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    Natu
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    Peace.

    I voted for option 3, because I understand that if I fear something like, say, for example, a scene from a horror movie, its only because I would have imagined that what I was seeing was actually happening and not just changing colours on a screen, which would be totally wrong. - I would have feared if I was doing something wrong. We have to maintain the connection, to keep it real.

    If a fire breathing dragon popped its head round the corner in real life though, I would say that is stress, a natural bodily response to keep us going. We wouldn't actually be afraid, we would just be using what we have to protect ourselves, probably running once we've worked out that our physical performance couldn't exceed that of the dragon's. The estimation happens so quickly in our minds that we assume it was an instant response of fear. This is my understanding anyway. No real dragon has ever popped its head round the corner to make me fear, and if the God wills that will be the case for all of us. ;D

    I am particularly intrigued by this emoticon.

    muscle

    This little grey face doesn't actually turn its head round to look at its arms, but it learns its strength and thats why it is happy. It tries to put its muscles under pressure, and is surprised, but humble in its reaction. It realises what it has, and smiles at the people looking. It keeps testing itself to see if it has what it thinks it should have, to do things that involve tensing of those muscles.

    It seems to be putting itself under stress to see if can do it, to eradicate its concern of having no strength, and in the process its muscles grow and it gets stronger. From looking at the three distinct facial expressions, I see...

    1. productivity
    2. peacefulness
    3. communication of the peacefulness - (4133) And who is better in saying than one who invites to God, and does good works, and says ?I am one of peaceful ones.? - It smiles because it doesn't want the people reading its emotions to have fear, neither of it, nor for it.

    I thought it'd be a good idea to share our understandings and experiences, so we could learn from each other, it would be a bit dry otherwise, so here we are.

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      savage_carrot
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      This little grey face doesn't actually turn its head round to look at its arms, but it learns its strength and thats why it is happy. It tries to put its muscles under pressure, and is surprised, but humble in its reaction. It realises what it has, and smiles at the people looking. It keeps testing itself to see if it has what it thinks it should have, to do things that involve tensing of those muscles.

      It seems to be putting itself under stress to see if can do it, to eradicate its concern of having no strength, and in the process its muscles grow and it gets stronger. From looking at the three distinct facial expressions, I see...

      1. productivity
      2. peacefulness
      3. communication of the peacefulness - (4133) And who is better in saying than one who invites to God, and does good works, and says I am one of peaceful ones. - It smiles because it doesn't want the people reading its emotions to have fear, neither of it, nor for it.

      You actually analysed an emoticon. I'm still a bit speechless at the moment but dang, that was quite interesting.

      I would vote for option 2. Fear of the unknown. I'm personally quite cool with stuff I know, what gets me is all the stuff out there, lurking, that I'm unaware of and I can imagine. So, basically it's about oneself and their own worst imaginings, living in the ramifications rather than the present etc. One's own worst enemy is us and so on and so forth.

      If a fire breathing dragon popped its head round the corner in real life

      I'm actually ready and waiting for this, I have my shiny magic sword and armour all polished and in easy reach. Peace.

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        Natu
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        Peace!

        I would vote for option 2. Fear of the unknown. I'm personally quite cool with stuff I know, what gets me is all the stuff out there, lurking, that I'm unaware of and I can imagine. So, basically it's about oneself and their own worst imaginings, living in the ramifications rather than the present etc. One's own worst enemy is us and so on and so forth.

        I can understand how we try to imagine things that we have no knowledge of, the point is that we should control our fantasies/imagination with truth/logic, to make estimations.

        Taking the weather for example. Seeing a grey sky, and immediately linking that to the estimation that a storm is coming, could be due to deviation from logic/truth, which leads to fear or ones own imagined thoughts. The stress response in an actual stormy situation is nothing but that. Controlling ones imagination by using logic, for example, how quickly the sky went grey, or how many days the sky has been that colour, and then extrapolating towards a sensible estimation, that is fantasy control - and no fear is involved, unless you do estimate a storm, in which case the stress comes in and you run down to the nearest valley and hug a tree. confused

        I understand fear to be something you do yourself, rather than something that happens - but the problem is that your body can only take so much fear, and your immediate health would give clear indication that fear is the wrong half of the spectrum to be in. The other half, through the negative, past zero is towards however peaceful the God wills that one may be. Its the individuals own choice to choose fear over peacefulness or vice versa.

        Leading from this I understand that when the body dies, the fantasies carry on, by when the body and the world is no longer there to show how peacefulness is better than fear. Switching to peacefulness can only happen when one accepts the truth/logic, that the fear is being created unnecessarily. Maybe this could happen after the body dies. Thats why Abraham wanted his son's to be peaceful when they die. And perhaps that is why we are told that we would be in "heaven" or "hell" for a long time / as opposed to forever. The God is merciful.

        This leaves us with another question. What the hell are we, if we are not our body, or imaginations?

