gay people and islam
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Hi idolfree1,
For now, let me just conclude here by saying that no one plugs a plug into another plug, nor do they try plug a socket into a socket, the plug and socket were CREATED for a purpose, anything alse is a deviation. This is OBSERVABLE LAW. Thats the ultimat proof, especially over any subjective example like "they love each other", etc.
Is life all about plugs and sockets? wink
Is there more to life?Peace!
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Peace "topo",
... and it must be quite conflicting for people who vote for political party that is against gay marriage but invaded other country for oil -B but that's another story.
JK- I dont think the American public who voted against gay marriage has any intentions to invade other countries for oil. For that the US lobby, which is filled with many corrupt leaders, is responisble. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Pecefulmuslim",
Well, its common sense that brings forth the question. wink
Whats unnatural about 2 men or 2 women raising a child?
Dont single parents raise their children on their own these days? wink
R they bad parents?What about Angelina Jolie? ) She is single and she adopted 2 kids. Is she a bad parent?
Peace!
JK- I completely diagree with that. A child needs both parents, male and female, in order to develop a healthy psychology in life and this is a fact nobody can deny. A child growing up with only a mother misses somnething and one growing up with only a mother misses something. A child growing uip with two mothers or fathers would get psychic. GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you,
Is life all about plugs and sockets?
Is there more to life?Yes, there is much more to life, unfortunately however, we are talking about SEX, not the broad topic of Life. Thats the mistake that happens everytime with this topic, it gets off track with "love" and 'rights' and so forth. This is about SEX, and plugs go in sockets by DESIGN D
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Peace be upon you Peaceful Musilm,
Actually , life is about "plugs" and "sockets" now that I think about it. The God created ALL THINGS in pairs, remember?
There is a yin and yang to all things. Thats how one can become balanced.
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Hi jonny_k,
A child needs both parents, male and female, in order to develop a healthy psychology in life and this is a fact nobody can deny.
I agree. A perfect environment for a child to grow would be in the midst of 2 compatible and loving parents.
A child growing up with only a mother misses somnething and one growing up with only a mother misses something.
May be so but then again not necessarily so.
And again 'missing' something doesnt make the environment unsafe for the child to grow in. Single parents who happen to be responsible and loving bring up their kids pretty well.A child growing uip with two mothers or fathers would get psychic. GOD Bless!
This, I think is ur preconcieved notion. U should look around for truth. Check out for urself. Do children brought up by homosexuals become psychic?
Peace!
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Hi idolfree1,
Is life all about plugs and sockets?
Is there more to life?Yes, there is much more to life, unfortunately however, we are talking about SEX, not the broad topic of Life. Thats the mistake that happens everytime with this topic, it gets off track with "love" and 'rights' and so forth. This is about SEX, and plugs go in sockets by DESIGN D
O, r we? I thought we were talking of homosexuals.... as in individuals(who happen to have sexual inclination towards members of the same sex). R we discussing the sexual act itself? But I thought topo's posts have been about 'dont discriminate homosexuals, tolerance for homosexuals, and dont abuse homosexuals etc ', So, where r we discussing the methods of sex by homosexuals?
And anyways, why should we talk about their sexual act? So, u dont think its natural or normal? Fair enough. But if 2 consensual partners are biologically inclined to feel so, why are we to be concerned?
We can only get concerned if the act harms those involved or others. Does it?
O well, u might say the action itself is sinful no matter how normal or natural its for them. Why not let God decide that? He would judge every act, every belief of every soul taking into consideration every tiny factor and judge in the most fair way. So, lets leave it to Him to judge how wrong the act is.
Actually , life is about "plugs" and "sockets" now that I think about it. The God created ALL THINGS in pairs, remember?
There is a yin and yang to all things. Thats how one can become balanced.By 'plugs' and 'sockets', I think, u r implying the physical body, right? In that case, life is much more than plugs and sockets. Definitely.
Yeah, God created all things in pairs.......The same God created hermaphrodites.......... The same God created Homosexuals. So, Now what shall we do?
And who knows...Homosexuals might have yin & yang too?wink
Peace!
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Peace be upon you Joe,
Not to be rude but I think some males of the gay community can find alternative sockets for their plugs.
I was trying to find an emoticon for throwing up, but couldnt
But yes, that is true, however, when the orgasm happens, we once again see how God's design shows objectively the purpose. The sperm will never reach thier intended home in any other socket Just like plugging my toaster into the sand brickwall
lol
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But yes, that is true, however, when the orgasm happens, we once again see how God's design shows objectively the purpose. The sperm will never reach thier intended home in any other socket D
Yeah, but thats when the intention is to create a child.
Its not always about creating a child.
Even in vaginal sex, How does the sperm reach the destination when a guy uses condom? or when the female uses one?And I bet, Homosexuals are well aware that their sperm wont reach the destination by anal sex wink
Peace!
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This, I think is ur preconcieved notion. U should look around for truth. Check out for urself. Do children brought up by homosexuals become psychic?
Hi Peacefulmuslim, I agree you should look for truth. But the truth say its wrong. Do you agree? Simple question.
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Peace
Why not let God decide that?
I believe it has been done. The mathal of the coupling God has decided upon is that of a cultivating . I find there are too many examples of the society God has intended that one should still question, after reading the reading, that homosexuality is averse to the deen.
