marrying an adulteress / adulter
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Excuse me Khi! Prohpet Muhammad is a special case, that is if you believe in his prophethood!
Khi- I know Muhammad had special permission 2 marry more wives but r u implying tht Muhammad had special permission 2 do ZINA???! Think abt tht.
"Hurrima" is not in the continuous tense and my UNDERSTANDING is not far reaching at all. "Hurrima" can also have more than one implication. What I understand from it in the Ayah 243, is a reassurance that Allah would protect the Believers from falling victim to such situations. If one is pure, then one should fully trust that Allah would grant him/her a pure mate and that there should be no doubt in the heart of the Believer because that thing was long settled by Allah.
Khi- 'Hurrima' is not the continuous tense? Look how Yusuf Ali translated it
'...to the believers such a marriage IS FORBIDDEN'. Correct me if im wrong but the past tense wld be 'harama'. Anyways tell me something. According 2 u is it alright if a believer marries an adulterer if he is still into the act n u know it? I already told u tht if u dont know thts a different case. GOD judges by our intentions. Thus is u know tht person is into adultery u cant marry him. GOD Bless! -
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"Hurrima" is not in the continuous tense and my UNDERSTANDING is not far reaching at all. "Hurrima" can also have more than one implication. What I understand from it in the Ayah 243, is a reassurance that Allah would protect the Believers from falling victim to such situations. If one is pure, then one should fully trust that Allah would grant him/her a pure mate and that there should be no doubt in the heart of the Believer because that thing was long settled by Allah.
Khi- 'Hurrima' is not the continuous tense? Look how Yusuf Ali translated it
'...to the believers such a marriage IS FORBIDDEN'. Correct me if im wrong but the past tense wld be 'harama'.It should be Was and not Is.
Anyways tell me something. According 2 u is it alright if a believer marries an adulterer if he is still into the act n u know it? I already told u tht if u dont know thts a different case. GOD judges by our intentions. Thus is u know tht person is into adultery u cant marry him. GOD Bless!
OK, from what I understand from the Ayah 243
-If you have kept yourself pure for the sake of God and you have left it to God to send you the right person then be sure that that person is as pure as yourself.
-If you have kept yourself pure for the sake of God and you decided at one point that you want to marry someone who did something wrong in the past (under certain circumstances) but honestly repented and you were willing to accept that person to be your wife, I believe that Allah, according to the Ayah, would not disappoint you.I don't see, from my understanding of the Ayah 243 that a pure person will marry someone who, unknowingly to the pure, is not.
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now we are moving from the noun adulterer to a description of a "pure person". Okay. Enlighten me What is a pure person and where does the Qur'an reference marriage requirements of a "pure" person? I ask this because too many times people associate purity with virginity and this ayat seems to be encompassing more than just a situation involving a virgin bride/groom (which is what Khi seems to be pointing out).
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now we are moving from the noun adulterer to a description of a "pure person".
Salaam Salikah,
Sometimes using the opposite would better describe the case.
We say in Arabic something like this "With Contrasts, things will clearly show!" That was one way of explaining my understanding of the Ayah 243, so please don't be confused!
I used 'pure' to describe the individual who is committed to righteousness as opposed to the 'adulterer' who is committed to the sin of adultery (violating the commitment of marriage).Okay. Enlighten me What is a pure person and where does the Qur'an reference marriage requirements of a "pure" person?
I believe you can find the marriage requirement in
I ask this because too many times people associate purity with virginity and this ayat seems to be encompassing more than just a situation involving a virgin bride/groom (which is what Khi seems to be pointing out).
I don?t see that Ayah 243 speaks about virginity at all.
