent chimp live but did not bother to unlock her cage. She was found dead from starvation.

Another popular rumor in circulation is that a human woman was impregnated (either through bestiality or rape, depending on the story) but that she aborted the "abomination" soon after she found out she was pregnant. These rumors are, to date, unsupported, and are likely best classified as urban legends.

Taken from http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee

'Truth', do you seriously believe that man was not a creation of its own species but evolved through primates, such as apes and monkeys; hence apes/monkeys evolving through other prior species and so on? Does Quran support these views at all?

[truth]

Peace,

As for arguments about from a single soul - Ahmed Ali translates this ...

41 O MEN, FEAR your Lord who created you from a single cell, and from it created its mate, and from the two of them dispersed men and women (male and female) in multitudes. So fear God in whose name you ask of one another (the bond of) relationships. God surely keeps watch over you.

My explanation is above, where the first 'intelligent soul' able to learn language comes about. That is "Adam" so to speak; then other 'humans' are progressively created out of the existing creatures.

Peace Oben

sorry mate, the verse didn't say "one nafs was created then all the rest was created from it"

it said" one nafs was created then its mate was created from it then from both all the rest of humans came"

Regards

I have no issue with this. In the part of the post you ignore it explains how this soul/intelligence is propagated in others once it occurs.

Apes have similar DNA, and morphology to humans, basic characteristics of our intelligence and yet they are not 'aware' in the same sense as humans. The conscious mind with intelligence and knowledge that it is accountable is unique to humans. It is this which represents the creation of "Adam".

The underlying clay is the substrate, and this I believe represents proto-humans. The creation does not occur from nothingness - from thin air but occured from an underlying creature.

Regards.

[truth]

'Truth', do you seriously believe that man was not a creation of its own species but evolved through primates, such as apes and monkeys; hence apes/monkeys evolving through other prior species and so on? Does Quran support these views at all?

Peace Danish,

You only have to look at some politicians to know that humans did come from apes - George Bush's remarkable chimp like face is well documented.

On a more serious note however, I do think there was an underlying substrate to the creation of Adam - the clay - represents this.

If you can believe that within a single cell (an embryo) lies the ability to unfold and produce billions upon billions of cells specialised to interact and make a human - then why is it so hard to believe that the whole history of evolution is not similar in a sense.

I think those who shy away from the theory of evolution are those with strongly Judaeo-Christian thought who look down upon animals and cannot recognise the animal in themselves. A snobbery of sorts.

Regards.

[unknownuser]

Salaamun alaikum,

A "Ghayb" is anything a human does not know

for example if there is a country called "BlaBla" and I know that because i have been there but you don't know that and you never heard about it then it is Ghayb to you but not to me

I would disagree with Ahmed here because the verse 27/20 says

And he took a muster of the Birds; and he said "Why is it I see not the Hoopoe? Or is he among the absentees? (am kaana min al-GHA'IBEEN)

Sulaimaan has knowledge of hudhud but at that point in time, hudhud wasn't present. So ghaib refers to being not-there.

Peace Mquran

Another case of indirect ?Non deliberate? manipulation, what can I say, well, I will continue to do what I do and leave the rest on Allah swt

Bro you are back to the same flawed method of root thingy, this is wrong bro and you will never understand the Quran properly this way, sorry to tell you that

Here the verse bro

?And he reviewed the birds, then said How is it I see not the hoopoe or is it that he is of the absentees??

(20)

-> While I?m disappointed to see Muslims brothers and sisters mixed up about the Arabic Quran, at the same time it makes want to laugh due to some of the very funny argument I see, those arguments are funny only in front of a native Arabic speaker BTW LOL

Why on earth Mquran you make two different words the same meaning?

Let?s look at the words again

? ? ,and ??

Both pronounced as follow

?Al Gha? eb? and ?Al Ghayb?

Absolutely different but yet COMMON Arabic words

=> The first word ? ?, on the wazn ?Al Fa?el? and means ?an entity that is absentee, must be MALE,

The female equivalent is ??? ie.an entity that is absentee, must be FEMALE,

The plural of males or (males and females) together is ?? ie, absentees,?,

The plural for females only is ??? ie. absentees, must be ?FEMALES",

=> The second word ??, on the wazn ?Al F?al? and means ONE THING ONLY, ?The Unknowns? or ?The Unseens?, ?it can apply on any thing you can imagine of?

See, this root method is 500% flawed simply because of the following

The Arabic words are derived from a 2/3/4 letters root to create different words with different meanings, ?IT HAS TO BE DIFFETENT MEANINGS? otherwise why we need to drive new words by adding new letters from the first? see, we can use the same 3 root letter for all the words if the meaning is the same, or what do you think?, I think the Hispanic language is sort of that type of an easy language where verbs may be nouns and things like that as far as I heard about it, I may be wrong though

Hence, each of the derived Arabic words has its own wazn, Irab, meaning and message and has noting to do with the root other than it was driven from it to create the new word, got it Mquran?

See, I can show you about 30 derived Arabic words from the root ?Na Sa Ra?, and if the words mean the same then why the hell I have to drive 30 of them from the first place?

