salat requires bowing down and prostration
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Peace be upon you,
"bow and prostrate" are metaphors for submitting and hearing and obeying.
Salaa it the means of PROGRAMMING our Nafs(spirits/minds)
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Hi agentxxx,
i started perfoming salat five times a day few months back, in the begining it was a sort of satisfaction for me, but slowly i started getting a bit confused, repeating the same words/actions five times a day without even knowing the meanings of what I was saying was a bit undigestable/illogical for me, so after a month or so i stopped praying.
i still dont understand why Allah want us to bow and prostrate?Most of the words that are recited in ritual salaat are Quranic verses. So, U can look up their meanings. There is no point uttering stuff that we dont understand. The idea should be to say what we mean, from our hearts.
When I was young, I used to pray without understanding too and it made no sense to me. Then I decided to find out the meaning of all of that's said in salaat. It has made much sense from then on.(I have skipped darood-sharif though).Peace!
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Peace be upon you,
I was wondering, what exactly do you mean with 'programming'?
I mean the process of "burning" a habit into your subconcious so that you change your behavior. Just like in school how you use repitition to "burn" an answer to a question in your subconscious so that when you call on it the subconscious will bring it to your awareness. Just like how many of us can remember the phone number of thier home they grew up in.
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I mean the process of "burning" a habit into your subconcious so that you change your behavior. Just like in school how you use repitition to "burn" an answer to a question in your subconscious so that when you call on it the subconscious will bring it to your awareness. Just like how many of us can remember the phone number of thier home they grew up in.
Peace idolfree1
According to your understing of "salat", it can be practice at any hour of the day than Can you tell me why the salat is prescribed at hours determined in particular the morning and the evening?
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I mean the process of "burning" a habit into your subconcious so that you change your behavior. Just like in school how you use repitition to "burn" an answer to a question in your subconscious so that when you call on it the subconscious will bring it to your awareness. Just like how many of us can remember the phone number of thier home they grew up in.
Peace idolfree1
According to your understing of "salat", it can be practice at any hour of the day than Can you tell me why the salat is prescribed at hours determined in particular the morning and the evening?
Peace,
There are several idioms in the reading which taken literally would imply TWO elements but actually mean much more.
Examples...
EAST & WEST (eg. 7040) - does not mean just these two directions, but all the directions between them.
SUMMER AND WINTER (eg. 1062) - means throughout the year; ie all seasons.
HEAVENS AND THE EARTH (eg. 2255) - does not mean just the sky and earth but every space and body in the universe including other planets for example.
TWO ENDS OF THE DAY (11114) - can mean and implies throughout the day continuously.
These must be understood as idiomatic phrases. There are many other idioms in the reading that commonly lead to difficulties in extracting the correct meaning.
Regards.
idiom |dm|
nouna group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., rain cats and dogs, see the light).
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Peace,
There are several idioms in the reading which taken literally would imply TWO elements but actually mean much more.
Examples...
EAST & WEST (eg. 7040) - does not mean just these two directions, but all the directions between them.
SUMMER AND WINTER (eg. 1062) - means throughout the year; ie all seasons.
HEAVENS AND THE EARTH (eg. 2255) - does not mean just the sky and earth but every space and body in the universe including other planets for example.
TWO ENDS OF THE DAY (11114) - can mean and implies throughout the day continuously.
These must be understood as idiomatic phrases. There are many other idioms in the reading that commonly lead to difficulties in extracting the correct meaning.
Regards.
idiom |dm|
nouna group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., rain cats and dogs, see the light).
Peace truth
thanks for participation. I understand your position. Can you translate with the light of idiom which you refer.
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Peace be upon you Bilal,
According to your understing of "salat", it can be practice at any hour of the day than Can you tell me why the salat is prescribed at hours determined in particular the morning and the evening?
Programming deals with the IMPREGNATION of the spirit(nafs) by the Will. I will give you the metaphor of the man and woman. The man (the will) can give seed at any time. The woman(spirit/nafs) is based on a CYCLE, and cannot always except the seed. But you already know this, you know there is something that you say "this time I'm gonna do it", but you don't. Thats because there are TIMES when the "nafs" is more receptive than others.
The merging of will and spirit (day and night) are the times given to us for salaat. The nighttime is for sleeping and the daytime we have other duties.
We need a balance between wakefulness and sleep to get the optimal receptive mode.So yes, we can do this at any time, but its bes to obey the cycles for optimal performance, just like the farmer uses cycles to grow food.
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Peace be upon you Truth,
I disagree with the idiomatic understanding because there is a verse tha talks about private times which states that the first one is before dawn salaat and the last one is after dusk salaat.
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Peace be upon you Bilal,
Programming deals with the IMPREGNATION of the spirit(nafs) by the Will. I will give you the metaphor of the man and woman. The man (the will) can give seed at any time. The woman(spirit/nafs) is based on a CYCLE, and cannot always except the seed. But you already know this, you know there is something that you say "this time I'm gonna do it", but you don't. Thats because there are TIMES when the "nafs" is more receptive than others.
