what in the devil's name is 666?
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Peace,
There's perhaps one thing that Apple Pie has a fixation upon which they believe is some kind of irresistable refutation of the reading. And that is the allegation that the Koran is plagiarised.
The reality of the situation is probably better explained by way of parable. When painters paint, they all use canvas and paints with identical hues - does that mean they plagiarise from each other?
When there is a shared history, is a newer text going to deny the antecedent and come up with a brand new understanding?
Apple Pie has the following problems...
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He wishes the Koran was something quite different to what he believes in. That would make it easier to deny and dismiss. There would be sufficient difference that he could ignore it without guilt or worry in his heart.
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Failing this he uses the commonality of origins and congruity of themes as a reason to suppose plagiarism. The problem here is that the commonality should be the very reason he sees the truth in the newer but pure message of monotheism in the Koran.
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
This is what Apple Pie is confusing with his accusations.
Regards.
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peace Apple Pie
I would support the bible, if what the bible said was verifiable. If it makes sense, why not? But the thing is, that the quran makes sense too. And i believe them to be part of the same message.
You can test the Holy Bible as truth by testing its physically verifiable statements regarding creation.
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Peace,
There's perhaps one thing that Apple Pie has a fixation upon which they believe is some kind of irresistable refutation of the reading. And that is the allegation that the Koran is plagiarised.
The reality of the situation is probably better explained by way of parable. When painters paint, they all use canvas and paints with identical hues - does that mean they plagiarise from each other?
When there is a shared history, is a newer text going to deny the antecedent and come up with a brand new understanding?
And..when the authors of the Koran repeatedly tell us point-blank that they merely copied the previous scriptures....what does this tell us....?
Don't keep turning your head from this blatant fact.
shockApple Pie has the following problems...
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He wishes the Koran was something quite different to what he believes in. That would make it easier to deny and dismiss. There would be sufficient difference that he could ignore it without guilt or worry in his heart.
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Failing this he uses the commonality of origins and congruity of themes as a reason to suppose plagiarism. The problem here is that the commonality should be the very reason he sees the truth in the newer but pure message of monotheism in the Koran.
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
This is what Apple Pie is confusing with his accusations.
Regards.
Most interesting that you have absolutely NOTHING to say regarding my rebuttal to your previous post.
What happened to your cherry-picked sura 103....?
I must admit, you could not have picked a better example out of the entire Koran that supports the Biblical paradigm of how one attains eternal Salvation through Jesus Christ, than in sura 103.
We both know that sura 103 is entirely Book of Revelation material.
Period.
Stop.
End of story.
Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
As it is, you do nothing at all.
Zero.
Zippo.
Nadda.
Not even so much as verifying the classic Arabic in which you are basing your eternal soul towards.
You are running on pure adrenaline...
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Peace Apple Pie,
why can't you, for once, pretend that the koran is a newer edition of the bible, instead of the koran being the result of plagiarism of the bible. Try to look at it that way for a moment and maybe you'll see what we're talking about here.
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Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
I think this applies to you more than anyone. Let me repeat the key sentence that you should take heed of...
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
Islam as the God's system is not new, but is the system from the start. The God has always sent messengers to mankind with the message. That the God is One.
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Peace Apple Pie,
why can't you, for once, pretend that the koran is a newer edition of the bible, instead of the koran being the result of plagiarism of the bible. Try to look at it that way for a moment and maybe you'll see what we're talking about here.
Why do you feel that the Koran plaigarized the Holy Bible...?
The authors who penned your book of faith tell us of their Biblical references.
They never once pretend that their Koranic material is original.
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Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
I think this applies to you more than anyone. Let me repeat the key sentence that you should take heed of...
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
Now you are getting it.
Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?
The authors who penned it sure didn't.
You are right....the Koran merely repeats what came before it...much like a parrot...
The only difference is that the names have been changed.
The Koran utilizes a pagan Arab god that is dressed up to look like the Biblical God Jesus.
Thus, your sura 103 example perfectly demonstrates the way to Salvation via FIRST a belief in Jesus Christ, and then the deeds that FOLLOW you into Heaven.
Obey the classic Arabic of sura 103.
Amazing that you don't even want to talk about the sura 103 example that you brought to the table on your very own...
What's the matter...? lol
Islam as the God's system is not new, but is the system from the start.
Islam is a poor attempt of an interpretation of their translated Biblical scriptures.
We have demonstrated this to you repeatedly....and all you can do is look the other way...
The God has always sent messengers to mankind with the message. That the God is One.
Please tell us why your "one god" shows a plurality at the Throne via sura 81...?
