Peace brother "bmbmm" PLZ ACCEPT THIS INVITATION!
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peace nazz,
you wrote"Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?" 2130
Contemporary scientists also claim the universe is expanding. The Quran also supports this;
"We constructed the sky with our hands, and we will continue to expand it." 5147
i agree with lotetree that Koran is not a science book. It is only a spiritual guide to humanity.
for comparison this is how the other scholars have translated these verses
5147- With the power and skill did We construct the Firmament for
it is We Who create the vastness of Space5147-With the power and skill did We construct the Firmament for it is We Who create the vastness of Space.
5147-We have built the heaven with might, and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof).
5147. With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof.5147-And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most
surely We are the makers of things ample.- Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth
were joined together (as one unit of Creation) before We clove
them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they
not then believe?
2130- Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
21;30-Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the
earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have
made of water everything living, will they not then believe?2130-Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
2130-Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation) before We clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
if we search into older translations of quran we dont find any explosions or expansion mentioned in them, such translations are a recent attempts to make some verses compatable with scientific discoveries. God doesnt update quran but we certainly do by giving new meanings to the verses.
According to my understanding it is the best book for spiritual/moral guideline for humane beings .peace.
- Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth
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Are you sure? Then this is not scientifically correct I think
"From their bellies comes a drink of different colors, wherein there is healing for the people..." 1668-69
Honey does not come from a bees belly.The worker bees create enzymes in their bodies which they fuse with the flowers' nectar which then turns into honey. So technically, at least half of the honey does come from the "bellies" of the worker bees.
However, some translators do not use the word "bellies". I would be interested to learn of the specific arabic words used in this verse...
(EDIT Clarification; IF the honey didn't come from the bellies of the bees, AND the word "bellies" is the correct translation of the arabic, THEN it would appear that the Quran is not entirely "accurate".)
Consequently, what use would believers in the Quran have for a "less than accurate" spiritual text? ?
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Peace "nazz",
The worker bees create enzymes in their bodies which they fuse with the flowers' nectar which then turns into honey. So technically, at least half of the honey does come from the "bellies" of the worker bees.
JK- Eaxctly so the honey, which is a result of the chemical reaction which takes place btw enzymes of the bee and the nectar, does come from the belly. It is produced there. Both nectar and enzymes mix in the belly. The Quran is not talking about the chemicals or ingredients required for honey and where they come from but where the honey comes from and that is accurate. Claims like these have been used by atheists to twist what is being implied and thus ridiculously claim the Quran to be unscientific. GOD Bless!
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Hi all,
Quran is not a science text book.
Quran, I believe is meant to awaken our souls, connect us with God, etc and with that state, its we who need to do the work and discover science.Peace!
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Peace peaceful-muslim and all. I agree.There is a vast world out there,with many examples for aquiring knowledge,and many things to do and enjoy.
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I'm not sure how many times "The Quran is not a science text book" has appeared in this thread. It would be wonderful however if people would refrain from posting this over and over, not least because that's not what was ever in question.
What does seem to be in question though is the accuracy of certain scientific facts in the Quran. So far, it would appear that that accuracy is still "intact".
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I'm not sure how many times "The Quran is not a science text book" has appeared in this thread. It would be wonderful however if people would refrain from posting this over and over, not least because that's not what was ever in question.
What does seem to be in question though is the accuracy of certain scientific facts in the Quran. So far, it would appear that that accuracy is still "intact".
Hello
I could not understand an earlier query you raised, you said if the word "bellies" appear in the Arabic verse, then the verse would not be accurate?
can you please elaborate for me?, I looked at the arabic verse word by word and I found it very accurate, forget science, let's just talk simple terms as a starter
cheers
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Peace AhmedBahgat,
Yeah sorry it was a little vague. What I meant was that, IF the honey didn't come from the bellies of the bees, AND the word "bellies" is the correct translation of the arabic, THEN there would be serious problems with the Quran's authenticity. ?
Hehe, does that make better sense?
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Peace AhmedBahgat,
Yeah sorry it was a little vague. What I meant was that, IF the honey didn't come from the bellies of the bees, AND the word "bellies" is the correct translation of the arabic, THEN there would be serious problems with the Quran's authenticity. ?
Hehe, does that make better sense?
Thanks mate
yeh it makes sense now lol
the arabic word is 100% bellies, but the other important arabic word that must be taken into account is "Yakhrog" which means "proceeding from" or "coming out from", that is why, regardless the bee's share of producing the honey, I take it as 50% as you stated and the other 50% comes from the flower, yet 100% of the final product comes out of the belly of the bee, therefore the verse is 100% accurate
peace be with you
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Hello all
there is another very important key words in th arabic verse 1669, the words are "", " " and " " and they mean as follow
"", an order to eat BUT ONLY DIRECTED TO A FEMALE BECASE OF THE Ya at the end
" ", an order to move in a direction and IS ALSO DIRECTED TO A FEMALE BECAUSE OF THE Ya at the end
" ", means Bellies and is plural for FEMALES ONLY BECAUSE od the Haa at the end
Therefore, it seems only female bees produce the honey, is this really true?
Cheers
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Therefore, it seems only female bees produce the honey, is this really true?
An interesting observation AhmedBahgat! idea Yes, it is only the female worker bees who produce the honey !
Then we surely have a scientific verse in our hand
peace be with you mate