Crescent And Star?

JHamza

Should Muslims use this symbol or any symbol of their religion?
The reason I ask is that Ive read the crescent was an ancient symbol of the Arab goddess allat, and the star was a symbol of another god..Are these stories true or just made up lies to discredit the symbols of Islam?

unknownuser

Should Muslims use this symbol or any symbol of their religion?
The reason I ask is that Ive read the crescent was an ancient symbol of the Arab goddess allat, and the star was a symbol of another god..Are these stories true or just made up lies to discredit the symbols of Islam?

OMG!!! there is symbols of Islam? on what page in the manual can i find a list of them?

seriously tho. The claim that it is an invention by a certain pesky group of secterians located in Mecca saudi arabia, seems perfectly valid. You have Alat the moon godess (the cresent) and you have al uzza (venus, the morning star). But ofcourse this could be purely a coincidence. I mean afterall they have the black cube of saturn, the footprints of Abraham, the holy water of zamzam, satan himself tied to a pole...ok I made that one up, but the image here being that I dont really care if its a genuine symbol of islam or not. Anything comming out of mecca that isnt desert sand, is not going to have my trust for a while to be.

jankren

I thought Crescent and Star actually represent the gods of pre-islamic turks who were nature worshippers. As ottoman empire grew the symbol was spread all over the muslim world.

I also heard the Crescent symbol was associated with Umar's dream.

As far as I know during the time of Muhammad, muslims only use plain colored banners like black, white, or green without any symbol on it. wink

unknownuser

I thought Crescent and Star actually represent the gods of pre-islamic turks who were nature worshippers. As ottoman empire grew the symbol was spread all over the muslim world.

I also heard the Crescent symbol was associated with Umar's dream.

As far as I know during the time of Muhammad, muslims only use plain colored banners like black, white, or green without any symbol on it. wink

Black is formal, conventional, and dignified. In ancient Egypt, it symbolised night, death, and magic; it was the opposite of green, the colour of life.
White is precise, critical, and sincere. In Egypt, it symbolised purity, femininity, and the Moon, contrasting with the masculine red.

http//www.skyscript.co.uk/colour.html

Even in the preislamic times green was associated with venus (because of its green glow obviously), the moon was white and saturn was black (altho later this place was taken by mercury)

PostPosted Mon Feb 06, 2006 314 am Post subject Hola
I thought Crescent and Star actually represent the gods of pre-islamic turks who were nature worshippers

that too. REmember that many of the dietys of old had the same characteristics with different names. Bridgit of the druids was Minerva of rome, Alat is Diana etc. But universally the planets, their meaning in theology and color system hasnt changed much since the babylonians figured out that "the gods" who are "in heaven" isnt eyes glowing in the sky but planetary bodies.

There is a beutyfull refference in the Quran in the story of Noah. Listen to what god's The God is warning us about, and you will find that you can trace them all the way up to modern times, with the same names and or symbols.

I have heard a good argument about the cresent being the cresent of venus, but to know about this requires that you study the xtian "lucifer". The star that rises before the comming of the sun. If you go out at 4 in the morning and look at the nightsky, there as a bright spot you will see venus, showing the comming of God's sun. The black cubes are altso associated with sun worship, from Babylon and Kemet, so there is little doubt that the "islamic" flag, if anything is the flag of the people of Noah.

khadija1

I don't know too much about this, but I did read that the color green (which seems prominent on flags and such) was the prophet's "favorite color".

unknownuser

I don't know too much about this, but I did read that the color green (which seems prominent on flags and such) was the prophet's "favorite color".

then progress to ask yourself, why the hadeeth record "the prophet" (from a venus worshipping society) as having the favorite color green.

JHamza

Salaams all,
Thanks for the replys,so they are diffenitely pagan in origin..then that leaves me with the question..

Does Allah state any where in the Quran that its a sin to take or use things of pagan origin(not other gods or idols),for religious or non religous use????