Correct Translation of 5:38-Please?
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I believe that Rashad Khalifa was a Native Arab Speaker and he translates differently and so is Layth and he too I think translates it as mark their hands. Why is this?
salam.
rashad equates 538 with a part of the story of joseph where the women injure their hands, while layth equates 538 with the part of the story where the brother of joseph is to be punished for theft ,according to the law of the land at that time . -
Hola,
Native Arab Speaker -)
Peace
yes 538 means literally to cut off the hand
peaceI believe that Rashad Khalifa was a Native Arab Speaker and he translates differently and so is Layth and he too I think translates it as mark their hands. Why is this?
Regards,
LOL
but your example (R K ) is nothing but a d Dajjal
regarding why he translated like this, I guess he had some hidden agendas
regards
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LOL
but your example (R K ) is nothing but a d Dajjal..erm roll
regarding why he translated like this, I guess he had some hidden agendas
And Layth and Mr. Edip Edip Yuksel?... are they Dajjal too wink
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LOL
but your example (R K ) is nothing but a d Dajjal..erm roll
regarding why he translated like this, I guess he had some hidden agendas
And Layth and Mr. Edip Edip Yuksel?... are they Dajjal too wink
Regards,
i don't really know, Allah only knows, but here is spmething i know, at least they didn't claim to be messengers but he did lol
regards
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Salam
I don't think Rashad Khalifa interpeted like this, I believe his followers changed his translation after his departure
peace
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i don't really know, Allah only knows, but here is spmething i know, at least they didn't claim to be messengers but he did lol
regardsBut Mr. Edip and Layth translated it very differently. You say cut off hands and they translate it as mark hands or confiscate their belongings. If it is CLEAR ARABIC why so different translate - whats going on?
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i don't really know, Allah only knows, but here is spmething i know, at least they didn't claim to be messengers but he did lol
regardsBut Mr. Edip and Layth translated it very differently. You say cut off hands and they translate it as mark hands or confiscate their belongings. If it is CLEAR ARABIC why so different translate - whats going on?
Regards,
well, if they speak arabic then I'm sure they will admit that it means literally to cut off the hand, and if you look at my first comment here you will see that I used the word lietrally, therefore to answer your question, Why they did that?, the answer is simply they didn't translate it literally
that is what is going on
regards
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So it literally means to cut off the hands,then thats how it should be translated....end of story,no personal interpretations needed..besides what if Allah says to cut off the hands and thats what he meant,then I say NO NO NO its just symbolic and translate it like what I THINK it should mean...that would be like me saying I KNOW BETTER than God..thats dangerous..imo..
Im not referring to Arabic words with more than one meaning here,but if a word has one meaning, it should be left that way,not candy coated to what we think it should mean. -
Peace JHamza
now that you have chosen one of the translations as the true one, what will you do? I mean, what's your next step, or why did you want to know the true translation?
So it literally means to cut off the hands,then thats how it should be translated....
why do you think just the literal is the way it should be translated? -- this last is a question about language not about religion.
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Peace JHamza
now that you have chosen one of the translations as the true one, what will you do? I mean, what's your next step, or why did you want to know the true translation?
So it literally means to cut off the hands,then thats how it should be translated....
why do you think just the literal is the way it should be translated? -- this last is a question about language not about religion.
Peace Elena,
What do you mean why do I want to know the true translation? Either we accept the true meaning/intent of God or we reject it for a meaning that we prefer..whats difficult to understand there?
I Dont think its alright to cut someones hands off for theft,but if thats what Allah means then who am I to question Him,thats apart of submission,Submitting to the Will of Allah.Now if it doesnt mean that and its just a wrong translation then fine give me proof that it means something different,if the WORDS Allah chose literally meant a dog when it was revealed then we have no right to say its just metaphor and means a something else just because we today use it differently,we have to stay with the meanings they meant when Allah gave them to Muhammad,not what we changed them to mean today or 50 yrs after Muhammad.Example Arabs decided to call a pagan site Mecca,and said this was where sos and so happened,well does that change the truth as Allah said,did the events really happen where the Arabs claim or where Allah says they did... -
What do you mean why do I want to know the true translation? Either we accept the true meaning/intent of God or we reject it for a meaning that we prefer..whats difficult to understand there?
I was wondering if now that you have chosen a meaning/intent of God you will help to implement that punishment or any other action, not only believing that meaning. Feel free to not answer the question, of course.Now if it doesnt mean that and its just a wrong translation then fine give me proof that it means something different
I don't know the meaning. -
well, if they speak arabic then I'm sure they will admit that it means literally to cut off the hand, and if you look at my first comment here you will see that I used the word lietrally, therefore to answer your question, Why they did that?, the answer is simply they didn't translate it literally
that is what is going on
regardsAnd how do you translate it?
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I was wondering if now that you have chosen a meaning/intent of God you will help to implement that punishment or any other action, not only believing that meaning. Feel free to not answer the question, of course.
Now if it doesnt mean that and its just a wrong translation then fine give me proof that it means something different
I don't know the meaning.Peace Sister Elena,
Hmm well since I am not the Law,No I would not be inclined to enforce it personally,I believe that should be left to the right officials,but only after the theft is proven as fact but if the person is truly remorseful and repents then they should be forgiven..But I do think that if they commit theft a second time then the law should be inforced after the proper guidelines are done.
If I am proven wrong in my belief I WILL submit to the truth.When you find out the TRUE Meaning,let me know..
Peace
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Hmm well since I am not the Law,No I would not be inclined to enforce it personally,I believe that should be left to the right officials,but only after the theft is proven as fact but if the person is truly remorseful and repents then they should be forgiven..But I do think that if they commit theft a second time then the law should be inforced after the proper guidelines are done.
exactly .
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well, if they speak arabic then I'm sure they will admit that it means literally to cut off the hand, and if you look at my first comment here you will see that I used the word lietrally, therefore to answer your question, Why they did that?, the answer is simply they didn't translate it literally
that is what is going on
regardsAnd how do you translate it?
Regards,
I take most of the Quran literally, this way I will certainly avoide conjectures
I will translate it like this, to cut off the hand
regards
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I take most of the Quran literally, this way I will certainly avoide conjectures
I will translate it like this, to cut off the hand
regards
By taking languages literally, one loses a great deal of its actual meaning and this applies to all languages.
Why is it that you take the Koranic arabic for an exception?
I say you rather misunderstand even more as you tend to translate literally. -
salaam all
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538
Khalifa
The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
Yusuf Ali
As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands a punishment by way of example, from God, for their crime and God is Exalted in power.
Pickthal
As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Shakir
And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Sher Ali
And as for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut of their hands in retribution of their offence as an exemplary punishment from Allah. And Allah is Mighty, Wise.
"Progressive Muslims"
The male thief, and the female thief, you shall confiscate their belongings as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as a deterrent from God. God is Almighty, Wise.As someone who knowa 0 arabic the above is very confusing. Surely the words for cut, mark and confiscate must be very different. If it is the case(big assumption on my part) then surely the translation must reflect the literal translation and not the one which sounds comfortable in the 21st century. Some input from arabic speakers who disagree with Ahmed would be helpful. Although so far no one has given any logical explanation for mark or confiscate.
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Although so far no one has given any logical explanation for mark or confiscate.
Are you sure?
This gets repeated a lot, but here it is again please use the search function at the top.
To Layth/Zenje cant we have this in big/clear writing somewhere on the forum page?
