Was The Messenger Of The Qur'aan An Orphan?
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Peace
If his father died before he was born as well his mother died when he was 6 years old, therefore, at least Mohammad was an orphan from the age of 6, don't you guys agree?
therefore the verse about Allah helping Mohammad when he was orphaned may be talking about the period when he was 6 years old up to marrying Khadija i guess
peace
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Peace,
Thank you for this excellent insight.
The factuality of orphan stories in relation to the messenger are based upon nothing but conjecture. One must keep in mind that even the so called 'sira' stories are fairly blank about the messenger's early life and have to resort to such fabrications as 'clouds always shaded him' and that 'his chest was opened up by two angels and his heart was washed' type of nonsense.
So I do not place any trust in the alleged histories. I think that instead of cold hard fact, later story writers created these histories based on snippets from the reading and their own understanding of the verses.
The orphan story almost certainly is based on 936...
Did He not find you an orphan and He sheltered you?
Alam yajidka yateeman faawa
And this is where grourself's insight comes in. In this verse it is more likely that the messenger had become isolated and alienated due to his position following the way of straightness.
So the translation is more like...
Did He not find you alienated and He sheltered you?
Alam yajidka yateeman faawa
All messengers are alienated/estranged by their communities. Their words fall on firstly ridiculing, then hostile and finally deaf ears. It is their trust in the God and thereby His support that brings them through.
Regards.
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Hello
1724 is directed at any believer IT IS NOT DIRECTED TO MOHAMMAD, this is obvious from 1714
Also brothers and sistera, "Yatim" means orphan, it never meant isolated, this is another case of clear cut manipulation
Mohammad was not isolated, he was supported by his very well respected grand father then another very well respected Quraishi leader "His uncle" then at 25 he was very well supported by his very rich wife, then by many strong Qurashii people, like Hamza, Abu Bakr and Omar
i wonder why those muslims promote this non sense
possibly they want to look smart?
i guess this is the only motive
Peace to all
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Haha nice try
I'm asking , If someone whom his mother and father died is an orohan or not?
obvioulsy for someone like you who wants to manipulate the clear meaning of orphan to be isolated must not agree
all you ideas Oben are rediculous and have no merit neither any sense but clear cut conjectures
Regards
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Haha nice try
I'm asking , If someone whom his mother and father died is an orohan or not?
If you examine your words above, you'll see that your statement is not about "someone" or 'anyone'. It's straight from the alleged siras of the messenger. You're swallowing the story and regurgitating it with plenty of doubtfulness and uncertainty.
Your uncertainty is well founded and the doubt is proper, because these alleged stories are fabrications based upon misunderstandings of the reading.
Here's another story for you by modern bearded 'scholars'...
THE PROPHECY IS FULFILLED
On Monday, 12th of Rabi-al-Awwal -- 570 years after Jesus ascended into heaven to await his return before the end of the world -- Lady Amina gave birth to her blessed son in the house of Abu Talib. Ash-Shaffa, the mother of Abd Al Rahman, attended his birth and as Lady Amina gave birth her blessed baby was delivered prostrating upon his tiny hands and knees, then sneezed and said, "Al Hamdulillah" -- praise be to Allah -- whereupon a voice from the heavens replied, "May Allah have mercy upon you."http//www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/Muhammad/Book/Millennium_Biography/Chapter_008.htm
So the baby was born prostrating and said "Al Hamdulillah" and a voice from heaven replied....
These nonsensical stories are fabricated and embellished by misguided so called scholars who seek to magnify an ordinary human being. But they also require misguided intellectually challenged people to accept and swallow the rubbish they create.
Enjoy the stories Ahmed.
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Peace
Truth wrote
So the translation is more like...
Did He not find you alienated and He sheltered you?
Alam yajidka yateeman faawa
All messengers are alienated/estranged by their communities. Their words fall on firstly ridiculing, then hostile and finally deaf ears. It is their trust in the God and thereby His support that brings them through.
Excellent rendition backed up by the reading. This is an example of the God explaining the message, the book explains itself.
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Just a few more points in relation to the misconception of the messenger being an orphan.
These stories all rely upon the "sira" of a so called "Ibn Ishaq" who has been discredited by two other alleged scholars "Malik" and "Hanbal". In this 'sira' a monk finds the boy "Muhammad"...