The merging of will and spirit (day and night) are the times given to us for salaat. The nighttime is for sleeping and the daytime we have other duties.
We need a balance between wakefulness and sleep to get the optimal receptive mode.So yes, we can do this at any time, but its bes to obey the cycles for optimal performance, just like the farmer uses cycles to grow food.
Peace
For you
Salat fajr = programming between the fact of to find energy necessary to start a new day and the arrival of the paddle which marks the transition between the end night and the beginning day.
Salat 'Icha = programming between the arrival of the tiredness which announces fallen the night and thus the suitable moment to rest by the sleep.
I tested of summary what I have understand. tell me if I am mistaken
Salat 'Asr can means rest of after midday but there isn't a programming with the night or the day. How do you explain that?
Many verses seem to contradict the idea that the night is exclusiv made to
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Peace be upon you,
Salat fajr = programming between the fact of to find energy necessary to start a new day and the arrival of the paddle which marks the transition between the end night and the beginning day.
Paddle? I dont understand what you wrote.
Salat 'Icha = programming between the arrival of the tiredness which announces fallen the night and thus the suitable moment to rest by the sleep.
Please elaborate more for me, I am not understanding your position.
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tested of summary what I have understand. tell me if I am mistakenSalat 'Asr can means rest of after midday but there isn't a programming with the night or the day. How do you explain that?
What is salat asr? All I see is fajr and isha, where are you getting "asr"?
Many verses seem to contradict the idea that the night is exclusiv made to
sleep. and others...(2547) And He is who made/put for you the night (as) a cover/dress, and the sleep (for) rest/sleep , and He made/put the daytime (for) revival .
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Paddle? I dont understand what you wrote.
Sorry, it's not paddle but dawn
Sorry i will try to explain what I understand of your position about salat.
Salat ' Icha is the fact for a human to relax the body and spirit by the sleep at the favourable time i.e. in harmony with the darkness of the night in order to make a final result of the day and preparing the arrival of the dawn.
Salat Fajr is the fact for a human to begin the activity at the same moment as the arrival of the dawn. Ideal moment to harmonize the waking body and spirit with daylight announcing the beginning of a new day.
Does it more clear?
What is salat asr? All I see is fajr and isha, where are you getting "asr"?
Sorry I would say salat of middle
(2547) And He is who made/put for you the night (as) a cover/dress, and the sleep (for) rest/sleep , and He made/put the daytime (for) revival .
the "Muhsiniin" are definite here
They used to sleep but little of the night,
show that it's important for us to sleep at night whearas seems to show the opposite. Don't you see a contradiction?
Or maybe my understing is bad.
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peace,
there is no salat al asr in quran, actually it's a title of a sura.
but there is fajr, ichaa and wusta
lk
Peace
I can find four times of salat (can't post the verses right now, sorry)
the two ends of the day
in the middle of the day
in the nightand can't find an "asr" either. I thought that maybe there is today an "asr" prayer because it says "And commit the prayers, especially the one in the middle", so there has to be one in the middle since four doesn't have a middle. So maybe for that they invented a new one which is in the middle... hmm
I'll post the Verses tomorrow, God willing.
Regards
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Peace be upon you Bilal,
So you are saying that dawn and dusk salaat are just saying its time to get up and go to sleep?
They used to sleep but little of the night,
show that it's important for us to sleep at night whearas seems to show the opposite. Don't you see a contradiction?
Yes, but its resolved in the fact that nightime is a cover for sleep, meaning we should do so during that time, but there are also other spiritual things to be done.
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Nelke, In froher Erwartung auf Deine private Mail.... )
peace,
there is no salat al asr in quran, actually it's a title of a sura.
but there is fajr, ichaa and wusta
lk
Peace
I can find four times of salat (can't post the verses right now, sorry)
the two ends of the day
in the middle of the day
in the nightand can't find an "asr" either. I thought that maybe there is today an "asr" prayer because it says "And commit the prayers, especially the one in the middle", so there has to be one in the middle since four doesn't have a middle. So maybe for that they invented a new one which is in the middle... hmm
I'll post the Verses tomorrow, God willing.
Regards
wardaHere we go. Don't know if it still matters... but anyway, here are the four times of prayer, I found
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(15 minutes later...)
lol lol ok, ok, while looking the verses up I found out that there are two ayas I always understood them wrong actually. So I agree with you guys that there are three times of Salat
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YUSUFALI And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night For those things, that are good remove those that are evil Be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord)
PICKTHAL Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night. Lo! good deeds annul ill-deeds. This is reminder for the mindful.
SHAKIR And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds this is a reminder to the mindful.017.078
YUSUFALI Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.
PICKTHAL Establish worship at the going down of the sun until the dark of night, and (the recital of) the Qur'an at dawn. Lo! (the recital of) the Qur'an at dawn is ever witnessed.
SHAKIR Keep up prayer from the declining of the sun till the darkness of the night and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed.Regards
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Peace be upon you Bilal,
So you are saying that dawn and dusk salaat are just saying its time to get up and go to sleep?Peace idolfree1
I just try to understand your point of view of salat because your concept of programming with the time is not clear for me.