Simply because new words were created and each has its own entity and is independence of the root meaning the moment it is used in any sentence.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE, the word ?? which means ?The unknowns? or ?The unseens? is plural and the singular form is ? ? which MUST BE FEMININE that is why we have the ?Ta Marboota? at the end, this is effect means it is the same as the female absentee Arabic word which is ? ? as I explained earlier, ONLY THE CONTEXT WILL CONTROL THE MEANING NOT THE FLAWED ROOT METHOD, I WONDER HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO SAY IT BRO?, can you please tell me that you don?t believe me so I don?t waste your time and my time again?, thanks bro

Here is a few examples man

1. 2720 above, the word used was ? ? and means ? absentees ? Male or (Males and Females) Plural?

2. 77, the word used was ? ? and means ?absentees? , the plural was used as matter of respect to the single God ?very commonly known

?Then most certainly We will relate to them with knowledge, and We were not absent.?

(7)

3. 8216, the word used was ? ? and means ?absentees?

14- ?And most surely the wicked are in burning fire,?

15- ?They shall enter it on the day of judgment.?

16- ?And they shall by no means be absent from it.?

(14)
(15)
(16)

-> 8216 should be translated as ?And they (The Koffar) shall not be absentees from Hell?

4. 775, we see an example of a single ?an unseen? which must be female as I explained earlier, the word used was ? ? without the ?Al? and means ? an unseen?, as you will see only the context defined its meaning

?And there is nothing unseen in the heaven and the earth but it is in a clear book.?

(75)

5. 23, the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen?

?Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.?

(3)

6. 1149, the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen?, and is linked to the stories of the past, that will always stay ?Ghayb? to us because we will never see it

?These are announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you, you did not know them-- (neither) you nor your people-- before this; therefore be patient; surely the end is for those who guard (against evil).?

(49)

7. 12102 and the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen?, and was linked again to the stories of the past as well is part of the revelation hence MUST BE BELIVED, as well confirming that Mohammad was not with them ie, was ?Ghayb? to Mohammad

?This is of the announcements relating to the unseen (which) We reveal to you, and you were not with them when they resolved upon their affair, and they were devising plans.?, and is linked to the stories of the past, that will always stay ?Ghayb? to us because we will never see it

(102)

1961, the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen? and was linked to the believe in the promise of paradise as believers only BELIEVE that it exists and they never saw it yet hence it is ?Ghayb? to them

?The gardens of perpetuity which the Beneficent Allah has promised to His servants while unseen; surely His promise shall come to pass.?

(61)

-> Can you see the words ?while unseen??

9. 1822, the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen? and was clearly used to describe those who will spread conjecture

?Some) say (They are) three, the fourth of them being their dog; and (others) say Five, the sixth of them being their dog, making conjectures at what is unknown; and (others yet) say Seven, and the eighth of them is their dog. Say My Lord best knows their number, none knows them but a few; therefore contend not in the matter of them but with an outward contention, and do not question concerning them any of them.?

(22)

10. 139, the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen? and we read that Allah is the one Who knows the unseen

?The knower of the unseen and the seen, the Great, the Most High.?

(9)

11. 2149, above and the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen?

?(For) those who fear their Lord in secret and they are fearful of the hour.?

(49)

12. 2765, the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen?, we can read clearly that ONLY Allah knows the ?Ghayb?, ie, not the Jinn, neither the Angels

?Say No one in the heavens and the earth knows the unseen but Allah; and they do not know when they shall be raised.?

(65)

13. 5335 above and the word used was ? ? and means ?The unseen?, you will see here how the knowing the unseen is linked to seeing it

?Has he the knowledge of the unseen so that he can see??

(35)

I hope you get the message this time bro, there is more examples if you wish to see them, the point is this, yes there is a similarity between the two words ? ? and ??

? ? Is an absentee of an event who can not see what is going on

?? Is what happened/happens/will happen in that event or any other event for that matter that was not seen by the eyes

Peace

[unknownuser]

question of incest comes adam & eve were the 1st to evolve humans.

Well i dont see any quote anywhere or in these posts, which says adam & eve were MARRIED.

werent they spouce/partner to eachother ?

'childern of mquran' cannot be called mine. they are his. WE r called childern of adam, there cant be more MONEKYZEE fathers, monkeyzee or as quoted humanzee is out of logic.

hence evolved from a single cell

[shamsul-arefin]

Knowledge is unseen in its pure form. It manifests to every individual in unique way as nature allows it.

Knowledge is God in its pure and complete form.

shanti/peace

[mquran]

AB Another case of indirect Non deliberate manipulation, what can I say, well, I will continue to do what I do and leave the rest on Allah swt

It's sad that you need to employ such a word 'manipulation'. Perhaps that temper of yours will fly if I said that you're non-deliberately kidding yourself by telling yourself you're Quranic. To me, you're not Quranic at all because you still employ methods foriegn to al-quraan. I will prove it below.