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Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?
i thought that was what you were saying. Any how, what i'm trying to say is that the quran isn't making up a new God, or even dressing up the God as something else. Its talking about the same exact thing.
Please, for once, do as i did and stop taking your holy scripture as the word of God and try to see if it makes sense or not.
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Peace AP
I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt
Warning!!
This post contains inappropriate pornographic quotes from the Bible about brothers sucking their sisters' and lovers' vaginas and breasts, and having sex with them all night long, and claiming that the vaginas and breasts taste like "wine". It is not suitable for children under 18 to read. Reader discretion is advised.
This post is another proof that the Bible is filled with man's garbage, alterations and lies. Ironically, the bible's own theologians and historians claim that most of the bible's books and gospels were written and altered by mysterious people.
The Bible has some really weird things in it that you would really be ashamed to even share with your own little kids!. It teaches you to fantasize about women's breasts and vaginas. It also teaches you to sleep with your own sister!.
A quick answer to the Christian folks who claim that the "Song of Songs" book in the Bible is talking about a husband and a wife As you will see below in the article, the book is not talking about a husband and a wife. It's talking about two lovers. But even if it was talking about a husband and a wife, then wouldn't you agree with me that exposing your wife's privates to the world is pornography by itself? Or at least this type pf material should not be in a holy book?
What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible? How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?
Women's breasts are important sexual objects
The Bible in numerous places teaches us about women's breasts and talks about them at the same time it is talking about sexual fantasies and intercourse.
Comparing the sister's breasts to the size of the towers
"We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for?? (Song of Songs 8"I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment.? (Song of Songs 810)
"Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies." (Song of Songs 45)
"A loving doe, a graceful deer, may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love." (Proverbs 519)
Could it be meant to say "may her breasts sexually satisfy you"?
"My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts." (Song of Songs 113)
Praising the bed that they had sex on
"How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant" (Song of Songs 116)Having sex all night long
"Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love!" (Proverbs 71"Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love more than wine. How right they are to adore you! " (Song of Songs 12-4)
I don't think this would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read. Also, I don't think it is appropriate to have such open sexuality in a divine book anyway.
His right arm sexually feeling her body
"His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me." (Song of Songs 26)"Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who conceived me." (Song of Songs 34)
So in other words, she was not married to him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's house". She would take him to their house.
"Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." (Song of Songs 310)
Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?
Fantasizing about a girl he calls his "sister". Her vagina tastes like wine for him. And they had sex all night long. After he satisfied her really good, she wished if he were her brother (her biological brother nursed by her "mother's breast" as she said) so she doesn't have to take him home secretly
Note Even though she may not be his biological sister, but calling her a "sister" in a pornographic and sick situation as shown in details below is not proper, and may suggest that the sick pervert would fantasize about his biological sister if he had one.
"You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace." (Song of Songs 49)
Fantasizing about his sister? at least he shows in this verse that he would!.
"How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!" (Song of Songs 410)
Making love to his own sister? "pleasing is your love (making???) than wine"
"You are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride; you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain." (Song of Songs 412)
Sleeping with his sister
"I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him." (Song of Songs 54)What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister like that!!.
"O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you-- if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." (Song of Songs 5
Teaching women to be sexually too open.
His sister's vagina tastes like "wine"
"How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
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I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine.? (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 71-4, 8-9)According to the documentary film "Sex in the Bible" on A&E TV Station, the Hebrew translation to "Your naval" is referring to the woman's VAGINA. The English translators substituted the word "NAVEL" WITH "VAGINA." Please rent a copy of the movie and watch it. I did, it is fun and arousing
BTW, I did watch this film, "Sex in the Bible", on the history channel, as I also watched "Banned from the Bible", and other films about the Bible, and all of them are objective and truthful! If you watch the "Sex in the Bible" film for yourself you then would see that the commentary came from Bible theologians and Hebrew language experts.
Yes, the verse above did refer to women's vaginas according to those theologians and Hebrew language experts.
A non-Muslim guy who tried to prove that this is not accurate about the translation of the word "Naval" in this Porn-full verse. He sent the following to the Christian "Answering Islam" team
They responded by
?The word navel and the umbilical cord both come from the woman's vagina since this is a natural part of childbirth."
So Mr. Non Muslim, what exactly did you disprove here? "Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine" is clearly speaking about the vagina (not the umbilical cord), and the water/cum that comes out of the vagina that "never lacks blended wine", or in other words tastes like wine! Also, "rounded goblet (container)" is clearly referring to the vagina since the vagina is in a way a container or a place that contains. Also notice that the verses after it speak about her sexy waist and breasts.
