what in the devil's name is 666?
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This would be from the Biblical Book of Revelation...one of the main books that the authors of the Koran used in the construction of their opus...
you keep saying the authors of the Quran, well, where the hell are they?
or they are hiding in your mind only?
possibly your mind is influenced with the christianity coruption via the 4 authors of your Bible hence you think the Quran must have a few authors as well? lol
well, if it has a few authors as you ignorantly think, why they have hidden themselves for 1425 years?
can you name one single author from the authors of the Quran?
i can name 4 authors for the the corrupt bible, do you know them? they also contradict eachother, would you like to know more?
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Peace be upon you Pheonix1,
idolfree1 said something like "the number of the beast, they say, is 666."
so my question is, "who's they?"just curious about what this is.
Wow, I didnt remember I spoke about that on this forum
I dont think anyone can answer as to who "they" are, just like we cant answer who wrote this "Koran", or "Bible", or anything like that. But honestly, the "they" doesnt matter, all we should care about is "does the info check out, can we verify it".
The message I got about "666 being the number of the beast" is that there is an ANIMAL(emotional) part to man. It is nourished by the BREATH. It is the animal(emotions) that we have to overcome and we do this by SLOWING DOWN the breathing. The average rate of breathing for a human is 18 breaths per minute(6+6+6), when we slow this down with deep long breaths, the animal loses its power.
When we look at life, we see that a person, when they get emotional, start to breath fast and choppy, just look at a child who gets disciplined. Next time you get very emotional, stop and witness your breath, you will confirm this for yourself.
There is much more detail to this, but that the verifyable basics.
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This would be from the Biblical Book of Revelation...one of the main books that the authors of the Koran used in the construction of their opus...
you keep saying the authors of the Quran, well, where the hell are they?
or they are hiding in your mind only?
This can go a couple of ways...
The authors of the Koran can be the ones that put pen to paper and translated the Biblical Hebrew and Greek into Arabic.
And/or...
It can refer to the Biblical authors material that was used in the construction of the Koran.
The evidence points to both.
More than likely, as we can see from the prolific usage of Biblical authors, the Koranic authors were perhaps Christians themselves - or individuals initmate with both the OT & NT...
possibly your mind is influenced with the christianity coruption via the 4 authors of your Bible hence you think the Quran must have a few authors as well? lol
If you feel this way, then your book of faith is also corrupt, as the same material has been copied-over into your book of faith...
well, if it has a few authors as you ignorantly think, why they have hidden themselves for 1425 years?
First of all, there are no extant korans dating back anywhere near 1400+ years.
This if fact.
Secondly, and most importantly, the Koran tells us plainly that it merely copied the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures.
You don't need a so-called "prophet" to do this...
can you name one single author from the authors of the Quran?
Sure.
John.
i can name 4 authors for the the corrupt bible, do you know them?
These would be the same ones that were used in your book of faith...would they not?
they also contradict eachother, would you like to know more?
Then what does that say regarding your book of faith that was pieced together from the same Biblical material...?
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
Does it take a "prophet" to copy the stories of virgin births and ressurections from before so called Jesus' time into the Bible?
When will you turn an eye to your Bible when you scream "copycat"?
Apple Pie, all truth is ONE TRUTH, that which comes later confirms what was before it. We dont need to pick books and fight them one against the other, we need to verify all statements and uphold them unified.
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
Does it take a "prophet" to copy the stories of virgin births and ressurections from before so called Jesus' time into the Bible?
When will you turn an eye to your Bible when you scream "copycat"?
Apple Pie, all truth is ONE TRUTH, that which comes later confirms what was before it. We dont need to pick books and fight them one against the other, we need to verify all statements and uphold them unified.
If you believe this, then you should have no issue with your book of faith proclaiming the divinity of Jesus... wink
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
If you believe this, then you should have no issue with your book of faith proclaiming the divinity of Jesus
If the stories were literal, then I would have no problem, but the stories are metaphorical. Isa is indeed the savior, because Isa represents the WILL of man, that is born of the PURE MIND removed from tradition (what your fathers followed blindly). When you have no WILL, you are asleep, dead, just following the blind emotions.
(4159) And that from The Book's people, except to believe (E) with him (Jesus) before his (the individual's) death, and (at) the time of ressurection, he (Jesus) will be on them a witness/testifier.