Bro you are back to the same flawed method of root thingy, this is wrong bro and you will never understand the Quran properly this way, sorry to tell you that

I appreciate you feeling sorry for me but I'm happy with my understanding and will strive to understand more with my current methodology. You should feel sorry for yourself because with your methodology of 'furqanising' the Arabic language, you will forever be stuck in the rut of consigning al-quraan to be its slave. Just look as your 'nasara' fiasco.

See, this root method is 500% flawed simply because of the following The Arabic words are derived from a 2/3/4 letters root to create different words with different meanings, IT HAS TO BE DIFFETENT MEANINGS otherwise why we need to drive new words by adding new letters from the first? see, we can use the same 3 root letter for all the words if the meaning is the same, or what do you think?, I think the Hispanic language is sort of that type of an easy language where verbs may be nouns and things like that as far as I heard about it, I may be wrong though

I never said it has the SAME meaning. I take roots to provide an underlying meaning which is systematically expounded by the act of 'wazan-isation' of a word. Therefore 'al-ghaibeen' in the maqaam of 27/20 will give us a physical experience of the nature of ghaib-ness. My proof of this is that al-quraan calls itself kitaaban mutashabihan mathany (39/23). Both words are tasbih to one another and are repeated. Why then would Allah mean 2 different things? Did He run out of words?

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AB Another case of indirect ?Non deliberate? manipulation, what can I say, well, I will continue to do what I do and leave the rest on Allah swt

It's sad that you need to employ such a word 'manipulation'.

excuse me bro, there is nothing wrong with NON DELIBERATE manipulations, it is just an accident at the end

Perhaps that temper of yours will fly if I said that you're non-deliberately kidding yourself by telling yourself you're Quranic.

sure i can see it flying lol

To me, you're not Quranic at all because you still employ methods foriegn to al-quraan. I will prove it below.

Fine, I relly care what I'm to Alah no to you or to my wife for that matter lol , but let me read how you can prove it

Bro you are back to the same flawed method of root thingy, this is wrong bro and you will never understand the Quran properly this way, sorry to tell you that

I appreciate you feeling sorry for me but I'm happy with my understanding and will strive to understand more with my current methodology.

sure

You should feel sorry for yourself because with your methodology of 'furqanising' the Arabic language,

furqanising' the Arabic language shock , well that should sound funny more than serious lol

you will forever be stuck in the rut of consigning al-quraan to be its slave.

consigning al-quraan to be its slave. shock , far out bro, what was that?, what is this slave thingy?

Just look as your 'nasara' fiasco.

yep I'm waiting for you to concede as a man and a good muslim who is Quranic

See, this root method is 500% flawed simply because of the following The Arabic words are derived from a 2/3/4 letters root to create different words with different meanings, ?IT HAS TO BE DIFFETENT MEANINGS? otherwise why we need to drive new words by adding new letters from the first? see, we can use the same 3 root letter for all the words if the meaning is the same, or what do you think?, I think the Hispanic language is sort of that type of an easy language where verbs may be nouns and things like that as far as I heard about it, I may be wrong though

I never said it has the SAME meaning. I take roots to provide an underlying meaning which is systematically expounded by the act of 'wazan-isation' of a word. Therefore 'al-ghaibeen' in the maqaam of 27/20 will give us a physical experience of the nature of ghaib-ness. My proof of this is that al-quraan calls itself kitaaban mutashabihan mathany (39/23). Both words are tasbih to one another and are repeated. Why then would Allah mean 2 different things? Did He run out of words?

sorry bro i could no make any sense form the above, but don't worry man, let's leave it at that

but you said earlier you will prove below that I employ methods foriegn to al-quraan.and I could see you proving it yet

peace

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excuse me bro, there is nothing wrong with NON DELIBERATE manipulations, it is just an accident at the end

Do you know what manipulation is? A believer is supposed to say 'same'na wa atha'na', not manipulate anything. And I didn't manipulate anything. The arabic language was manipulated yes. To this day, its entirety believes 'hadith' means 'hadith of the messenger'. That's how accurate it is.

furqanising' the Arabic language , well that should sound funny more than serious

It's a tragi-comedy no doubt. After all the sunni linguistics you've accepted, you still call yourself Quranic! How is this, mate ?

Furqanising the arabic language means, whatever you see in the dictionary, THAT'S what you will take to be the Quranic meaning. That's why your furqaan isn't al-quraan but al-qamoos.

yep I'm waiting for you to concede as a man and a good muslim who is Quranic

I don't mind being corrected at all. However, I expected to be corrected with something more substantial than 'my dictionary says so'.

but you said earlier you will prove below that I employ methods foriegn to al-quraan.and I could see you proving it yet

The above WAS my proof. Let me say it again for you because I feel you're an honest guy and perhaps I wasnt clear.

This is how it works for me.

Al-quraan is kitaaban mutashabihan mathany. This is means it has repeated similarities inside. Further, it tells us to 'rattilul quraanan tarteela' or compile the similarities within al-quraan. Ghaib and ghaibeen come from the same root. Therefore, compiling them on this basis would give us a clear picture of ghaib. 27/20 is something we can readily experience. Sulaimaan couldnt find hud2 and he said hud2 is from al-ghaibeen. Can you imagine what he meant ? Well, carry this meaning forward into other contexts and see.