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Salam,
I'm new around here. I find the site free-minds.org quite interesting and have been reading about the problem of adultery & marrying an adulterer. I want to know if anyone can guide me to the exact translation of the concerned verse. Does it really state that an adulterer must not marry any but an adulteress or does it state that the adulterer does not marry any but an adulteress etc? I'm asking because I don't know Arabic, especially not Quranic Arabic. I can see how this applies if a person takes the trouble to find out about his/her spouse-to-be before they actually get married but what about (as can often happen) a person finds out after marriage that his/her spouse has had extramarital sex before the marriage. What should that person do? Divorce? What if the couple now has children? What if the person really loves his/her spouse and is ready to forgive him/her for what has occurred? If the person continues the marriage, is s/he her/himself sinful for remaining married to an adulterer/adulteress? This seems a little illogical to me.
I actually tend to agree with the Quranic translator Muhammad Asad on this matter. Please check out his translation of the verse. But I would like to know what the Arabic words used in the verse literally mean.
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hmm Zehra i think what jonny_k said makes sense
Salam,
1st of all id like 2 say tht 'non-virgin' wld not be the right term 2 use since a previously married woman wld also be a 'non-virgin' but not an adulteress. The verse clearly says tht adulterers n idolators may not be married by believers. HOWEVER dont forget tht after sincere repentance neither an idol worshipper nor an adulterer remains wht he was. Eg somebody was a Trinitarian Christian worshipping Jesus as GOD be4. Hes an idolator n such a person cannot be married 2 a believer. However when he repents n submits 2 GOD then obviously he aint an idol worshipper any more. So the verse means those ppl WHO R STILL IN IDOLATROUS OR ADULTRESS STATE OF MIND. I hope this is clear now. GOD Bless!One makes misstakes we are human after all, people repent..
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Salam,
Thanks for the prompt reply, Sarah. I do agree with what you said but would still like some more answers.Sorry to make this so complicated but what if the adulterer/adulteress confesses his/her sin but not because s/he is repentent but because s/he is honest about it. Of course, only God knows what is in the hearts & minds of His creatures but what should the concerned spouse do about this situation? What is expected of the innocent spouse in this matter?
Also, can anyone guide me to the literal translation of the first few verses of Surah Nur as asked earlier? Any other thoughts on the matter?
P.S. What about adultery committed during a marriage? Any thoughts on this?
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Just a quick question. What is an adulterer/adulteress. is it someone having an affair but doesn't sleep with them or someone who actually has sex with the other person? or both?
Salaam All
Pickthall
2403 The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers.Yusuf Ali
2403 Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.Khalifa
2403 The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.What do you think about this ayat (marrying adulters)? If it's prohibited how can women ever know whether their bridegrooms have had an affair or not? Maybe in shariah laws it would be possible with public lashing (except no witnessed affairs) but what about now? As for men, are we supposed to ask our girlfriends this before marriage? Like "have you ever commited adultery" or "are you a virgin" This would be rude.
Any ideas appreciated.
Peace...
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Salaam Nafisa,
It's a person who commits illicit sex with someone, can be both males and females.
Peace Sis Maria
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These questions (asked by Nafisa, I think) are thought-provoking ones. I myself am looking for answers to these besides the ones I have already asked
Pickthall
2403 The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers.Yusuf Ali
2403 Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.Khalifa
2403 The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.What do you think about this ayat (marrying adulters)? If it's prohibited how can women ever know whether their bridegrooms have had an affair or not? Maybe in shariah laws it would be possible with public lashing (except no witnessed affairs) but what about now? As for men, are we supposed to ask our girlfriends this before marriage? Like "have you ever commited adultery" or "are you a virgin" This would be rude.
Any ideas appreciated.
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Salaam Sis Zehra,
Really I think this isn't so complicated as it sounds like.
How does it sounds like if i say that we shall find a suitable spouse who are like ourselves!?
It means we shall not just get married instead we shall choose a good spouse.
So when Quran points out that an adulterer only can marry an adulteress or an idolworshipper it means that they should marry someone like themselves.
Peace Sis Maria
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Salam Sis SwedenMajidah,
Am just going to reiterate my questions.So when Quran points out that an adulterer only can marry an adulteress or an idolworshipper it means that they should marry someone like themselves.