Its not about worhipping a dead jewish man, its about recognizing and awakening the WILL to direct the animal within you. We MOUNT the horse, we dont get dragged behind it.
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
If you believe this, then you should have no issue with your book of faith proclaiming the divinity of Jesus
If the stories were literal, then I would have no problem, but the stories are metaphorical.
Please show us why you feel this way...
Isa is indeed the savior, because Isa represents the WILL of man, that is born of the PURE MIND removed from tradition (what your fathers followed blindly). When you have no WILL, you are asleep, dead, just following the blind emotions.
Jesus is not only the Savior of mankind (like you already acknowledge), but He is God Almighty...like your book of faith proclaims...
(4159) And that from The Book's people, except to believe (E) with him (Jesus) before his (the individual's) death, and (at) the time of ressurection, he (Jesus) will be on them a witness/testifier.
Even the literal rendering acknowledges Jesus' death on the cross and Resurrection.
Too bad you did not show the full context of your example ayah...
Its not about worhipping a dead jewish man, its about recognizing and awakening the WILL to direct the animal within you. We MOUNT the horse, we dont get dragged behind it.
Jesus is not dead...of which is acknowledged even by your book of faith.
Perhaps, when you realize this, you will begin to see that the authors who penned your book of faith understood that Jesus is God Almighty.
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
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If you believe this, then you should have no issue with your book of faith proclaiming the divinity of JesusIF1
If the stories were literal, then I would have no problem, but the stories are metaphorical.AP
Please show us why you feel this way...It has nothing to do with FEELING, but everything to do with verification and reflection. Sticks dont turn into snakes, seas dont split, men dont fit all the animals in a boat, men dont live in whales bellies, men dont bring the literal dead to life, etc etc etc.
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Isa is indeed the savior, because Isa represents the WILL of man, that is born of the PURE MIND removed from tradition (what your fathers followed blindly). When you have no WILL, you are asleep, dead, just following the blind emotions.AP
Jesus is not only the Savior of mankind (like you already acknowledge),I acknowledge that the WILL in man is that which "saves" him, that is what the story of Isa, son of Miram teaches as well as the Story of Ausar, where Heru (where we get Hero) represented the WILL that was born from Auset as a virgin birth, WAAAAAAAY before any Bible.
but He is God Almighty...like your book of faith proclaims...
The WILL of man is a part of being, not the WHOLE of Being(God). When you stop blindly believing in people that have no evidence historically, then you will start to understand, then you wont want to fight others whose nature is PEACE, what is your nature?
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(4159) And that from The Book's people, except to believe (E) with him (Jesus) before his (the individual's) death, and (at) the time of ressurection, he (Jesus) will be on them a witness/testifier.Even the literal rendering acknowledges Jesus' death on the cross and Resurrection.
Are we reading the same thing? The verse says that EACH PERSON, before thier death must trust in the WILL(isa), and when we are at the final judgement, the WILL will be a testifier against us.
In ancient Kemet, the scene of the final judgement is when the heart(will) is weighed against the feather. It indicates that your actions should not be motivated by emotion(force), instead light as a feather (no emotion/force/compulsion).
Too bad you did not show the full context of your example ayah...
(4157) And their saying "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son, God's messenger, and they have not killed him, and they have not crucified him/placed him on a cross, and but (it) resembled/was vague/was doubtful to them, and that those who disagreed/disputed in (about) him (are) in (E) doubt/suspicion from him, (there is) no knowledge for them with (about) him, except following the assumption , and they have not killed him surely/certainly.
The CONTEXT is saying, they got it wrong when they took the story literally. A metaphor was shown to them...basically you must go through the crossroads of life and DIE of the flesh(animal nature) to ge to the God. The crossroads are teh trials of life, the animal wants you to respond emotionally, we must die to that nature and become divine.
The Bible says that Jesus said "And you shall do greater things than me", or something of that nature, please explain what that means.
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Its not about worhipping a dead jewish man, its about recognizing and awakening the WILL to direct the animal within you. We MOUNT the horse, we dont get dragged behind it.Jesus is not dead...of which is acknowledged even by your book of faith.
The Jesus you are talking about, well I wont say he is dead cause I have no evidence that he lived. The WILL of most men is slumbering, needs to be awakened.
Perhaps, when you realize this, you will begin to see that the authors who penned your book of faith understood that Jesus is God Almighty.
That doesnt seem to add up to the folowing.
(517) Rejectors indeed are those who said "Surely The God, He is the Messiah Mary's son." ...