This reading has been called alfurqan, that is, the criterion, for it provides the means of distinction according to God's judgement.
Joe
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But the truth say its wrong. Do you agree? Simple question.
Truth says what is wrong? And how? Care to explain?
Peace!
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Hi bmbmm,
Common don't be sarcastic. Is homosexuality wrong as according to the Quran?
Sarcastic? ) U picked up an inappropriate reply. Coz what u quoted was my words about children becoming psychic.
Anyways, to ur specific question, I understand there is a disapproval to the homosexual act in Quran. But could it be possible that the disapproval is for those heterosexuals chosing to be homosexual? I dunno yet. Was God adressing people(the minority) who were born biologically like that? were the people in the whole town that was destroyed born as homosexuals? Does God say anything about hermaphrodites as well? I am just thinking out loud here. I have many questions with regards to homosexuality and Quran, and that will need more studying. Like I said, I dont know how this goes. But I would like to approach the subject without preconcieved notions and in an unbiased manner. I dont want to be judgemental without gaining adequate knowledge and understanding of the subject from and outside of Quran.
And moreover lets think beyond the act itself. There is more to people than their sexual orientation and sexual preferences.
Peace!
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In response to sister peacefulmuslim last comment
Allah was clear that NO HUMAN DID THIS EVIL ACT BEFORE THE PEOPLE OF LUT, I.E IT IS A HUMAN INVENTION BY SUBMITTING TO SATAN, this alone should refute those muslims who are in favour that it is genetic because there were generations before the people of Lut and no one did this evil act ever as Allah is telling us in His Quran
80- We also (sent) Lut He said to his people Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
81- For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.
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(81)
Peace
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Peace "PM",
This, I think is ur preconcieved notion. U should look around for truth. Check out for urself. Do children brought up by homosexuals become psychic?
Peace!
JK- If not psychic then their life bcomes misreable, they become drug addicts, murdeeres, looters, fraudsters , etc. Dont you see how this sexuality including premarital sex has led society to ruin. There was time my grandpa in Germany remebers where you could leave the keys in thecar and nobody would steal it. At that time hs and all this garbage were banned. Now the US is awakening and the days of Darwinism and hs would soon be over. The devil has had his 150 yrs of miserable corruption and now it's time to blow him off once and for all with reason and logic. Finally believers have the means to speak and while it is still difficult for many to do so in colleges it is becoming easier day by day as more people are coming towards GOD and i believe finally theyll also believe the Quran Alone to be the Word of GOD. GOD Bless!
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Hi AhmedBahgat,
In response to sister peacefulmuslim last comment
Allah was clear that NO HUMAN DID THIS EVIL ACT BEFORE THE PEOPLE OF LUT, I.E IT IS A HUMAN INVENTION BY SUBMITTING TO SATAN, this alone should refute those muslims who are in favour that it is genetic because there were generations before the people of Lut and no one did this evil act ever as the Allah is telling us in His QuranI wouldnt put it down as genetic but biological. That again is only a propability but a good propability.
And do 'aberration of normal' have to occur in every generation to be true? Were there hermaphrodites at the time of Lut? Any mention of them in Quran? Again, I am just thinking aloud.80- We also (sent) Lut He said to his people Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
81- For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds
Could it be that these people chose homosexuality over heterosexuality?
And thats why they are being warned?Peace!
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Peace "PM",
Sarcastic? U picked up an inappropriate reply. Coz what u quoted was my words about children becoming psychic.
Anyways, to ur specific question, I understand there is a disapproval to the homosexual act in Quran. But could it be possible that the disapproval is for those heterosexuals chosing to be homosexual? I dunno yet. Was God adressing people(the minority) who were born biologically like that? were the people in the whole town that was destroyed born as homosexuals? Does God say anything about hermaphrodites as well? I am just thinking out loud here. I have many questions with regards to homosexuality and Quran, and that will need more studying. Like I said, I dont know how this goes. But I would like to approach the subject without preconcieved notions and in an unbiased manner. I dont want to be judgemental without gaining adequate knowledge and understanding of the subject from and outside of Quran.
And moreover lets think beyond the act itself. There is more to people than their sexual orientation and sexual preferences.
Peace!
JK- I believe that inside your heart you know that hs is totally wrong. Once a homo came into the clinic of my mom here in germany to get a treatement(not related to hs). My mom asked him whether he believed deep in his heart whether what he was doing is right or wrong and he answered that he felt it was wrong. We could also use the lie detector test on homos. Attach them to this device and ask them the same qs my mom asked and then we may get a step further. Anyways i gave you the statistics of how harmful hs is to the society as a whole and at least that should have awakened you. The Quran is clearly against hs and it doesnt talk about those whor born in that way or not SINCE NO ONES BORN A HOMO. This garbage is ONLY UTTERED BY HOMOS THEMSELVES AND THOSE PAID TO SUPPORT THEIR AGENDA. I, JONNY K, WAS ABOUT TO BECOME A HOMO TOO, YOU KNOW and it wasnt because i was born with that. But the feelings came up. I felt that it was satan. I even got zoophile thoughts you know, the feelings came up and i was seeking excuses from Quran to do it but deep in my heart i knew THAT THESE WERE GARBAGE SATNIC THOUGHTS and i can only thank GOD for guiding my rightly and not falling into this trap. GOD Bless!