The answers Muhammad gave Buhairah convinced him ninety-nine percent that the young boy, in whose company he was, was none other than the one prophesied in the scriptures to become the last Prophet of Allah. However, one thing bothered him, Abu Talib had referred to Muhammad as being his son, and the scriptures stated quite clearly that the last prophet would be an orphan, so he inquired about Muhammad's parents and was told that indeed Muhammad was an orphan, and that Abu Talib was not his real father, rather, he was his paternal uncle. Now, Buhairah knew for certain that his dearest wish had been fulfilled and that he had been blessed to live long enough to meet the boy destined to be the last Prophet of Allah.
from http//www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/Muhammad/Book/Millennium_Biography/Chapter_011.htm
There are therefore agendas underlying this. Yet I don't personally know of any prophecies of a "last prophet" in any "scriptures". Nevertheless, the reason that "Muhammad" is made an orphan is due to the requirements of this "sira" which is nothing more than the fabricated history of someone hundreds of years after the events. "Ibn Ishaq" is said to have lived about 100 years after the events he wrote about.
Much of the stories of "Muhammad's" early life are devotional glorifications of a human being and are entirely fabricated. The later stories contain many controversial events which again cannot be substantiated at all.
I found an interesting post which you may wish to peruse in relation to siras and their role in misguiding people http//forums.muslimvillage.net/index.php?showtopic=12725&mode=threaded&pid=170772
Also http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sira
Regards.
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Haha nice try
I'm asking , If someone whom his mother and father died is an orohan or not?
If you examine your words above, you'll see that your statement is not about "someone" or 'anyone'. It's straight from the alleged siras of the messenger. You're swallowing the story and regurgitating it with plenty of doubtfulness and uncertainty.
WRONG AGAIN
it is from the Quran Oben
Your uncertainty is well founded and the doubt is proper, because these alleged stories are fabrications based upon misunderstandings of the reading.
Ahmed is laughing again and saying
who are you to tell the arabs that they understand arabic wrong?
Here's another story for you by modern bearded 'scholars'...
THE PROPHECY IS FULFILLED
On Monday, 12th of Rabi-al-Awwal -- 570 years after Jesus ascended into heaven to await his return before the end of the world -- Lady Amina gave birth to her blessed son in the house of Abu Talib. Ash-Shaffa, the mother of Abd Al Rahman, attended his birth and as Lady Amina gave birth her blessed baby was delivered prostrating upon his tiny hands and knees, then sneezed and said, "Al Hamdulillah" -- praise be to Allah -- whereupon a voice from the heavens replied, "May Allah have mercy upon you."and the point is?
So the baby was born prostrating and said "Al Hamdulillah" and a voice from heaven replied....
and the point is?
These nonsensical stories are fabricated and embellished by misguided so called scholars who seek to magnify an ordinary human being. But they also require misguided intellectually challenged people to accept and swallow the rubbish they create.
I don't give a fluke about what you just said because I'm basing in on the Qiuran that Allah said Mohammad was an orphan
that is
Oo Ar Pe Itch Aa and In
Enjoy the stories Ahmed.
Thank you bro
Best Regards
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From pbs.org
575 Muhammad Becomes an Orphan
When Muhammad was five or six his mother took him to Yathrib, an oasis town a few hundred miles north of Mecca, to stay with relatives and visit his father's grave there. On the return journey, Amina took ill and died. She was buried in the village of Abwa on the Mecca-Medina Road. Halima, his nurse, returned to Mecca with the orphaned boy and placed him in the protection of his paternal grandfather, Abdul Al-Muttalib. In this man's care, Muhammad learned the rudiments of statecraft. Mecca was Arabia's most important pilgrimage center and Abdul Al-Muttalib its most respected leader. He controlled important pilgrimage concessions and frequently presided over Mecca's Council of Elders.
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Haha nice try
I'm asking , If someone whom his mother and father died is an orohan or not?
If you examine your words above, you'll see that your statement is not about "someone" or 'anyone'. It's straight from the alleged siras of the messenger. You're swallowing the story and regurgitating it with plenty of doubtfulness and uncertainty.
WRONG AGAIN
it is from the Quran Oben
Ahmed, you are proving yourself to be a liar. Did you not write...
If his father died before he was born as well his mother died when he was 6 years old, therefore, at least Mohammad was an orphan from the age of 6, don't you guys agree?
therefore the verse about Allah helping Mohammad when he was orphaned may be talking about the period when he was 6 years old up to marrying Khadija i guess
which I commented on above?