Lastly, for the record, I dont have a book of faith except the universe itself. So when you debate with me, be prepared to look before the Bible, that copying this and that stuff wont stand up over here. Try that on those who dont know. D
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Peace be upon you Pheonix1,
You are welcome, I hope it has been helpful for you in this journey.
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
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If you believe this, then you should have no issue with your book of faith proclaiming the divinity of JesusIF1
If the stories were literal, then I would have no problem, but the stories are metaphorical.AP
Please show us why you feel this way...It has nothing to do with FEELING, but everything to do with verification and reflection. Sticks dont turn into snakes, seas dont split, men dont fit all the animals in a boat, men dont live in whales bellies, men dont bring the literal dead to life, etc etc etc.
And?.these are all things mentioned in your book of faith?as copied from the Holy Bible...
Again?pick a specific example and show us exactly where the metaphor comes into play?
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Isa is indeed the savior, because Isa represents the WILL of man, that is born of the PURE MIND removed from tradition (what your fathers followed blindly). When you have no WILL, you are asleep, dead, just following the blind emotions.AP
Jesus is not only the Savior of mankind (like you already acknowledge),I acknowledge that the WILL in man is that which "saves" him, that is what the story of Isa, son of Miram teaches as well as the Story of Ausar, where Heru (where we get Hero) represented the WILL that was born from Auset as a virgin birth, WAAAAAAAY before any Bible.
Waaaaay before the authors of the Koran copied it?.
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but He is God Almighty...like your book of faith proclaims...The WILL of man is a part of being, not the WHOLE of Being(God). When you stop blindly believing in people that have no evidence historically, then you will start to understand, then you wont want to fight others whose nature is PEACE, what is your nature?
Then when will you stop believing in Islam?s ?prophet? who has no historical evidence?.?
Nor is he even mentioned in your book of faith.
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(4159) And that from The Book's people, except to believe (E) with him (Jesus) before his (the individual's) death, and (at) the time of ressurection, he (Jesus) will be on them a witness/testifier.Even the literal rendering acknowledges Jesus' death on the cross and Resurrection.
Are we reading the same thing? The verse says that EACH PERSON, before thier death must trust in the WILL(isa), and when we are at the final judgement, the WILL will be a testifier against us.
I?m reading the classic Arabic?.how about you?.?
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Too bad you did not show the full context of your example ayah...(4157) And their saying "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son, God's messenger, and they have not killed him, and they have not crucified him/placed him on a cross, and but (it) resembled/was vague/was doubtful to them, and that those who disagreed/disputed in (about) him (are) in (E) doubt/suspicion from him, (there is) no knowledge for them with (about) him, except following the assumption , and they have not killed him surely/certainly.
The CONTEXT is saying, they got it wrong when they took the story literally. A metaphor was shown to them...basically you must go through the crossroads of life and DIE of the flesh(animal nature) to ge to the God. The crossroads are teh trials of life, the animal wants you to respond emotionally, we must die to that nature and become divine.
If you were going to show the context of your initial ?proof text?, then why did you skip completely over 4.158??
4.158 completely and utterly erases what is said in 4.157.
We have already covered this ground in other threads.
The Bible says that Jesus said "And you shall do greater things than me", or something of that nature, please explain what that means.
Give us the verse?
If you want to know what it says at least have the common courtesy to be cognizant of where it came from?
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Its not about worhipping a dead jewish man, its about recognizing and awakening the WILL to direct the animal within you. We MOUNT the horse, we dont get dragged behind it.Jesus is not dead...of which is acknowledged even by your book of faith.
The Jesus you are talking about, well I wont say he is dead cause I have no evidence that he lived. The WILL of most men is slumbering, needs to be awakened.
Your book of faith said that He lived?.and that He lives now?and that He is God Almighty.
What do you doubt regarding your book of faith??
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Perhaps, when you realize this, you will begin to see that the authors who penned your book of faith understood that Jesus is God Almighty.That doesnt seem to add up to the folowing.
(517) Rejectors indeed are those who said "Surely The God, He is the Messiah Mary's son." ...
If it does not add up, then start studying the classic Arabic that you are entrusting your eternal soul towards.
Also, stop taking your ?proof-texts? out of context.
When you do these two things, then you will be cognizant of what you must believe in as truth?