Also, the idea of "natural part of childbirth" IS A SICK LIE!!, since the whole pornful material, as clearly shown in the ample verses above, is speaking about sex and brothers and sisters and lovers having sex with each others all night long. No children and child birth was ever mentioned, and
Certainly umbilical cords are not sexually attractive and don't taste like "wine". It is clearly and irrefutably speaking about the vagina's cum tasting like wine since the whole verses is about sex and sucking vaginas and breasts.
I just find it quite sickening that some christians would go too far in lying and making up hoaxes and lies to cover up for their horny and pornful bible.
Please Christians/Jewish answer this question for me
Why should vaginas and illegal sex done by unmarried lovers be talked about in a sexual fantasy in the book that is supposed to be the True Living Words of GOD Almighty from the first place?
Having sex all night long with that sister
"Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages." (Song of Songs 711)And make love all night long?
She wished if he were her brother, so she doesn't have to take him home with her in secret. He must have satisfied her really good!!
"If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me." (Song of Songs 81-3)She wished if he were her biological brother so she can take him home without a secret and there he can have sex with her all the time!
Few points to notice from this verse
1- She wished if her boyfriend/lover was her actual brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret.
2- She would sleep with her own brother.
3- She would kiss him publicly.
4- She wants him to feel her body.
5- She wants him to do her all night long!
6- Her wanting to kiss him publicly clearly means that the Bible's holy slut is so horny and so turned on that she having him at home doing her all night long is not enough. THEY HAVE TO MAKE OUT PUBLICLY TOO.What more pornography and sick trash do you want? Even today's internet pornography have not yet gone down to the filthy level of brothers and sisters sleeping with each others. That's how sick and pervert the people who changed the Bible really is.
Important Note If you don't call the above garbage "pornography", then what else would you call it? It wouldn't surprise me to see Christians end up one day sleeping with their sisters, as Christian men are marrying men and Christian women are marrying women in California, USA.
It wouldn't surprise me to see brothers committing adultery with their sisters especially since the Bible seems to allow them to do it anyway (any sister with a stud brother who was nursed by her "mother's breasts"), especially if they both live over at their mother's home.
Well I have seen it on Jerry Springer, Jerry , Jerry , Jerry, Jerry
I am not being sarcastic!, I need answers please because I did not find this garbage in the Quran that is being Crucified on web sites as a book full of garbage hence it must be copied from the corrupt Bible, or what do you think?
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Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?
i thought that was what you were saying. Any how, what i'm trying to say is that the quran isn't making up a new God, or even dressing up the God as something else. Its talking about the same exact thing.
Not hardly...
If you understood classic Arabic, then you would be aware that the name "allah" is rooted in pagan Arab idol worship.
This is fact.
Please, for once, do as i did and stop taking your holy scripture as the word of God and try to see if it makes sense or not.
Done.
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Peace AP
I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt
Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...
Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?
Looks like it.... wink
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if you understood classic Arabic, then you would be aware that the name "allah" is rooted in pagan Arab idol worship.
This is fact.
That's because the quran itself is in arabic. Maybe the arab idol worshippers wouldn't have understood what the word 'god' meant so He had to use the word 'allah' to make them understand. does that make sense?
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Peace AP
I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt
Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...
I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible
Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?
before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?
Looks like it.... wink
now the subject has changed from a corrupt bible to a red car lol , well answer the above question first and I will get back to you on that one wink
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if you understood classic Arabic, then you would be aware that the name "allah" is rooted in pagan Arab idol worship.
This is fact.
That's because the quran itself is in arabic. Maybe the arab idol worshippers wouldn't have understood what the word 'god' meant so He had to use the word 'allah' to make them understand. does that make sense?
Is this any reason for it to be used in your book of faith...?
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Peace AP
I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt
Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...
I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible
If you can't show it, then perhaps it is time for you to stop claiming that one exists... o
Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?
before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?
Us...
Looks like it.... wink
now the subject has changed from a corrupt bible to a red car lol , well answer the above question first and I will get back to you on that one wink
The subject matter has been changed several times in this thread...you are not the first one to do it...
How fast does your shiny red car go....?
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Peace AP
I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt
Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...
I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible
If you can't show it, then perhaps it is time for you to stop claiming that one exists...
and why you are upset by me claimimg it existed?
Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?
before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?
Us...
now before I answer, may ask who is "Us"?
is it "me and you"?
Looks like it.... wink
now the subject has changed from a corrupt bible to a red car lol , well answer the above question first and I will get back to you on that one wink
The subject matter has been changed several times in this thread...you are not the first one to do it...