Show me where in the "Quran" you got the information that his "father died before he was born" and his "mother died when he 6 years old" and was "an orphan from the age of 6"'; also tell us where he married "Khadija".
Peace.
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Haha nice try
I'm asking , If someone whom his mother and father died is an orohan or not?
If you examine your words above, you'll see that your statement is not about "someone" or 'anyone'. It's straight from the alleged siras of the messenger. You're swallowing the story and regurgitating it with plenty of doubtfulness and uncertainty.
WRONG AGAIN
it is from the Quran Oben
Ahmed, you are proving yourself to be a liar. Did you not write...
If his father died before he was born as well his mother died when he was 6 years old, therefore, at least Mohammad was an orphan from the age of 6, don't you guys agree?
therefore the verse about Allah helping Mohammad when he was orphaned may be talking about the period when he was 6 years old up to marrying Khadija i guess
which I commented on above?
Show me where in the "Quran" you got the information that his "father died before he was born" and his "mother died when he 6 years old" and was "an orphan from the age of 6"'; also tell us where he married "Khadija".
Peace.
You are the confused liar here, I said he was an orphan because of the history reacords AND ALLAH CONFIRMED THAT HISTORY RECORD IN THE QURAN
that is why I will take the hisory records AS TRUE, and that is why you want to manipulate the compelling evidence in the Quran regarding the word Yatim
now I was blooody asking if some one lost his father would that be an orphan or not
answer the damn question before you accuse me of being lieing
you are the confused one here who abused Dhul Qarnin when he sugggested Pork is halal, and you are coming doing the same exact stupid thing by promoting lies, non sense and crap
one of your blunders is making alcohol allowed, exactly as Dhul Qarnin did, who you want fool?
certainly not me and I will always keep an eye on the non sense you post
please answer that question that you ran from it
how many letters the the root of the word Ankaboot have?
4 or 5
and state them please
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Oben,
another one of your blunders is suggesting to make salat naked
lol lol lol lol
another one is suggesting that other verses than 9128 & 9129 been added to the Quran
lol lol lol lol
you are so funny mate, but that is not an intended fun btw, that is a result of the ignornace you have
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You are the confused liar here, I said he was an orphan because of the history reacords AND ALLAH CONFIRMED THAT HISTORY RECORD IN THE QURAN
that is why I will take the hisory records AS TRUE, and that is why you want to manipulate the compelling evidence in the Quran regarding the word Yatim
now I was blooody asking if some one lost his father would that be an orphan or not
answer the damn question before you accuse me of being lieing
you are the confused one here who abused Dhul Qarnin when he sugggested Pork is halal, and you are coming doing the same exact stupid thing by promoting lies, non sense and crap
one of your blunders is making alcohol allowed, exactly as Dhul Qarnin did, who you want fool?
certainly not me and I will always keep an eye on the non sense you post
please answer that question that you ran from it
how many letters the the root of the word Ankaboot have?
4 or 5
and state them please
Peace.
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Peace oben
take care,
PS i was not shouting though lol
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Peace be upon you Ahmed and Truth,
As a moderator I state
Truth, please refrain from calling others Liars.
Ahmed Control yourself. Being called a Liar does not give you the green light to call people ignorant, stupid, etc etc. Your conduct continues to exceed the limits. Consider yourself warned.
Thank you Truth for ending the Argument in the peaceful manner.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed and Truth,
As a moderator I state
Truth, please refrain from calling others Liars.
Ahmed Control yourself. Being called a Liar does not give you the green light to call people ignorant, stupid, etc etc. Your conduct continues to exceed the limits. Consider yourself warned.
Thank you Truth for ending the Argument in the peaceful manner.
Bro I ws not offedned of being called a liar but I just reserved my right to responde and I used that right
I like truth, at least he keeps my mind working, he is also a country man, no hard feelings man lol
i also like you too
peace
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
What I am saying to you is to refrain from using words like "stupid" and "ignorant", wether you like the person or not, this is not acceptable.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
What I am saying to you is to refrain from using words like "stupid" and "ignorant", wether you like the person or not, this is not acceptable.
ok, can I use it if not directed on a specific member?
anyway I guess I can replace stupid with silly
how about Ignorant?
what can I replace it with mate?
how about if you give me a metaphor to use that will incline an ignornat comment, i guess using metaphors should be ok with you?
peace