Lastly, for the record, I dont have a book of faith except the universe itself. So when you debate with me, be prepared to look before the Bible, that copying this and that stuff wont stand up over here. Try that on those who dont know.
Then?.is it safe to say that the Koran is meaningless to you??
Even though you constantly quote (out of context) from the English versions (never the Arabic in which it was written), hoping to somehow validate your position?
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Peace
Apple Pie, the truth is not about what's in the bible or the quran, but what we can verify as truth based on the laws of this universe. The bible and the quran, or any other book for that matter, can be used as guidance. They can lead us to the truth. But the truth itself is manifest in the world surrounding us. If something, in any book, goes against this world (that God created) then its not true.
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Peace be upon you Aple Pie,
IF1
It has nothing to do with FEELING, but everything to do with verification and reflection. Sticks dont turn into snakes, seas dont split, men dont fit all the animals in a boat, men dont live in whales bellies, men dont bring the literal dead to life, etc etc etc.AP
And?.these are all things mentioned in your book of faith?I dont have a book of faith except the universe itself, which includes all signs.
Again?pick a specific example and show us exactly where the metaphor comes into play?
Better yet, go throw a stick and see if it turns into a snake, then tell me where metaphor does not come into play D
I have explained many of the metaphors all over this forum, please have a look.
IF1
I acknowledge that the WILL in man is that which "saves" him, that is what the story of Isa, son of Miram teaches as well as the Story of Ausar, where Heru (where we get Hero) represented the WILL that was born from Auset as a virgin birth, WAAAAAAAY before any Bible.Waaaaay before the authors of the Koran copied it?.
And what does that say about the Bible in regards of "copying"? Please stop tip toeing around it and be straightfoward.
IF1
The WILL of man is a part of being, not the WHOLE of Being(God). When you stop blindly believing in people that have no evidence historically, then you will start to understand, then you wont want to fight others whose nature is PEACE, what is your nature?AP
Then when will you stop believing in Islam?s ?prophet? who has no historical evidence?.?If you took a moment to be receptive and listen instead of trying to impose religion on others, you would know that I dont support any prophet Muhammad. Many people on here constantly debate me on this issue. Thou shalt not bear false witness, remember? D You see, I am fair and equal with my statements, no proof of Jesus, no proof of Muhammad. However with you its 'Koran is a copy" but Bible somehow skips that attribute.
Nor is he even mentioned in your book of faith.
If you mean Muhammad,then yes, I agree. Muhammad only means someone who posesses "hamd".
IF1
Are we reading the same thing? The verse says that EACH PERSON, before thier death must trust in the WILL(isa), and when we are at the final judgement, the WILL will be a testifier against us.AP
I?m reading the classic Arabic?.how about you?.?I'm reading the translation I just gave you.
AP
If you were going to show the context of your initial ?proof text?, then why did you skip completely over 4.158??4.158 completely and utterly erases what is said in 4.157.
We have already covered this ground in other threads.
(415 But The God rose him (Isa) to Him, and The God is glorious/mighty , wise/judicious.
The God is the DIVINE within you, we raise the WILL up to the divine so that we CHOOSE what the God wills, otherwise we might use the WILL for wicked purposes. We must die of the animal at the crossroads, as 4157's true metaphor was speaking of.
IF1
The Bible says that Jesus said "And you shall do greater things than me", or something of that nature, please explain what that means.AP
Give us the verse?If you want to know what it says at least have the common courtesy to be cognizant of where it came from?
John 1412 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
IF1
The Jesus you are talking about, well I wont say he is dead cause I have no evidence that he lived. The WILL of most men is slumbering, needs to be awakened.AP
Your book of faith said that He lived?.and that He lives now?and that He is God Almighty.Once again, I dont have a book of faith, but a Universe of Knowledge. The book called Koran that you are speaking of is full of metaphorical stories, just like the Bible.
What do you doubt regarding your book of faith??
I wont answer this anymore.
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Perhaps, when you realize this, you will begin to see that the authors who penned your book of faith understood that Jesus is God Almighty.IF1
That doesnt seem to add up to the folowing.(517) Rejectors indeed are those who said "Surely The God, He is the Messiah Mary's son." ...
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If it does not add up, then start studying the classic Arabic that you are entrusting your eternal soul towards.I dont rely on faith, but knowledge. Do you care to elaborate on the error you see? I hope you will not start giving me empty responses like this one.
Also, stop taking your ?proof-texts? out of context.