If an adulterer/adulteress can only marry someone like him/herself, then what does his/her spouse do if they are already married? Does the spouse have to divorce the adulterer/adulteress? Is it wrong for the spouse to remain married to the adulterer/adulteress?
I want to know if anyone can guide me to the exact translation of the concerned verse. Does it really state that an adulterer must not marry any but an adulteress or does it state that the adulterer does not marry any but an adulteress etc? I can see how this applies if a person takes the trouble to find out about his/her spouse-to-be before they actually get married but what about (as can often happen) a person finds out after marriage that his/her spouse has had extramarital sex before the marriage. What should that person do? Divorce? What if the couple now has children? What if the person really loves his/her spouse and is ready to forgive him/her for what has occurred? If the person continues the marriage, is s/he her/himself sinful for remaining married to an adulterer/adulteress?
Would also like further input concerning the above questions.
God bless...
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Salaam Zehra,
No, I don't find anywhere in Quran proofs of that we must divorce our spouse because he/she isn't like ourselves.
I mean if you two are happy and respect eachother there is no problem but those advice before you are married is only a guideline from God that we shall take heed of what can happen in a marriage and to avoid future problems so long as we can.
Remember God don't want to make your life more difficult instead help you and guide you in right direction.
Therefore we shall be very careful when we meet a person we feel attracted to and try to find out so much we can about that person before we involve in something more serious.
I have recently left my husband because we couldn't co operate well because we had different views on islam and he didn't respect my view and also forced me to do alot of things. And he wasn't romantic at all so i had enough.
So now I feel that i must do more research on my spouse if I found one again. Because I don't want same things happen again.
I hope you got my point!?
Take Care!
Peace Sis Maria
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Peace
I've no qwalms in marrying an adulteress. Things happen and some people repent and others do not. Repentence is only repentence when the person does not do such a thing again. I think I'd be cool if my wife did such a thing to me, but I'd hope she tell me soon afterwards because I would not want to be getting something that may have been contracted. That would be what really irks me. The 2nd time around of cheating would be the end of the marriage for me.
Joe
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To quote phoenix1
why would anyone marry an adultress/adulterer?
Many reasons you may not know that your spouse has committed fornication/adultery until after the marriage or the adultery itself may be committed after marriage or a thousand other reasons...
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Salam,
Maybe we're looking to hard for an answer, while the answer is easy to find.
241 A chapter which We have sent down and imposed, and We have sent down in it clear revelations that you may remember.
242 The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity take you over God's system if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
243 The adulterer will only marry an adulteress or one who is an idolatress. And the adulteress, she will only be married to an adulterer or an idolater. And this has been forbidden for the believers.
244 And those who accuse the independent women and they do not bring forth four witnesses, then you shall lash them eighty lashes and do not ever accept their testimony. Those indeed are the evildoers.
245 Except those who repent after this and do right, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.For me it says that God makes it very clear that adultery is prohibited. And whoever breaks this rule is considered an unbeliever, because only the unbelievers break God's law. So if you commit adultery you're none better then the unbelievers. Maybe that's why God says the adulterer must marry an adulteress or an idolatress. Except orfcourse for those who repent and follow God's law again.
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What makes me wonder in this thread is the instruction for adulterers and adultresses to marry idolaters/idolatresses... doesn't this go against the prohibition of marrying idolaters? This seems like a manifest contradiction, so I'm sure we're misinterpreting something here, because certainly you cannot say that once an adulterer, always an adulterer, just as you cannot say once and idolater, always an idolater (you can always become a Muslim)
I mean, what if an adulterer marries an idolatress, who subsequently becomes a Muslim? Does this invalidate the marriage? Is the adulterer forever outside the circle of believers, and if so, shouldn't he be brought to death for leaving Islam? (the answer is no, there is a punishment for adultery which is not equivalent to that of abandoning Islam).