        This has puzzled me for quite some time, and I realised after a long time that I was trying to visualise what I am, and give myself a name.
        What is truer is trust in the unseen. We don't need to name what we are. We can describe ourselves - I consider my self to be peaceful. Thats enough for me to understand what I am.

        Please share your thoughts.

        Peace.

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          savage_carrot
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          I can understand how we try to imagine things that we have no knowledge of, the point is that we should control our fantasies/imagination with truth/logic, to make estimations.

          Of course, I was replying to the what do we fear (imo) as opposed to the how do we control it and I agree with you.

          Taking the weather for example. Seeing a grey sky, and immediately linking that to the estimation that a storm is coming, could be due to deviation from logic/truth, which leads to fear or ones own imagined thoughts. The stress response in an actual stormy situation is nothing but that. Controlling ones imagination b using logic, for example, how quickly the sky went grey, or how many days the sky has been that colour, and then extrapolating towards a sensible estimation, that is fantasy control - and no fear is involved, unless you do estimate a storm, in which case the stress comes in and you run down to the nearest valley and hug a tree.

          Immediately linking that with an estimation of a storm might deviate from fact/truth, if you phrase it like that it's clearer (I assume that is what you meant?). I agree. I would take fear in this situation as Imagine I'm a small time farmer, with my crops, the cattle and the works. I fear that the winds picking up, theres going to be a big one and I didn't make arrangements for the proper safety of my stuff in case of such an event. Thus, I'm losing my head in conflicting emotions and wild thoughts of having to live in a poor house (while hugging a tree maybe). The proper thing to do here would be to calm down and realise that nothing can be gained from panicking at the last minute, whats done is done and whatever happens will be dealt with. Start making contingencies and vow solemnly in the future that plan B's are the way to go. This will bring rationality in, busy the head in doing something constructive instead of being debilitated by fear. So, I didn't exactly get the last bit, but it's natural to fear/stress but what's important is how we deal with it. Before, during and after and keep it to a minimum. I hope the analogy clears what I think you mean.

          I understand fear to be something you do yourself, rather than something that happens - but the problem is that your body can only take so much fear, and your immediate health would give clear indication that fear is the wrong half of the spectrum to be in. The other half, through the negative, past zero is towards however peaceful the God wills that one may be. Its the individuals own choice to choose fear over peacefulness or vice versa.

          True to some extent. I read this story once about the boy who had no fear. It was an enlightening one that brought to mind if fear could be a good thing? I think it can, as recently there was this stuff going on in the news about kids that don't have the gene for pain or something and how they become fearless and end up taking more risks that they should. That could be a lesson right there that could apply to everyone in some manner. Maybe fear and it's subsequent handling is the balance that is needed to operate efficiently/sucessfully? Fear instills caution? It wouldn't be wise imo to be fearless so I suppose a balance is needed.

          Leading from this I understand that when the body dies, the fantasies carry on, by when the body and the world is no longer there to show how peacefulness is better than fear. Switching to peacefulness can only happen when one accepts the truth/logic, that the fear is being created unnecessarily. Maybe this could happen after the body dies. Thats why Abraham wanted his son's to be peaceful when they die. And perhaps that is why we are told that we would be in "heaven" or "hell" for a long time / as opposed to forever. The God is merciful.

          Maybe after we die we don't need fear anymore? As the quran says, nothing to fear or to grieve (not sure about the denizens of the deep, they would have plenty to grieve about I reckon). In this world however I think we would need a certain amount of fear (our actions, others actions, weather killing my crops, walking down a dark alley etc) to ensure we don't overstep our bounds and get brazen, to be cautious and wary, more focused on events and consequences perhaps?

          This leaves us with another question. What the hell are we, if we are not our body, or imaginations.

          This has puzzled me for quite some time, and I realised after a long time that I was trying to visualise what I am, and give myself a name.
          What is truer is trust in the unseen. We don't need to name what we are. We can describe ourselves - I consider my self to be peaceful. Thats enough for me to understand what I am.

          We are more than the sum of our parts . Peace.

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            Tay
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            Peace Natu, all,

            First, I concur with Nadia. I really enjoyed your emoticon analysis.

            Anyway, about fear, I was going to select "nothing" to flex my machismo
            But then I realized that I do have fears. I don't fear anything unknown, or imagined, or death. What I do fear is watching or knowing someone I love is getting harmed and being completely helpless to do anything about it. It's arbitrary, I know, but it's the one thing that I can honestly say scares the bejezus out of me. Along the same lines, I fear losing someone while things are left unsaid or incomplete. In a nutshell, I fear irreparable regret. So I chose option 1.

            Peace,
            Tay

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              Andya_Primanda
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              Peace Natu (and long time no see, bro!)

              I want to answer 'we fear things we don't/can't understand' but you don't include that option.

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                jonny_k
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                Peace bro "Andya",
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                welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome welcome
                sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun

                GOD Bless!

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                  Natu
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                  Thanks sooooooooooooooooooooooo much for your kinds words people! jedi

                  The poll's been updated.

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