When you do these two things, then you will be cognizant of what you must believe in as truth?
Examples please.
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Lastly, for the record, I dont have a book of faith except the universe itself. So when you debate with me, be prepared to look before the Bible, that copying this and that stuff wont stand up over here. Try that on those who dont know.Then?.is it safe to say that the Koran is meaningless to you??
No, it is very meaningful, even so the Bible, and the Book of coming forth by day, etc etc, but I dont blindly believe any of them.
Even though you constantly quote (out of context) from the English versions (never the Arabic in which it was written), hoping to somehow validate your position?
I'll await your corrections.
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Peace be upon you Pheonix1,
Your signature is fantastic
""Be not angry that you cannot make others as you wish them to be, since you cannot make yourself as you wish to be."
Very wise.
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Peace
Apple Pie, the truth is not about what's in the bible or the quran, but what we can verify as truth based on the laws of this universe. The bible and the quran, or any other book for that matter, can be used as guidance. They can lead us to the truth. But the truth itself is manifest in the world surrounding us. If something, in any book, goes against this world (that God created) then its not true.
Does this mean that you take the Holy Bible as Universal truth...?
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Peace be upon you Aple Pie,
IF1
It has nothing to do with FEELING, but everything to do with verification and reflection. Sticks dont turn into snakes, seas dont split, men dont fit all the animals in a boat, men dont live in whales bellies, men dont bring the literal dead to life, etc etc etc.AP
And?.these are all things mentioned in your book of faith?I dont have a book of faith except the universe itself, which includes all signs.
Then why quote from the Koran if the Universe is all that what matters to you?.?
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Again?pick a specific example and show us exactly where the metaphor comes into play?Better yet, go throw a stick and see if it turns into a snake, then tell me where metaphor does not come into play
I have explained many of the metaphors all over this forum, please have a look.
Please explain to us why the authors of the Koran copied this Biblical ?metaphor??and specifically what it means to you?.
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I acknowledge that the WILL in man is that which "saves" him, that is what the story of Isa, son of Miram teaches as well as the Story of Ausar, where Heru (where we get Hero) represented the WILL that was born from Auset as a virgin birth, WAAAAAAAY before any Bible.Waaaaay before the authors of the Koran copied it?.
And what does that say about the Bible in regards of "copying"? Please stop tip toeing around it and be straightfoward.
This tells us that you would have to establish your assertion based upon the original languages such as I have always done?
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The WILL of man is a part of being, not the WHOLE of Being(God). When you stop blindly believing in people that have no evidence historically, then you will start to understand, then you wont want to fight others whose nature is PEACE, what is your nature?AP
Then when will you stop believing in Islam?s ?prophet? who has no historical evidence?.?If you took a moment to be receptive and listen instead of trying to impose religion on others, you would know that I dont support any prophet Muhammad. Many people on here constantly debate me on this issue. Thou shalt not bear false witness, remember? You see, I am fair and equal with my statements, no proof of Jesus, no proof of Muhammad.
This is great to hear? wink
However with you its 'Koran is a copy" but Bible somehow skips that attribute.
The Koran makes this statement repeatedly about itself.
If you ever bothered to study the classic Arabic, in which it was written, then you would be cognizant of this already.
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Nor is he even mentioned in your book of faith.If you mean Muhammad,then yes, I agree. Muhammad only means someone who posesses "hamd".
Exactly?
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Are we reading the same thing? The verse says that EACH PERSON, before thier death must trust in the WILL(isa), and when we are at the final judgement, the WILL will be a testifier against us.AP
I?m reading the classic Arabic?.how about you?.?I'm reading the translation I just gave you.
Which is not classic Arabic?.but a second-hand English translation of which you have not verified yourself?.obviously? roll
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If you were going to show the context of your initial ?proof text?, then why did you skip completely over 4.158??4.158 completely and utterly erases what is said in 4.157.
We have already covered this ground in other threads.
(415 But The God rose him (Isa) to Him, and The God is glorious/mighty , wise/judicious.
The God is the DIVINE within you, we raise the WILL up to the divine so that we CHOOSE what the God wills, otherwise we might use the WILL for wicked purposes. We must die of the animal at the crossroads, as 4157's true metaphor was speaking of.
Tell us of your understanding of the Arabic word ?bal??.? shock
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The Bible says that Jesus said "And you shall do greater things than me", or something of that nature, please explain what that means.AP
Give us the verse?If you want to know what it says at least have the common courtesy to be cognizant of where it came from?
