Very Important reminder for brother "Layth"!
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Salam,
I believe the last posts in our discussion regarding total Quranic verses was unfortunately lost due to forum problems yesterday. So here id like to mention the main points again- Regarding the aspect of motivation. No court accepts the accusation for any murderer unless his motive can be shown. This is a perfectly logical reason since otherwise we would have much more innocents landing in jail than there already are.
- The Quran has 6346 verses INCLUDING THE UNNUMBERED BISMILLAHS(excl. 9128&129). Pleaase go back and check the hafs version for this.
- The Bismillah of 2730 cannot possibly act as a separator as you claimed, that it could, since we notice that GOD put the Bismilah in the mouth of Solomon, THUS making it impossible for it to act as a seprator while at the same time it acts as a perfect and conplete statement "Bismillah arrahman nirraheem". So both of your separating argumnent as well as not a complete bismillah arguments are debunked by the style which GOD uses there.
GOD Bless!
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Peace Jonny,
- Regarding the aspect of motivation. No court accepts the accusation for any murderer unless his motive can be shown. This is a perfectly logical reason since otherwise we would have much more innocents landing in jail than there already are.
So, if I simply at random killed someone, your court would let me go free since there is no 'motive'?
Also, using the same logic, your whole case for 128&129 being 'inserted' are deemed false since there is no 'motive'?
P.S. where God is concerned, there are forces at work to derail all attempts to find and maintain the truth (motive?).
- The Quran has 6346 verses INCLUDING THE UNNUMBERED BISMILLAHS(excl. 9128&129). Pleaase go back and check the hafs version for this.
Unnumbered? so you are saying that 112 Basmallas are not from the Scripture?
There is no mathematics involved here in your claims, it is a simple 'pick&chose' manipulation that you employ which even a 7 year old would not accept.
- The Bismillah of 2730 cannot possibly act as a separator as you claimed, that it could, since we notice that GOD put the Bismilah in the mouth of Solomon, THUS making it impossible for it to act as a seprator while at the same time it acts as a perfect and conplete statement "Bismillah arrahman nirraheem". So both of your separating argumnent as well as not a complete bismillah arguments are debunked by the style which GOD uses there.
Good, now you accept the idea of the 'Basmallas' being seperators...You also acknowledge that the one in 2730 is not such a seperator since it is being related in the tounge of Solomon...Therefore, it is [not a 'basmalla' leaving you with 113 and not 114.
p.s. I like the way you include the 112 unnumbered Basmallas and add them with the numbered basmalla of 11 (and your claim of 2730) to get 114, yet you cannot see my comment that you are picking & chosing when making the total number of verses to be 6346!
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Salam "Layth"
So, if I simply at random killed someone, your court would let me go free since there is no 'motive'?
JK- Only a psychic would do that and psychics do not have proper control over their actions, thus the normal punishment cannot be executed in such a case.
Also, using the same logic, your whole case for 128&129 being 'inserted' are deemed false since there is no 'motive'?
JK- There was STRONG MOTIVE for the insertion. "Muslims" wanted to praise and glorify Muhammad thereby giving him the title "rauf urraheem".
P.S. where God is concerned, there are forces at work to derail all attempts to find and maintain the truth (motive?).
JK- The code-19 pattern is also from GOD, dont forget that.
Unnumbered? so you are saying that 112 Basmallas are not from the Scripture?
JK- BRO "LAYTH", PLEASE UNDERSTAND THOSE VERSES WERE INCLUDED IN THE COUNT. WITHOUT those 112 Bismillahs we would have 6234 verses. Get it? 6234+112= 6346 which is ZMN
There is no mathematics involved here in your claims, it is a simple 'pick&chose' manipulation that you employ which even a 7 year old would not accept.
JK- There has been no pick&choose at all. You have done a false analysis. Go check the facts.
Good, know you accept the idea of the 'Basmallas' being seperators...You also acknowledge that the one in 2730 is not such a seperator since it is being related in the tounge of Solomon...Therefore, it is [not a 'basmalla' leaving you with 113 and not 114.
JK- Yes BUT it is a Bismillah. IT IS A COMPLETE BISMILLAH STATEMENT, whether it comes out of Solomon's mouth or not. You must be blind not to see that. And what other reason is there for GOD to quote Solomon saying "Bismillah arahman niraheem". He obviously didnt speak Arabic and the phrase could be tranlated in many other ways or just Bismillah,Period as it is mentioned in 1141. The only logical ereason is to make the number 114 which is ZMN.
p.s. I like the way you include the 112 unnumbered Basmallas and add them with the numbered basmalla of 11 (and your claim of 2730) to get 114, yet you cannot see my comment that you are picking & chosing when making the total number of verses to be 6346!
JK- AS METNIONED ABOVE FOR THE FOURTH TIME NOW 6346 IS INCLUSIVE OF THE 112 BISMILLAHS. I hope you got it now. GOD Bless!