No worries, here is a subject change
In the following, everyone will see how David was a sick and careless murderer for selectively killing an innocent man for only telling him news about the death of Saul!
Let us carefully read 2 Samuel 4, but before that let us read 1 Samuel 247-9
7 With these words David rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. And Saul left the cave and went his way.
8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, "My lord the king!" When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
9 He said to Saul, "Why do you listen when men say, 'David is bent on harming you'?
Now let's read the short chapter of 1 Samuel 24. Pay close attention to the bolded and underlined parts below
Ish-Bosheth Murdered
1 When Ish-Bosheth son of Saul heard that Abner had died in Hebron, he lost courage, and all Israel became alarmed.
2 Now Saul's son had two men who were leaders of raiding bands. One was named Baanah and the other Recab; they were sons of Rimmon the Beerothite from the tribe of Benjamin-Beeroth is considered part of Benjamin,
3 because the people of Beeroth fled to Gittaim and have lived there as aliens to this day.
4 (Jonathan son of Saul had a son who was lame in both feet. He was five years old when the news about Saul and Jonathan came from Jezreel. His nurse picked him up and fled, but as she hurried to leave, he fell and became crippled. His name was Mephibosheth.)
5 Now Recab and Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, set out for the house of Ish-Bosheth, and they arrived there in the heat of the day while he was taking his noonday rest.
6 They went into the inner part of the house as if to get some wheat, and they stabbed him in the stomach. Then Recab and his brother Baanah slipped away.
7 They had gone into the house while he was lying on the bed in his bedroom. After they stabbed and killed him, they cut off his head. Taking it with them, they traveled all night by way of the Arabah.
8 They brought the head of Ish-Bosheth to David at Hebron and said to the king, "Here is the head of Ish-Bosheth son of Saul, your enemy, who tried to take your life. This day the LORD has avenged my lord the king against Saul and his offspring."
9 David answered Recab and his brother Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, ?As surely as the LORD lives, who has delivered me out of all trouble,?
10 when a man told me, 'Saul is dead,' and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag. That was the reward I gave him for his news!
11 How much more-when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed-should I not now demand his blood from your hand and rid the earth of you!
12 So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them. They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner's tomb at Hebron.
Few points to notice from the above verses
1- David and Saul became friends once again after the incident inside the cave. Read 1 Samuel 24.2- David didn't like the idea that two of his men killed Saul's son, Ish-Bosheth. He punished them to death.
3- David SO UNJUSTLY killed an innocent man for only telling him that Saul died! Saul died because of the old animosity between him and David. David's men, not knowing that the two reconciled, killed Saul in the battle, who was fighting against them, and thought they were pleasing David. A messenger from them rushed to tell David about what they thought "the good news," and David decided to unjustly kill the messenger who anyway had nothing to do with the killing of Saul. AND EVEN IF HE DID, THAT STILL WOULDN'T JUSTIFY HIS KILLING!
How fast does your shiny red car go....?
it depends on what you are asking, 0-100, or 1/4 mile or top speed and hence you asked non of these, I have no answer to your question
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Peace AP
I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt
Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...
I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible
If you can't show it, then perhaps it is time for you to stop claiming that one exists... o
and why you are upset by me claimimg it existed?
The myth of a 1400+ year old Koran has been lampooned.
If you can show otherwise, then do it.
We will be waiting... wink
Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?
before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?
Us...
now before I answer, may ask who is "Us"?
is it "me and you"?
No.
How fast does your shiny red car go....?
it depends on what you are asking, 0-100, or 1/4 mile or top speed and hence you asked non of these, I have no answer to your question
A person who has a car like that probably spends lots of time admiring it...don't you think...?
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Peace AP
I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt
Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...
I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible
If you can't show it, then perhaps it is time for you to stop claiming that one exists... o
and why you are upset by me claimimg it existed?
The myth of a 1400+ year old Koran has been lampooned.
If you can show otherwise, then do it.
We will be waiting... wink
but you didn't prove that it has been lampooned, I though you were a stand up comedian, sorry I didn't take you serious
Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?
before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?
Us...
now before I answer, may ask who is "Us"?
is it "me and you"?
No.
if "Us" is not me and you, may I ask who is "Us"?, is it the United States?
How fast does your shiny red car go....?
it depends on what you are asking, 0-100, or 1/4 mile or top speed and hence you asked non of these, I have no answer to your question
A person who has a car like that probably spends lots of time admiring it...don't you think...?
sure but do you think I worship that red car without knowing?