gay people and islam
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Peace peaceful muslim and all. Thanks peacefulmuslim for your balanced,honest and mature,last two posts. Im glad ive found im not the only one that felt uncomfortable with certain things. Anyway no bad feelings or disrespect to anyone,all you guys are my brothers and sisters in humanity.
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Peace
And if u did notice, this topic wasnt really about Quran and homosexuality but about homosexuality.
The title of this thread is "gay people and islam" and the topic was originally about the stance of islam on homosexuality.
So tell me, how does free-minds work?
Please see the homepage at http//free-minds.org/
Hmm, I dont know why I foolishly poured out my heart here oops
I'd say you need to do some personal investigation as to why to did so.
Can there be discusion based on 'understanding, reasoning, logic, thinking, analysing, gaining knowledge to realise truth/reality 'on issues independent of what we think Quran says ?
Yes.
Joe
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Peace
Im glad ive found im not the only one that felt uncomfortable with certain things.
It was not my intent to be overbearing or to make anyone uncomfortable. There are some things, such as the personal feelings of others, which are not in my control. If anything I apologize for my being unclear.
Back to the topic now. Thanks.
Joe
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Peace,
Can there be discusion based on 'understanding, reasoning, logic, thinking, analysing, gaining knowledge to realise truth/reality 'on issues independent of what we think Quran says ?
A very practical, profound and legit question, peacefulmuslim. Many are found disturbingly narrow/close-minded and religiously orchestrated.
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Peace be upon you,
But homosexuality is observed in the Animal World. Why? We have no answer yet.
Sure we do. Lust, as with all emotions, are the ANIMAL NATURE within you. Emotion and ANIMATION are the same thing (energy in motion).
This is why humans are compared to animals in "Koran" when they are called "dumb as cattle" or like "apes and swine", or like "parrots" etc.
Animals lick each other butts and other kinds of behavior, we cannot take the animals as our guide to correct behavior.
That was a good one bro, thanks lol
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Peace be upon you,
The only problem here comes emotions leading your understanding. The process is to look objectively at an issue, look at form and function, then your emotion should follow that, not before that.
Anyway, lets take the most extreme example of this and see how it plays out
100% of people accept heterosexuality
100% of people accept homosexuality
Tell me the outcome of both.
I am not discussing how kind a person is, how much in "love" a person is, I am talking about he sex act.
if 100% accept homosexuality then then humanity will be extinct soon
peace
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Peace nabi and all. Is the reading the only way to morality? A person could make the reading fit whatever they wanted it to given the right circumstances,eg follow allah and the prophet meaning follow the sunnah.
I am finding this obsession for evidence from the quran similiar to 'we need hadith to understand islam'. What is the role of our minds,our experiences,our consciences? is this quran an idol?How do i know to put food in my mouth from the quran? Dont you think searching for everything in the quran(rather than some basic principles) is a little like blind following of a 1400 year old collection of facts?Where is the rocket science,tv,test-tube babies etc,etc. in the quran?(Explicitly not in obscure form)
Peace all.Peace mate
do you mind if I ask
are you a muslim, or just a quran reading hobbiest?
cheers
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I'm very impressed indeed
the homosexuals avtivist (Homo or not) are working really hard to spread evil
the day will come when you stand in front of Allah and I dare you say the BS you say now lol
peace to all
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Hi Nabi,
This is a quranic forum. Understand?
I thought this was 'God alone'' forum. Is it Quran alone?
Peace!
Peace sister
I applaude you for that note sister, now God alone said that homos will burn in Hell
thank you
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Peace nabi and all. The word zawj in arabic can mean partners,equal,counterpart. It can be two males,two females or a male and a female. Now apply this understanding to surah 30 verse 21. where it states ;' it is from allahs signs that he created zawj(partners,equals,counterparts) that you may live peacefully with them(obviously with consent) and he has put love and mercy between the partners,in this there is a sign for those who think deeply'. Now does this not apply to faithful,commited,homosexual relationships as well as hetrosexual ones too? By the way the arabic for nafs is feminine so does this mean that all creatures also have a feminine side too? Or that all men are feminine? Or that if we are created from a single nafs(surah 4;1)
then we are not created from adam(as he is male) but from a female.(adams partner?) If you delve deeper you are opening up a pandoras box of ideas.(which i hope you are strong enough to cope with-and i mean that sincerely joe). Pluralism and open-mindedness can lead to great new insights.
Peace all.Mate
what you say is a load of non sense and you are doing satan a great favour, good on you mate
Verse 4;1 clearly stated that He created one nafs, then created its pair, then from the two came many men and women
now if you can prove to me that a woman and woman can bring many men and women, or a man and man can bring many men and women, then you have a bloody point, other than that it is a case of severe manipulation by an ignornat, sorry
peace be with you
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Life is all about peace and understanding. I guess we ought to remember
Hello sister
while I agree with your statement above, I believe you missed the most important thing about life which is the belief in Allah and worshipping Him, that is what we were created for
now, part of worshipping Him is to be peaceful and understanding of course
The Quran clearly said that Allah only created the Humans and Jinns but to worship Him
To worship God, is not only bowing to him a few times a day while implementing the feel good religion attitude, you must strive and work hard to obey everything He said in the Quran and that is very hard to do indeed
peace
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Peace nabi. I appreciate your reply and i apologise if i said anything unwarranted or in a bad tone.
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peace enquirer
what's the matter, can't you face a tough question?
now can you answer sincerely please
i don't mind being asked this question
thanks
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Peace ahmedbhaghat and all. If you define muslim as one who tries to be respectful and peaceful with all life,then yes i am a muslim. If you define a muslim as one that believes in the perfection of the quran(i thought only god was perfect in islam) and the perfection,all-powerful nature of one supreme all-knowing god,then no i am not.
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Peace ahmedbhaghat and all. If you define muslim as one who tries to be respectful and peaceful with all life,then yes i am a muslim. If you define a muslim as one that believes in the perfection of the quran(i thought only god was perfect in islam) and the perfection,all-powerful nature of one supreme all-knowing god,then no i am not.
Peace.Thanks mate
no mate the Muslim is defined as follow and according to the Quran
A muslim as any human who submitt willingly to Allah
would that mean according to the avibe definition that you are not?
peace be with you
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Peace ahmedbhaghat and all. I didnt quite understand your question,but i will try to answer what i understood of it. If a muslim is one who submits to a supreme,all-knowing,all powerful,single creator who has revealed a perfect,absolute book(quran) then no,i am not one. But if a muslim is a person who respects all life,tries to promote peace and learning,and tries to reduce suffering within his own limited capacity and intellect; then i am a muslim. Hope this answers your question.
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Peace ahmedbhaghat and all. I didnt quite understand your question,but i will try to answer what i understood of it. If a muslim is one who submits to a supreme,all-knowing,all powerful,single creator who has revealed a perfect,absolute book(quran) then no,i am not one. But if a muslim is a person who respects all life,tries to promote peace and learning,and tries to reduce suffering within his own limited capacity and intellect; then i am a muslim. Hope this answers your question.
Peace all.sorry mate, there was some typos but it is fixed now, damn when I type quick without looking, but it seems you manged to understand my question
ok bro under the definition of the Quran of being a muslim, you admitted of not being one
but under the definition you made up you think you are a mulsim, which is very confusing bro,
to follow the religion you must follow what it says not what you say
peace be with you
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double post!
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Peace elke. Beautifully expressed.