John 1412 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
Joh 1410 Believest4100 thou not3756 that3754 I1473 am in1722 the3588 Father,3962 and2532 the3588 Father3962 in1722 me?1698 the3588 words4487 that3739 I1473 speak2980 unto you5213 I speak2980 not3756 of575 myself1683 but1161 the3588 Father3962 that dwelleth3306 in1722 me,1698 he846 doeth4160 the3588 works.2041
Joh 1411 Believe4100 me3427 that3754 I1473 am in1722 the3588 Father,3962 and2532 the3588 Father3962 in1722 me1698 or else1490 believe4100 me3427 for the very works' sake.1223, 3588, 846, 2041
Joh 1412 Verily,281 verily,281 I say3004 unto you,5213 He that believeth4100 on1519 me,1691 the3588 works2041 that3739 I1473 do4160 shall he do also;2548, 4160 and2532 greater3187 works than these5130 shall he do;4160 because3754 I1473 go4198 unto4314 my3450 Father.3962
Joh 1413 And2532 whatsoever3748, 302 ye shall ask154 in1722 my3450 name,3686 that5124 will I do,4160 that2443 the3588 Father3962 may be glorified1392 in1722 the3588 Son.5207
Context shows that Jesus and God are One.
Just as declared in the Koran?.that you slavishly quote from?
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The Jesus you are talking about, well I wont say he is dead cause I have no evidence that he lived. The WILL of most men is slumbering, needs to be awakened.AP
Your book of faith said that He lived?.and that He lives now?and that He is God Almighty.Once again, I dont have a book of faith, but a Universe of Knowledge. The book called Koran that you are speaking of is full of metaphorical stories, just like the Bible.
Interesting that you claim no book of faith?.and then turn right around and constantly quote from it to buttress your position?
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Perhaps, when you realize this, you will begin to see that the authors who penned your book of faith understood that Jesus is God Almighty.IF1
That doesnt seem to add up to the folowing.(517) Rejectors indeed are those who said "Surely The God, He is the Messiah Mary's son." ...
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If it does not add up, then start studying the classic Arabic that you are entrusting your eternal soul towards.I dont rely on faith, but knowledge. Do you care to elaborate on the error you see? I hope you will not start giving me empty responses like this one.
It appears that you just now (again) relied on this out-of-context Koranic passage to somehow ?prove? a point of yours?
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Also, stop taking your ?proof-texts? out of context.When you do these two things, then you will be cognizant of what you must believe in as truth?
Examples please.
4.159?.
Have you already forgotten?.?
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Lastly, for the record, I dont have a book of faith except the universe itself. So when you debate with me, be prepared to look before the Bible, that copying this and that stuff wont stand up over here. Try that on those who dont know.Then?.is it safe to say that the Koran is meaningless to you??
No, it is very meaningful, even so the Bible, and the Book of coming forth by day, etc etc, but I dont blindly believe any of them.
But?..you slavishly keep right on quoting from the Koran to ?prove? your point?
What logic is this??
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Isa is indeed the savior, because Isa represents the WILL of man, that is born of the PURE MIND removed from tradition (what your fathers followed blindly). When you have no WILL, you are asleep, dead, just following the blind emotions.
Jesus is not only the Savior of mankind (like you already acknowledge), but He is God Almighty...like your book of faith proclaims...
There is no need for a saviour. There is no saviour of mankind because mankind is not born with sin. He is born clean and elevates himself through his deeds or debases himself through his deeds.
One saves themselves through good deeds, by praying for guidance and following the truth always.
No one can bear the burden of another. That's the message of truth.
Jesus is not dead...of which is acknowledged even by your book of faith.
Jesus is dead.
Perhaps, when you realize this, you will begin to see that the authors who penned your book of faith understood that Jesus is God Almighty.
What is most amusing about this is that prior to the idea of a man named Jeezus and the nonsense doctrine that has since been invented about him how were the people before him "saved" (in your paradigm).
How about Moses for example, is Moses' failure of belief in the doctrines of Athanasius and other devils like him going to mean he is not "saved". Or did Moses accept Jeezus and the devillish doctrines of trinity?
Apple Pie, you just have to accept that your paradigm of being born a worthless, evil, no good, sinner is not shared by us.
We are born without sin and become what we become. We have no need for saviours. You have to realise that your paradigm is false.